I started getting involved in kernel development around 2003. I remember it was a very toxic environment even then. There was constant flame wars, and I swear, people were having contests about who could insult the other better. Yes, even back then (10 years ago) the Linux kernel mailing list was very much so a toxic environment.
But then something happened.
Companies got involved. Developers started having families and maturing. By 2011, LKML was a much more professional environment, and continues to move in that direction. The nasty insult is much more the exception than the norm. It's been years since I've seen a flame war on LKML.
In other words, this isn't your daddy's kernel environment.
I happen to be the one that made the comment that "Linus scares me more than Greg", which started the thread that Sarah had her rant with. The whole thread was rather harmless, but because Ingo and Linus were telling Greg he needed to be a bit tougher and not accept patches to the stable tree so easily, caused Sarah to have her rant. But he needed to be tougher! There was a reason that I would label patches "stable" and not send it to Linus. Because those patches perhaps didn't meet the standard of a "stable" patch. But since Greg was such a nice guy, I knew I could get that in through him, and possibly not through Linus.
I could imagine back in `95 the kernel community not being such a nice place to interact in. Same goes for `05. But for `15, things have improved so much so that even when we had a developer almost seemingly trying to get bad patches into the kernel, and never listening to the advice given to him from the maintainers (and even Sarah herself was critical on this person), he was denied in an extremely polite and civil tone.
Is this a joke? Or is it someone just trying to push their ideology of what they think should be done to the rest of the world to make their idea a standard?
Wow, that was my same response when I upgraded my box and Gnome3 was installed (removing my very customized setup of Gnome2).
I use it all the time for patch management. One little tidbit that most people do not know about mc is that you can cd into a patch. Edit the diffs in the patch, and copy a diff from one patch to another patch file, just like copying or moving a file.
In 1999 NASA and scientists from Lockheed Martin (where I use to work) sent out a Mars orbiter (although User Friendly mistakenly calls it a Mars Lander). The orbiter was suppose to orbit Mars taking information. On the far side of Mars we lost communication to it, as expected due to having Mars between it and us. But unexpected, the orbiter never showed up again. After a while, it was discovered that the orbiter actually crashed into Mars.
Now the funny part of the cartoon. The mistake that happened, was that some sceintists were using metric units while others where using English units, but they didn't make the conversion when they put their stuff together. So basically a $135 Million project died because of a typo.
And just in case you didn't know your commercials, Master Card was having this campaign at the time advertising itself. It would talk about some trip or adventure where the things to do it cost money and give a price. At the end it would show some experience and price it as "Priceless". And then it would say, "Some things in life, you can not buy. For everything else there's Master Card". So Userfriendly took this opportunity to give a comercial about the Mars Orbiter disaster.
It is also commonly known that those that do not like the current president name him "Bush Jr." as more of an insult than to correctly call him by name.
AFAIK the region locks were never about preventing piracy. They were about greed for power and money.
Anyone who believed it was about preventing piracy was either ignorant or stupid. Because pirates could just make bit-for-bit copies of the DVD and the DVDs would work EXACTLY as the originals (not talking about the small time pirates who just make 50 copies or something silly - talking about those who stamp out thousands of copies).
Hmm, I actually believe that the pointy hair managers that thought up the region locks did think that it would prevent piracy (I also believe they are ignorant and stupid too). But they also did it for power and money. They did want to stop the small time pirates as well as the big time ones. But I think they were shocked at how quickly it was that pirates could break the code.
If it really was about power and money, then they are also stupid. Because there's a number of friends that I know who travel overseas, and want to buy a DVD and dont because of region codes. Multiply this by all people who fall under this catagory, and there's a market there that the DVD industry is losing money on. I still haven't figured out where the power and money comes from because of region codes. The way I see it, it is a lose lose situation for everyone. Even the greedy pointy hair managers.
This reminds me of the region locks on DVDs. I travel to Germany a lot, and to keep up on my German, I like to buy DVDs there so that when I'm home I can watch the movies in German (In the US, all the movies are in English, Spanish and sometimes French, never German). But unfortunately, I can't watch them when I'm home because of the region lock. I have an old laptop with a DVD drive that I can watch them on.
One day I came across a pirated DVD in Germany of a movie I already owned. Out of curiosity, I bought it, since it had a German sound track (the version I had didn't have German). When I got home, low and behold, it played on all my DVD players! So now, what's the incentive of buying movies in a store (paying 10 to 20 Euros) when I can't watch them at home, when I can pay 5 Euros for a pirated movie that I can watch at home.
