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Interview: Corel CEO Michael Cowpland Answers
Corel Linux and Red Hat Linux
by ajs
At The Bazaar, I asked you if you recommended to your customers that they install Red Hat Linux as their server OS, and you said "Yes." Is this still Corel's stand, or are you moving toward the server market as well?
Cowpland:
Corel's Linux focus has always been on the desktop. Our goal when we created Corel LINUX OS was to take the rock solid Debian distribution and KDE desktop and build an easy to install and simple to use Linux distribution for desktop users that would act as a platform for our applications (WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux and our graphics suite for Linux). That is still our focus - and providing a distribution that non-technical users would be comfortable with was key to bringing our applications to Linux. We have made a few partnership announcements in the past few days with Newlix and O/E One, but these partnerships are part of our core competency - creating user-friendly applications and GUI. Newlix is creating a server that will run Corel LINUX OS - we are building the GUI. O/E One is building information appliances that will be based on Corel LINUX OS and use our user-friendly interface. Certainly configuration for Samba and other server tools are available in Corel LINUX OS as they are in other distributions, but we want to maintain our focus on the desktop and provide a clean, easy experience for our users.
Corel Office
by LostOne
How committed is Corel to porting their office package over to Linux? Will we see the same functionality in the Linux versions as in the Windows versions when the ports are completed or will there be functional differences? For that matter, will the applications be able to talk to other X applications using the standard X protocols?
Cowpland:
We will begin testing beta 1 of WordPerfect Office 2000 (WordPerfect 9, Quattro Pro 9, Presentations 9, Paradox 9 and CorelCENTRAL 9) this month and anticipate the office suite will be available on store shelves in April. To make WordPerfect Office 2000 a viable choice for users, we needed to focus on the core functionality of the applications and ensure we provided users with a complete productivity suite that has all of the functionality most users will ever need. There are some limitations in the underlying transport layer that prevent a 100% feature parity. Please note that these areas are under active evaluation and development.
Our goal is to provide the same functionality on both Linux and Windows platforms. Features that are heavily dependent on the operating system, may be delayed until the Linux operating system supports them. Rather than try to develop applications that meet the lowest common denominator, we are taking advantage of the strengths in each of the operating systems and this will most certainly show up as minor variations. Our first generation of Linux applications will depend on a porting layer and this porting layer can be extended to talk to other X applications. We recognize that interoperability with other X applications is important and that will become a focus once we complete our interoperability with legacy documents and applications.
Canada and Corel
by dbarclay10
I'm a proud Canadian citizen. Despite the "brain drain," I still feel that Canada produces top-notch hardware and software. However, many of our highly skilled people have taken jobs in the U.S. and abroad because they get paid more. I must say, when offered nearly twice the pay, and with a lower cost of living in some U.S. cities, I'd be tempted myself. My question: How dedicated are you to keeping Corel a Canadian company? Are there any political/business issues you wish to see resolved to help keep Corel a Canadian company?
Cowpland:
It's a major advantage for us to be in Canada - an excellent workforce with super productivity and easy access to world markets and we don't see this picture changing.
Corel Linux Licensing issues
by Anonymous Coward
One of the biggest issues most of us in the Gnu/Linux community face when considering Corel Linux is that of figuring out your commitment to Open Source / GPL software. First, there was the flack over your beta not being GPLed in spite of containing GPLed code, and then there was the weird situation with you licensing a product developed by people under 18 only to consumers over 18. Would you care to comment on these issues, and on what you can say to reassure those of us who, frankly, doubt Corel's commitment to the ideological positions we hold dear?
Cowpland:
Unfortunately there was a misunderstanding when we initially began beta testing Corel LINUX OS. The intention of the agreement was to keep Corel-specific code under non-disclosure until we were ready to release the product. The reason why we wanted to do that was 1) to protect our reputation for producing quality products by not releasing code before it was fully tested and 2) to ensure that someone didn't copy the Corel-specific code and begin distributing it under our corporate name before it was ready to be released. Once we realized that the agreement was not clear and was causing concern in the open source community, we immediately amended it and sent new agreements to all the beta testers that spelled out more clearly what we intended. I think our quick response to the open source community actually earned Corel more respect and support because it showed that we do listen to the community and take their complaints very seriously.
