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Transmeta set to Introduce Crusoe Processor

senthilp sent us a nice article about Transmeta which basically wraps up all the loose ends hanging out, and sums up the leading speculation on what transmeta will announce. The officail launch date for Crusoe is Jan 19 (next wed) and Chris DiBona is gonna be there with a richochet on his laptop and hopefully broadcast to IRC what is going down. So anyway, we've only got a few days left to speculate: the leading rumor is a VLIW processor which will be demonstrated in some sort of PDA or Handheld running Linux. But speculation is running rampant: I've heard that they were working on a superior version of The Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, and before that it was a carbon dioxide fueled teleportation device so who knows. grimsaado sent us details on the Crusoe in another story with slightly more realistic speculation.

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  1. Yawn by cdlu · · Score: 3

    Tell us when the chip actually does come out instead of contributing to the hype around it.

    Funny, though, something tells me it won't replace my 486 cpu anyway... :)
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  2. Some further speculation by jd · · Score: 5
    • The patents would not restrict the Crusoe processor to just doing 80x86 instructions.
    • Given the extensive background in multimedia of some of it's employees, it's likely to be a tad more powerful than a standard palm-top processor.
    • Assuming that Ditzel's work in extreme-end, unconventional technology is the least-bit relevent, it's not impossible that he's also looked at wafer-scale architecture, transputer-style parallel-processing, and other fringe designs that are technically superior but were too far ahead of their times to be really -used-.
    • Ditzel is going to be the most listened-to man on the face of the planet, on Wednesday.
    • Chances are, anything Transmeta have made will be faster than equivalent Intel processors, even if they used valves and charge-carrying slugs.
    • "Unconventional", given the presence of Linus, means what it says. Don't expect a clone of an existing device.
    • Any group that can maintain that level of security for as long as they have are no amateurs. Even if they only release a bowl of petunias and a surprised-looking Sperm Whale, count me as being significantly impressed by what -hasn't- happened. They haven't even done official "unofficial" leaks, to boost outside interest. This is a company driven by engineers, not the marketing division.
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    1. Re:Some further speculation by GregWebb · · Score: 3
      "Unconventional", given the presence of Linus, means what it says. Don't expect a clone of an existing device.
      As with Linux, his other major work, you mean?

      The guy's obviously a very good programmer and Transmeta having hired him suggests he knows what he's doing at a hardware level, too, even if he's just been designing microcode or abstraction layers. But to say that his presence makes an unconventional result a near certainty is crazy. How do we know this guy? Because he wrote a Unix clone.

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  3. Business strategy: employ famous people by Stephen · · Score: 3

    At the risk of stating the obvious, employing Torvalds was the best move Transmeta could have made. How many millions must he be worth to them in free advertising, before they even have a product?

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  4. Why worry about x86? by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 3
    The thing that sets off my "bogometer" when comments connect together Crusoe, Linux, and IA-32 Emulation is the fact that there shouldn't be a need to do IA-32 emulation if one is running Linux.

    Given a GCC code generator for "native Crusoe," or whatever they'd call the not-involving-emulation instrution set, it ought to be more sensible to run Linux natively on the chip, as that should be faster and more efficient since it takes direct advantage of the CPU's facilities.

    That can be made more adamant if we're talking about PDA applications where it's likely that applications are "embedded" and where it's pretty certain that source code to the applications would be available.

    If you look at some of the major proprietary applications, it's still the case that they may be recompiled for alternative architectures. Applixware is available for Alpha as well as IA-32. Mozilla is getting deployed on various architectures. StarOffice has been available for PPC. That may not represent an exhaustive list, but a PDA is not likely to have an exhaustive set of software installed on it.

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    1. Re:Why worry about x86? by Inoshiro · · Score: 3

      "Given a GCC code generator for "native Crusoe," or whatever they'd call the not-involving-emulation instrution set, it ought to be more sensible to run Linux natively on the chip, as that should be faster and more efficient since it takes direct advantage of the CPU's facilities."