The irony is that the region locks were suppose to prevent piracy. It made it more of an incentive to do it. 0
New York is not a good example. I've once read that it is the most generous city on the Earth. The hobos there make more money than hobos anywhere else. I once saw some show on 20/20 or 60 minutes or one of those "news" programs, about a hobo that not only makes enough money to live on, but also once a year flies to Las Vegas, books a penthouse, and spends thousands of dollars gambling. This is all from what he earns panhandling.
I've often thought about quiting my job and panhandle in NY just to see if I can make more:-)
So, the reason that NY has so many panhandlers, is because it pays!
I have a German Collegue here in Germany who married a Japanese woman. They met in Ireland in an English course. They both now speak fluent English and going further with your point, he knows little Japanese, and she knows little German, although they now live in Germany. I asked him which language do they speak to each other in, and he told me English. I just find it interresting that a married couple speaks to each other in a language other than either of their mother tongues.
I agree totally with you. This is in fact exactly what I've been doing with German. I lived in Germany for 10 months and I'm working there right now. I've picked up several DVDs and have watched them with the German subtitles in German. It took me two months before I was able to hear the words. Before that, it just sounded like gibberish. Then I could swear that the words did not match the subtitles. After grasping a better control of the language, I realize that the subtitles often don't match the words. I just finished watching Troja (Troy) and the part where Achilles defeats the warrior in the beginning, he yells "Ist das alles?" and the subtitles say "Sonst noch etwas?". Now that was just stupid. I wonder if they were just having fun. Although I had to laugh while watching "Der Untergang" (Downfall), the Berliner girl subtitle was written as "Ick" instead of "Ich". For those that don't know, "ick" is the Berliner accent for saying "ich".
I'm currently in Germany as I write this. I've spent 10 months here last year, and I'm only here this time for 3 to 4 weeks. When I first came here, I knew at most 5 German words, and that was just from playing "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" (the words being "schnell", "verboten", "rauchen", "bitte", and "kaputt"). Since I had nothing better to do with my time, I decided to try to learn German. I grabbed a few books from the local stores here, but that only helped a little. I then bought Barron's Mastering Germen Level 1 and 2 and went through both. They helped a lot, but were very outdated. What the hell is a "winker" that goes on a car? (I know the answer, but it really dates the books). My vocabulary is now around 2 thousand words. But I would say I'm far from being fluent.
After finishing Barron's I'm now sick of study books, so I've bought several books in German. With a dictionary (or Ding) I've read "Der Kleine Hobbit" (The Hobbit), "Der Herr Der Ringe, Die Gefaehrten" (The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship) and I'm currently half way through "Der Herr Der Ringe, Die Zwei Tuerme" (The Two Towers). This has helped my vocabulary immensely. But not my speaking or listening skills. I am a much better reader now. I've just bought a German dictionary with only German translations. This has also helped a lot, and I would recommend anyone who knows about 2000 words in a language, to do the same. That is to use a dictionary only in that language.
For my listening skills, I've bought several DVDs in German. Unfortunately, I have to watch them on my laptop because of stupid region locks. Not to mention that I watch the TV while in Germany. At home (in the US) I watch the realplayer downloads at www.n-tv.de, www.zdf.de and www.ard.de.
Now while in Germany, I try speaking, but my collegues here speak English too well, and we usually start speaking English after a few minutes, when we both get frustrated (I can't think of the right way to say something, and they can't figure out what I'm trying to say). So what I really need is someone that doesn't speak English, or at least not well, so that I'm forced to try German. I'll just keep watching and reading and hopefully, the speaking will eventually come around.
I do still take note of the little things that you don't learn in books. "Noch 'was" is short for "Sonst noch etwas" - (anything else?). "Jedem sein's" is each your own. And "feierabend" is the time when you're done with work.
I wonder if you could use the same argument to redirect those that went to factcheck.com instead of factcheck.org after Dick Cheney mentioned the wrong site in his debate? Think about it. Lots of those that went to the wrong site were probably offended by what they saw. At the time, factcheck.com was an anti-bush site. So I'm sure that lots of those that went there were Bush/Cheney supporters and were quite offended by what they saw. Would it be acceptable if the ISP of factcheck.com forward requests to factcheck.org, because "That was the site that most of the users really wanted"? If that is not acceptable, then what really is the difference.
Ok, being a parent, I would have preferred keeping my kids from seeing Mr. Donovan's "large" picture. But the point is, this can open up a really big can of worms.