The licensing agreement isn't intended to prevent anyone under 18 from using the product, however, in most jurisdictions in North America, someone under 18 cannot enter into a legally binding contract. Basically that means that someone under 18 can read the GPL licensing agreement, agree to the conditions, download the product and then not be bound by the terms and conditions of the contract. That idea may seem far-fetched and wasn't really a factor for developers throughout most of the life of Linux. But as Linux becomes more and more popular, I think the open source community needs to make sure its interests are protected. That's why we require a guardian or parent to agree to the GPL license on behalf of someone under 18 before downloading Corel LINUX OS. The intent is just to ensure the GPL is enforceable.
Corel and ASP
by Schnake
Does Corel have an ASP (Application Service Provider) strategy?
Cowpland:
Linux offers an excellent solution for Corel's ASP strategy. The basis of the ASP model is providing service and value to customers, by offering a reliable and Low Total Cost of Delivery package to ASP partners. Because Linux is developed in an open environment, and the different versions of the operating system are available at no charge on the Web, Linux is also a good value-based alternative for different ASP providers.
Corel recognizes this, and is positioned at the forefront of the Linux movement, with the release of WordPerfect 8 for Linux, Corel® LINUX® OS, and upcoming releases of its entire office suite and graphics suite in 2000. By developing innovative technology like Linux and strategic industry partnerships, Corel is a leader in providing low cost of delivery technology to its ASP partners.
Corel recently announced a licensing agreement with GraphOn to include licenses for its GraphOn® Bridges technology which enables software to be delivered from a server to any client desktop-regardless of the operating system used. In this scenario, Windows NT® software could be delivered from a server to a Linux desktop, significantly lowering overall implementation costs and increasing the number of software applications made available to ASP clients. Taken a step further, the native Linux software would be delivered from a Linux server to a Linux-based desktop-offering an exciting value proposition.
Free as in Beer
by Th0th
...is there any concern that the WordPerfect Office 2000 suite for Linux will be financially unsuccessful due to the fact that personal users of Linux, used to getting software for free, will be unable/unwilling to spend hundreds of dollars on an office suite?
Cowpland:
Certainly there are people in the open source community who will continue to download and use free software like WordPerfect 8 for Linux and we encourage them to do so. However, there are many new Linux users and technology enthusiasts that want to try Linux but have been deterred by its difficult-to-use reputation. These customers believe in the value of the Corel brand and want to purchase a complete office suite that includes support, a user manual and a well-known company like Corel that stands behind its products. And as Linux moves more into non-traditional Linux markets like small business and home users, the Corel brand and technical support will play an even greater role. Many customers have already demonstrated their willingness to pay for these features, as evidenced sales of Linux products from companies like Corel, Red Hat, Caldera, etc. and we believe the market for Linux products will continue to grow.
I also want to let you know that we intend to offer WordPerfect Office 2000 at prices comparable to our Windows suite which are already very aggressively priced. High prices should not be a factor in keeping people away from Linux.
Giving Back to the Community
by Jon Trowbridge
There is a general sense that, besides trying to increase shareholder value, Red Hat and VA are giving back to the community by employing GNOME hackers, kernel hackers, etc.
Red Hat and VA benefit from doing this, of course, but only in the sense that it benefits the free software community as a whole. What sort of things are Corel doing along these lines? Have you hired any free software celebrities and given them the mandate to hack on anything want? What non-Corel development projects are you funding? Besides bigger and better graphical installers, what benefits will the average non-Corel Debian user derive from your involvement?
Cowpland:
The average Debian user might not derive any immediate benefits from our involvement because what we are doing with Linux on the desktop is probably too simplistic for him or her. We want to bring Linux to non-technical users and that doesn't typically describe a Debian user. We believe that an easier-to-use Linux with familiar applications will encourage more people to try Linux and once they do, they'll stay with it. Eventually Linux will move into mainstream markets, creating more demand for Linux developers, and that's where Debian and other Linux developers will see benefits.
We will also continue to contribute the work we do on Corel LINUX OS and the Wine project to the open source community. We're also using our position within the business community to evangelize Linux to other ISVs (independent software vendors) and encourage them to bring their technology to Linux. In the long run, we believe this will help further the development and acceptance of Linux.
Other projects we're currently working on include a printing API that will be released to the open source community. We needed to create a printing API now so that our applications will be able to print once they are released in the spring, but by releasing it back to the open source community we hope that Linux developers will provide feedback and suggestions to improve upon it.