      This put me in mind of how Apple migrated people from the 68k to the PPC architecture. If you think about it, it's entirely possible now that we could go and, over time, migrate our x86 ISA applications to a perhaps better VLIW or other ISA....

      This is very, very much a change from the everyday.

      An ISA architectural shift like this would immediately make something like the K7 an expensive paperweight, in terms of the technology it represents. Win2k in VLIW for a cool new proc? It might not happen. But if I can get a proc that runs Linux ultra, ultra fast, and which has a cool software emulation mode for x86 apps.... Folks, we have a winner!!!

      Heck, if this chip has been architected correctly, it'd be very, very simple for Linux/Cruseo to start up a x86 emulation "virtual processor" using the processor's own features, and make something like VMware another piece of expensive legacy-ware. There are just so many possibilities! :-)

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  5. One thing we do know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    ... is that whatever it does, it uses small amounts of screaming-fast DRAM. Transmeta has been pretty busy in the DDR SDRAM standards process, and their focus has always been on single-bank-to-controller applications at insane speeds (like 400 MHz!)

  6. THIS IS WHAT TRANSMETA IS DOING (MODERATE UP PLS) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    Based on what I've heard from inside sources: the FT article is dead on the mark.

    Listen to the logic: there are processors designed from the ground up for high-powered workstations (Intel Itanium, Sun SPARC, DEC Alpha).

    There are processors designed from the ground up for personal computers: AMD Athlon, Intel PIII/Celeron, etc.

    There are processors designed from the ground up for embedded computing: StrongARM, MAJC, etc.

    Now, please, name me one processor designed from the ground up intended for laptops.

    You can't, can you? Intel and AMD retrofit their desktop processors for laptops. Every other component is now specially designed for laptops - think IBM harddrives, LCD displays, etc, etc. The end result is that the CPU is the (physically) biggest item on a laptop MB and it consumes the most power.

    Transmeta Crusoe, the first processor x86-compatible processor designed specifically for the laptop, will allow laptops to be smaller, lighter and run for longer all with less battery power.

    The logic is infalliable. The market is untapped. If their processors are fast enough, in 2 years Transmeta may be the Intel of laptops CPUs.

  7. unspecified partner by nevets · · Score: 4


    I submitted this too, but someone beat me to it ;^)

    A couple of days ago, a friend of mine that works for IBM told me that he is working on a project with Transmeta. He said even Linus Torvalds is working on this project. When I asked him what he was doing, he told me "cool stuff" with a smile. He is also under NDA, so he couldn't give me any more information but it will all be release to the public soon. With the article stating "unspecified partner", putting 2 and 2 together, is this partner IBM?

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  8. You heard it here first by dbrutus · · Score: 3

    They aren't looking to just go after Intel but rather will have a surprise announcement of Multi processor Crusoes being launched by Apple running OS X server and emulating PPC faster than Motorola can make the chips run. 800 Mhz dual processor boxes running a *BSD variant that is easier to administer and cheaper than equivalent NT boxen (no CALs guarantee a price advantage).

    The tip offs? IBM, a Motorola rival producer of PPC chips is producing the Crusoe but IBM's own PPC chips would compete with Crusoe if it were truly an embedded only chip. There's no advantage for IBM to do that.

    Apple also plays into this with its stealth update of Mac OS X server to 1.2. With delays on other fronts (Pismo, the P7, Mystic) it would have been a natural to hype the upgrade to their server software at MacWorld SF but they didn't go for it. The stock price was hammered because of the lack of news.

    A Transmeta tie in would give Transmeta an instant market for chips in a controlled hardware platform that has a good reputation for quality. This would ease Apple's supply problems for chips since they would suddenly be able to go to Crusoe whenever Motorola fell down on the job. It would also reinvigorate Apple's stock price by showing a business strategy that's been assembled piece by piece for the past year+, hidden in plain sight. It's just the sort of 180 degree coming from nowhere gotcha that Steve Jobs would love.

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