According to World Atlas Sweden is about the size of California (land size) and the population of 8,875,053. We have more than that in New York city alone. We are the "United States" and voting is run by each state. So every state may do things a little differently. I live in New York State and like the old fashion machines that we use. But with the size of the US and the complexity of having different states so large, you can't compare Sweden to the US. Maybe Russia or China, but not Sweden.
I'm not familiar with the way Russia votes so I can't comment about them. Do they have a better system? Atleast our system seemed better than India. If I remember, their system took weeks, but then again, India's has a lot more people than the US.
Someone has already mentioned apache, but the Internet itself was developed mainly in an open mindset.
What you don't see is the thousands of small utilities used inside companies that come from open-source. These utilities are not distributed to the public, so they are not affected by the GPL, but this cannot be done with closed source.
Also I can't think of anything that Microsoft made that was innovative, that they didn't steal and use their monopoly power to kill the original, that was usually better.
I'm running gnome and have lots of utilities that I don't have on MS. Some of these are available from third parties, but the quality is not as good. One main example is the multiple desktop. I use six different desktops to bounce around different projects that I work on in one day. This has helped me tremendously. Grant you, that this is old, but I first saw this with fvwm and that was opensource. Maybe it was copied from something else but that was not were I've seen it. I've found many utilities more easy to use in the opensource arena than the closed source.
Also where do you think IE came from? the same place as Mozilla, which is derived from Netscape which was derived from Mosaic which is another innovative opensource product. If all you look at is Word, Powerpoint, Excel and Photoshop, I can see you having this view, but there is a lot more out there that comes from opensource, but since it doesn't have a logo on it, you just don't see it.
No... Ted got what he wants... and then wants to change the system a little late in life.
This statement seems to show that you didn't RTFA! Since what he is complaining about is that the system has already changed after he got what he wants. He states that he couldn't have gotten what he wants if the system was back then like it is today.
Interesting... I agree that CNN is slanted, but I would argue that CNN is not as slanted as FOX News. At least on CNN, there was a time that people could finish their statements without being cut off by the interviewer. The interviewer would then question the interviewee on what they said.
Then came FOX News, I got sick of it when it seemed that anytime someone would say something that the interviewer disagreed with, they would be cut off, or screamed at before they can finish their point. I don't usually agree with the one being interviewed, but I still want to know what they have to say without constant interruptions.
I've now noticed that when FOX News became more popular than CNN, they started doing the same thing. It ticks me off, because news should show both sides of the story and the interviewer should let people speak and then nail them with the questions.
This is pretty much what happened with the first launch of the shuttle. Remember when the Columbia was to first time lift off, and it was just around the final 10 count when they abandoned the mission due to a software error. The problem was then searched by many programmers to find what happened, and it was finally found by the guy who made the mistake! Of course this guy got a huge bonus for finding it, although no one seemed to care that he was the one that made it. But that's the life of a programmer:-)
I would never say that firefox is secure. Any tool that browses the net with the functionality of a browser will most likely have flaws. But I would say that firefox is more secure than IE for other reasons than just not being as mainstream.
I find that OS fixes are usually safer to add than MS, but I must admit it's been a while since I've used windows and this might have changed. But there was a time that I would add a service patch to NT (that long ago:-) and that patch would add much more than I wanted and actually break things. I gave up on every patch unless I really needed it. Usually with an OS project, you can get a patch or update that only fixes the problems. But, yes they too can cause more problems perhaps, but it is less likely.
I also believe in the more eyes to code the more secure. This number may not be as big as some OS enthusiast say but it still is quite large. I usually browse the code of stuff that I use, either as to see how it works, or to add some new features. And every so often I find a bug and notify the maintainer. This can not happen to priority software so it loses out.
Also, isn't IE not supported as much anymore, since the end of the original browser wars? So the review of code has faded.
But I agree partly with you. Security of any product usually requires the user of the product to keep up to date and aware of problems.
It is referenced in the movie, when Denethor says he has seen more that Gandolf knows. I assumed (and hope that I'm right) that this is one of the things that get shown in the EE.
I also prefer the book version of Aragon playing tricks with Sauron using the palantir. ie. Making him think that Aragon has the ring with the confidence he shows.
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1995! Really? That's your reference?
I started getting involved in kernel development around 2003. I remember it was a very toxic environment even then. There was constant flame wars, and I swear, people were having contests about who could insult the other better. Yes, even back then (10 years ago) the Linux kernel mailing list was very much so a toxic environment.
But then something happened.