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Wine is not developed under the GPL. It's distributed under a modified BSD license, but should shortly change to the X11 license, pending approval from all copyright holders (of which I am one).
This thread has started some rumours that may lead to misinformation, so let me report what I KNOW from reading the wine-devel mailing list:
1. Corel is very committed to Wine and will be shipping apps based on winelib in the very near future.
2. Until fairly recently (meaning up until the last month or so), Corel has been VERY dilligent about sending MANY patches to the wine-patches mailing list, from which Alexandre (the Wine project lead) applies some or all to the wine codebase. Their contributions have been numerous.
3. According to an email that was accidentally sent to wine-devel by one of the Corel engineers, as Corel approaches the release of their beta, they will be focusing on shipping the product and have thus put patch contributes to Wine on the back burner FOR NOW. They are in the business of shipping software, and given their manpower, this was the most efficient thing for them to do at the time. When the software ships, they will send all of their pending patches to wine and business continues as usual. Merging patches from Corel's internal tree, preparing them and mailing them to the wine-patches list, and subsequently modifying or rewriting those that are not immediately accepted is a time-consuming process, and I guess they just need to use the time for something else at this particular point, namely polishing up their internal wine tree to the point where they can ship software based on it.
The Corel engineers have been very active participants on the wine mailing lists and I think we owe them all a big thank you for all of their work. Wine has improved dramatically in the past year. I have seen nothing that would cause me to doubt Corel's dedication to Wine as a solution to shipping Linux applications. Judging by the screenshots I've seen of Quattro Pro and other Corel apps running against winelib, we're all in for some spectacular Linux apps.
1) We contribute regularly to the WINE CVS tree. I have no idea why you think that we "haven't contributed anything in months". Check out the wine-cvs mailing list
2) We also have a parallel internal branch where we do some things that the WINE community doesn't want to see integrated into the main tree. For example, we did a KDE look-and-feel patch that the WINE community wanted to see turned into a full modularization of WINE theme code. We weren't prepared to do that work, so it just stayed in our tree. The patch is our there on the development lists, it just hasn't been commited to winehq cvs. Our tree also has other fixes that WINE developers have made that haven't made it into winehq CVS - Ove Kaaven's pthreads patch, for example. We haven't sent in many patches in December and January because we're working on our beta release, and don't have the time to spare to do a back-merge.
3) We also have contractors doing work for us - much of the work that Alexandre Julliard is doing on WINE right now is being paid for by us, for example. That work goes into both winehq and our internal branch.
4) We're planning on making our internal WINE tree available externally soon, so that other people are free to extend and merge some of our changes back into winehq.
5)We're not "just talking" about WINE. Check out this link for screenshots of our apps running on WINE.
6) All of the work that we did for Corel Linux is open sourced. All of the installer, KDE, and apt related code is GPLed or LGPLed. Code that we wrote from scratch is under the Corel Public License, a name-changed version of the MPL. The source code is all up here
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Gavriel State
Engineering Architect - Linux Development
Corel Corp
...But as Linux becomes more and more popular, I think the open source community needs to make sure its interests are protected. That's why we require a guardian or parent to agree to the GPL license on behalf of someone under 18 before downloading Corel LINUX OS. The intent is just to ensure the GPL is enforceable.
A very important implication of this is that Corel sees the GPL not just as something they have to conform to, but as something they may themselves need to defend in court. That's probably a good thing...
Caveat: I own Corel stock.
The cake is a pie
Like some other readers, I found this interview to be lacking in meaningful content.
However, let's keep in mind what we're seeing here. Cowpland is the head of a commercial venture of some size. Most likely, his answers were checked by both his legal department and his corporate communications department. Anything truly substantial about strategic directions will be filtered out by those groups, and saved for venues where the companies can truly control what is said and how it is presented. Typically, this means a press release or a major keynote at a conference (remember, Apple doesn't announce new initiatives in interviews, but at Macworld keynotes).
The real content here is between the lines. Cowpland shows a sensitivity both to the needs of the open source community and to his responsibility to his company and his investors. Many companies want to make money in open source (and after the Red Hat IPO, you can bet that number increased dramatically), but Corel is evidently thinking logically and rationally about how to make money without damaging the energy and vitality of the community.
Sure, they may have bungled a few things, but they're learning. If more companies think about open source as well as Corel appears to have, we'll have a strong, revitalized industry on our hands.
Then we really will be able to tackle corporate and govenrmental behemoths.