Companies got involved. Developers started having families and maturing. By 2011, LKML was a much more professional environment, and continues to move in that direction. The nasty insult is much more the exception than the norm. It's been years since I've seen a flame war on LKML.
In other words, this isn't your daddy's kernel environment.
I happen to be the one that made the comment that "Linus scares me more than Greg", which started the thread that Sarah had her rant with. The whole thread was rather harmless, but because Ingo and Linus were telling Greg he needed to be a bit tougher and not accept patches to the stable tree so easily, caused Sarah to have her rant. But he needed to be tougher! There was a reason that I would label patches "stable" and not send it to Linus. Because those patches perhaps didn't meet the standard of a "stable" patch. But since Greg was such a nice guy, I knew I could get that in through him, and possibly not through Linus.
I could imagine back in `95 the kernel community not being such a nice place to interact in. Same goes for `05. But for `15, things have improved so much so that even when we had a developer almost seemingly trying to get bad patches into the kernel, and never listening to the advice given to him from the maintainers (and even Sarah herself was critical on this person), he was denied in an extremely polite and civil tone.
Is this a joke? Or is it someone just trying to push their ideology of what they think should be done to the rest of the world to make their idea a standard?
Wow, that was my same response when I upgraded my box and Gnome3 was installed (removing my very customized setup of Gnome2).
I love mc!
I use it all the time for patch management. One little tidbit that most people do not know about mc is that you can cd into a patch. Edit the diffs in the patch, and copy a diff from one patch to another patch file, just like copying or moving a file.
In 1999 NASA and scientists from Lockheed Martin (where I use to work) sent out a Mars orbiter (although User Friendly mistakenly calls it a Mars Lander). The orbiter was suppose to orbit Mars taking information. On the far side of Mars we lost communication to it, as expected due to having Mars between it and us. But unexpected, the orbiter never showed up again. After a while, it was discovered that the orbiter actually crashed into Mars.
Now the funny part of the cartoon. The mistake that happened, was that some sceintists were using metric units while others where using English units, but they didn't make the conversion when they put their stuff together. So basically a $135 Million project died because of a typo.
And just in case you didn't know your commercials, Master Card was having this campaign at the time advertising itself. It would talk about some trip or adventure where the things to do it cost money and give a price. At the end it would show some experience and price it as "Priceless". And then it would say, "Some things in life, you can not buy. For everything else there's Master Card". So Userfriendly took this opportunity to give a comercial about the Mars Orbiter disaster.
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It is also commonly known that those that do not like the current president name him "Bush Jr." as more of an insult than to correctly call him by name.
Cool, then it's best to license it under the GPL. That way MS can't use it further unless they license their stuff under the GPL.
AFAIK the region locks were never about preventing piracy. They were about greed for power and money.
Anyone who believed it was about preventing piracy was either ignorant or stupid. Because pirates could just make bit-for-bit copies of the DVD and the DVDs would work EXACTLY as the originals (not talking about the small time pirates who just make 50 copies or something silly - talking about those who stamp out thousands of copies).
Hmm, I actually believe that the pointy hair managers that thought up the region locks did think that it would prevent piracy (I also believe they are ignorant and stupid too). But they also did it for power and money. They did want to stop the small time pirates as well as the big time ones. But I think they were shocked at how quickly it was that pirates could break the code.
If it really was about power and money, then they are also stupid. Because there's a number of friends that I know who travel overseas, and want to buy a DVD and dont because of region codes. Multiply this by all people who fall under this catagory, and there's a market there that the DVD industry is losing money on. I still haven't figured out where the power and money comes from because of region codes. The way I see it, it is a lose lose situation for everyone. Even the greedy pointy hair managers.
This reminds me of the region locks on DVDs. I travel to Germany a lot, and to keep up on my German, I like to buy DVDs there so that when I'm home I can watch the movies in German (In the US, all the movies are in English, Spanish and sometimes French, never German). But unfortunately, I can't watch them when I'm home because of the region lock. I have an old laptop with a DVD drive that I can watch them on.
One day I came across a pirated DVD in Germany of a movie I already owned. Out of curiosity, I bought it, since it had a German sound track (the version I had didn't have German). When I got home, low and behold, it played on all my DVD players! So now, what's the incentive of buying movies in a store (paying 10 to 20 Euros) when I can't watch them at home, when I can pay 5 Euros for a pirated movie that I can watch at home.
The irony is that the region locks were suppose to prevent piracy. It made it more of an incentive to do it.
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New York is not a good example. I've once read that it is the most generous city on the Earth. The hobos there make more money than hobos anywhere else. I once saw some show on 20/20 or 60 minutes or one of those "news" programs, about a hobo that not only makes enough money to live on, but also once a year flies to Las Vegas, books a penthouse, and spends thousands of dollars gambling. This is all from what he earns panhandling.
:-)
I've often thought about quiting my job and panhandle in NY just to see if I can make more
So, the reason that NY has so many panhandlers, is because it pays!
I have a German Collegue here in Germany who married a Japanese woman. They met in Ireland in an English course. They both now speak fluent English and going further with your point, he knows little Japanese, and she knows little German, although they now live in Germany. I asked him which language do they speak to each other in, and he told me English. I just find it interresting that a married couple speaks to each other in a language other than either of their mother tongues.
I agree totally with you. This is in fact exactly what I've been doing with German. I lived in Germany for 10 months and I'm working there right now. I've picked up several DVDs and have watched them with the German subtitles in German. It took me two months before I was able to hear the words. Before that, it just sounded like gibberish. Then I could swear that the words did not match the subtitles. After grasping a better control of the language, I realize that the subtitles often don't match the words. I just finished watching Troja (Troy) and the part where Achilles defeats the warrior in the beginning, he yells "Ist das alles?" and the subtitles say "Sonst noch etwas?". Now that was just stupid. I wonder if they were just having fun. Although I had to laugh while watching "Der Untergang" (Downfall), the Berliner girl subtitle was written as "Ick" instead of "Ich". For those that don't know, "ick" is the Berliner accent for saying "ich".
I'm currently in Germany as I write this. I've spent 10 months here last year, and I'm only here this time for 3 to 4 weeks. When I first came here, I knew at most 5 German words, and that was just from playing "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" (the words being "schnell", "verboten", "rauchen", "bitte", and "kaputt"). Since I had nothing better to do with my time, I decided to try to learn German. I grabbed a few books from the local stores here, but that only helped a little. I then bought Barron's Mastering Germen Level 1 and 2 and went through both. They helped a lot, but were very outdated. What the hell is a "winker" that goes on a car? (I know the answer, but it really dates the books). My vocabulary is now around 2 thousand words. But I would say I'm far from being fluent.
After finishing Barron's I'm now sick of study books, so I've bought several books in German. With a dictionary (or Ding) I've read "Der Kleine Hobbit" (The Hobbit), "Der Herr Der Ringe, Die Gefaehrten" (The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship) and I'm currently half way through "Der Herr Der Ringe, Die Zwei Tuerme" (The Two Towers). This has helped my vocabulary immensely. But not my speaking or listening skills. I am a much better reader now. I've just bought a German dictionary with only German translations. This has also helped a lot, and I would recommend anyone who knows about 2000 words in a language, to do the same. That is to use a dictionary only in that language.
For my listening skills, I've bought several DVDs in German. Unfortunately, I have to watch them on my laptop because of stupid region locks. Not to mention that I watch the TV while in Germany. At home (in the US) I watch the realplayer downloads at www.n-tv.de, www.zdf.de and www.ard.de.
Now while in Germany, I try speaking, but my collegues here speak English too well, and we usually start speaking English after a few minutes, when we both get frustrated (I can't think of the right way to say something, and they can't figure out what I'm trying to say). So what I really need is someone that doesn't speak English, or at least not well, so that I'm forced to try German. I'll just keep watching and reading and hopefully, the speaking will eventually come around.
I do still take note of the little things that you don't learn in books. "Noch 'was" is short for "Sonst noch etwas" - (anything else?). "Jedem sein's" is each your own. And "feierabend" is the time when you're done with work.
I wonder if you could use the same argument to redirect those that went to factcheck.com instead of factcheck.org after Dick Cheney mentioned the wrong site in his debate? Think about it. Lots of those that went to the wrong site were probably offended by what they saw. At the time, factcheck.com was an anti-bush site. So I'm sure that lots of those that went there were Bush/Cheney supporters and were quite offended by what they saw. Would it be acceptable if the ISP of factcheck.com forward requests to factcheck.org, because "That was the site that most of the users really wanted"? If that is not acceptable, then what really is the difference.
Ok, being a parent, I would have preferred keeping my kids from seeing Mr. Donovan's "large" picture. But the point is, this can open up a really big can of worms.