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Klactovedestene!
Most of this interview was completely worthless, but the fact that someone is working on a new printing API is really good news.
The lack of solid, consistent and reliable printing under Linux has been a huge hole. Hopefully they'll do it right, and it will be up to the standards of Windows.
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Does GNU have any specific comments on the validity of the license with regards to minors? If minors in the US can break contracts willy-nilly, there's doesn't seem to be any binding way of enforcing the GPL. OTOH, there's no binding way of enforcing any of the other "for profit" licenses, either... so theoretically a 14 year old and a CD burner could LEGALLY pirate Microsoft software...- -------
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Ummm. I think you'll find Corel _are_ the reason that people _will_ switch. They are targetting a new segment for Linux.
Personally I this interview makes me think well of Corel. It talks about what they are _doing_, rather than lots of guff and fluff about how super duper Linux and the GPL and the OS movement are and oh I couldn't have done it without you guys etc etc.
They talk about doing useful stuff to help ordinary people. Like sorting out the crap printing system that has dogged Unix in general and Linux in particular for such a long time.
They talk about software - writing software, writing good, useful software, then selling that software. I _like_ that. They aren't talking wishy washy stuff about moving in to the portal business offering enterprise level support and consultancy in the fast moving OpenSource blah blah blah community blah e-solution blah blah.
It's really nice to hear technology companies talking about technology and not talking about amazing paradigm shifting exciting new development strategy forecast peace in our time god bless america I love you all thank you so much it's great to be alive at this time and goodnight.
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The GPL is not a contract; it's also not a "license agreement" like the MS EULA. It is a license, pure and simple. It doesn't say "You may not use this software in certain ways"; it says "You may copy and distribute this software in certain ways". It grants you privileges you would not otherwise have; that's what a license does. Without any license to do so, you have no right to copy the software (no "copy-right"); with a license, you do.
Contrast this with the MS EULA, which claims that by using the software, you are waiving certain rights which you would otherwise have. MS wants you to think that's a contract: in exchange for a "license to use" the software, you're agreeing to waive certain rights.
The thing is, you already had the right to use the software, because you bought a legally-made copy of it. When you buy a book, you have the right to use it, that is, to read it and make use of the information in it. The same applies to software, or any other work. This does not, of course, give you the right to distribute copies of these works; the right to use your purchase is not the same as the right to copy it.
So in fact the MS EULA is a waiver, not a contract: if you agree to it, you're waiving rights you had, but you're not getting anything in return. If you don't agree to it, you still have the right to use the software, just as if the EULA had never been written.
(A contract, FYI, requires an exchange of "considerations" --- goods, services, rights, or something else of value. If there isn't an exchange, there isn't a contract. The GPL isn't a contract because you're not giving the software author anything; the MS EULA isn't a contract because MS isn't giving you anything.)
(It may seem that under the GPL, you are giving the software author something: your agreement to follow the terms of the GPL. Yet this isn't the case. In fact, the terms of the GPL are the limits around the gift you are being given. If I give you an easement on my property, that you may fish in my pond from noon to 3PM on weekends, you aren't giving up a right to fish in my pond at other times; you never had such a right to give. Similarly, when you make a copy of GPLed software, you don't give up your right to turn it into a proprietary product; you never had such a right to begin with.)
In my non-lawyerly opinion, the GPL may freely apply to minors, because the minor isn't giving anything up; s/he is only receiving. Minors may, after all, receive gifts. However, the EULA may not apply to minors, because the minor is waiving rights s/he may not be competent to waive.
Neither is a "contract", but minors are protected from waivers as well as from contracts; they're not "protected" from being given gifts, which is what the GPL does.
The "One Important Question" link is broken (typo).
It's not a typo.
Here's the original link:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl ' sid=00/01/17/1119222&cid=110
Here's the fixed link:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid=00/01/17/1119222&cid=110
Note that instead of a ?, the broken link has a '. There's a bug in the script that converts the question marks in Roblimo's postings to tick marks. The script exists so that Roblimo's articles don't look like JonKatz?s. There's clearly some logic to prevent a ? at the end of a sentence from being converted, but it doesn't check to see if the ? is inside a URL.
That's my two cents, and I'm sticking to it...
The "One Important Question" link is broken (typo).
Fixed link here.
Anthony
"I think any time you expose vulnerabilities it's a good thing." -Attorney General Janet Reno