According to World Atlas Sweden is about the size of California (land size) and the population of 8,875,053. We have more than that in New York city alone. We are the "United States" and voting is run by each state. So every state may do things a little differently. I live in New York State and like the old fashion machines that we use. But with the size of the US and the complexity of having different states so large, you can't compare Sweden to the US. Maybe Russia or China, but not Sweden.
I'm not familiar with the way Russia votes so I can't comment about them. Do they have a better system? Atleast our system seemed better than India. If I remember, their system took weeks, but then again, India's has a lot more people than the US.
Someone has already mentioned apache, but the Internet itself was developed mainly in an open mindset.
What you don't see is the thousands of small utilities used inside companies that come from open-source. These utilities are not distributed to the public, so they are not affected by the GPL, but this cannot be done with closed source.
Also I can't think of anything that Microsoft made that was innovative, that they didn't steal and use their monopoly power to kill the original, that was usually better.
I'm running gnome and have lots of utilities that I don't have on MS. Some of these are available from third parties, but the quality is not as good. One main example is the multiple desktop. I use six different desktops to bounce around different projects that I work on in one day. This has helped me tremendously. Grant you, that this is old, but I first saw this with fvwm and that was opensource. Maybe it was copied from something else but that was not were I've seen it. I've found many utilities more easy to use in the opensource arena than the closed source.
Also where do you think IE came from? the same place as Mozilla, which is derived from Netscape which was derived from Mosaic which is another innovative opensource product. If all you look at is Word, Powerpoint, Excel and Photoshop, I can see you having this view, but there is a lot more out there that comes from opensource, but since it doesn't have a logo on it, you just don't see it.
Open your eyes.
So you're the reason why my boss always insists on having a bigger machine than me. While all he does is powerpoint, and I'm doing kernel compiles! :-)
No... Ted got what he wants... and then wants to change the system a little late in life.
This statement seems to show that you didn't RTFA! Since what he is complaining about is that the system has already changed after he got what he wants. He states that he couldn't have gotten what he wants if the system was back then like it is today.
Interesting... I agree that CNN is slanted, but I would argue that CNN is not as slanted as FOX News. At least on CNN, there was a time that people could finish their statements without being cut off by the interviewer. The interviewer would then question the interviewee on what they said.
Then came FOX News, I got sick of it when it seemed that anytime someone would say something that the interviewer disagreed with, they would be cut off, or screamed at before they can finish their point. I don't usually agree with the one being interviewed, but I still want to know what they have to say without constant interruptions.
I've now noticed that when FOX News became more popular than CNN, they started doing the same thing. It ticks me off, because news should show both sides of the story and the interviewer should let people speak and then nail them with the questions.
you think people click the links to READ information?
;-)
Yes people do! Only the ones that post forget to do this part
This is pretty much what happened with the first launch of the shuttle. Remember when the Columbia was to first time lift off, and it was just around the final 10 count when they abandoned the mission due to a software error. The problem was then searched by many programmers to find what happened, and it was finally found by the guy who made the mistake! Of course this guy got a huge bonus for finding it, although no one seemed to care that he was the one that made it. But that's the life of a programmer :-)
I would never say that firefox is secure. Any tool that browses the net with the functionality of a browser will most likely have flaws. But I would say that firefox is more secure than IE for other reasons than just not being as mainstream.
:-) and that patch would add much more than I wanted and actually break things. I gave up on every patch unless I really needed it. Usually with an OS project, you can get a patch or update that only fixes the problems. But, yes they too can cause more problems perhaps, but it is less likely.
I find that OS fixes are usually safer to add than MS, but I must admit it's been a while since I've used windows and this might have changed. But there was a time that I would add a service patch to NT (that long ago
I also believe in the more eyes to code the more secure. This number may not be as big as some OS enthusiast say but it still is quite large. I usually browse the code of stuff that I use, either as to see how it works, or to add some new features. And every so often I find a bug and notify the maintainer. This can not happen to priority software so it loses out.
Also, isn't IE not supported as much anymore, since the end of the original browser wars? So the review of code has faded.
But I agree partly with you. Security of any product usually requires the user of the product to keep up to date and aware of problems.
Ah, do you mean by adding more security flaws to the browser? :-)
It is referenced in the movie, when Denethor says he has seen more that Gandolf knows. I assumed (and hope that I'm right) that this is one of the things that get shown in the EE.
I also prefer the book version of Aragon playing tricks with Sauron using the palantir. ie. Making him think that Aragon has the ring with the confidence he shows.
Cute, I actually thought that was funny.
But I do have to say that I didn't state that what I gave was proof, just some evidence. But the statement is real.