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Gnome Begins The 1.2 Freeze
A reader wrote to us with the news from Gnome.org stating that the freeze for 1.2 has begun. Gnome-core and gnome-applets 1.1.1 (Beantown) was released at the same time, but is meant for "advanced users and developers" so play carefully kids. This release marks the last release with new features until post-1.2 - a full list of the new features/fixes is in the changes list of 1.1.1.
Far over the crufty distros cold,
Through dependencies deep and rpms old,
We must QA ere break of day,
"Squash the bugs," we are cajoled.
The Gnomes of yore make mighty apps,
We wont fall for the same ole traps,
Download, install and test, please do,
And help us fill existing gaps.
While the Gnomes QA beneath the moon,
KDE hears the tramp of doom,
They rpm -e, their desktop falls,
Beneath our apps, it will be soon.
-- J.R.R Trollkien, son of Troll, son of Trall
Which is why I said "LiteDE".
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Somebody submitted a GNOME article, and the editors posted it, because a specific event happened involving the GNOME project within the last day or two. In particular, the release of a new development version, and a feature freeze in preparation for the next full release. This is new information.
Do you have any new information on KDE? Did some event of interest happen in the KDE world? If so, then submit a KDE article and hopefully the editors will post it. If not, there are lots of places where interested readers can look at old information on KDE.
Slashdot is biased towards new information; in other words, news. This is the way it should be.
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Just out of interest, what does Staroffice not working got to do with you changing from E to Sawmill? Staroffice crashing is a Staroffice fault, nothing to do with GNOME.
Slashdot is not biased towards GNOME. When KDE went into the feature freeze, it was mentioned on /.. Incidentally, what does what the Linux Journal publishes have to do with what /. publishes?
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Personally, I don't give a damn which desktop is prettier, nor what a poll would say at this point. The real issue for most users is (as you would guess) usability. How fast and how many mouse clicks (or keyboard shortcuts) does it take to perform a certain action (and is it even possible to perform this action?).
...). Then I can teach what I know to as many other users as possible. Kword looks to have great potential, but if AbiWord has what I need (not yet), I'd rather become familiar with that program as my standard word processor, since I can use it on Windows and Linux.
...). I know some people are keen on the idea that competition results in faster improvement. If this were true (and I'm not sure that it is), it would be even better to have each component in a class be compared with one another as opposed to comparing entire desktop projects. (e.g. which is more usable: Excel, StarChart, Gnumeric, Kspread, Oleo, or something else?). Last time I looked at http://sal.kachinatech.com/index.shtml, it didn't have direct comparisons, but perhaps this has changed.
I have used KDE 1.x a fair amount, briefly played with pre-2.0 (a lot of which is unusable), tried the most recent Redhat 6.1 binaries for GNOME, as well as some projects outside these two desktops (Netscape, Staroffice, Wordperfect). I find certain things easier in Gnome (the addressbook is much better than KDE's), other things easier in KDE, and certain things easier in outside projects. Hence mix and match is still the reality for me. In the future, if there is enough cross-fertilization and evolution, I might be happy doing everything in one project.
As far as the license thing goes, I only give a damn about QT not having the same status across platforms as does GTK. In my mind, I want to learn to use (and to contribute to one or two) software projects that are ported to as many OS platforms as possible (Linux/*BSD, Windows, Mac, OS/2, Be,
I'd love to see some sort of database on the web that compares the functionality of the components of the different projects (Gnome, KDE, Gnustep,
- dara (written with AbiWord for Windows)
And what, pray tell, is not Open Source about KDE? Every one of its files are either GPL, LGPL, Artistic, or BSD. Every one if its files, singly or collectively, may be freely distributed, modified or both.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
"High-quality open-source Desktop Environments available for your favorite unix-style OS: KDE, Gnome"
And coming up: Enlightenment as the "LiteDE".
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I think it's fairly obvious where the bias is here. Read your statement and think about what you are saying. First of all, I have looked at the /. stories related to Gnome and KDE. As a general rule when there is a newsworthy story related to either project, and it is submitted, it gets posted. As I look at the KDE news page, and the Gnome news page, then look at the stories that have made it to /. regarding either, I see a very evenly distributed coverage. Not every gnome item submitted makes it to /. and not every KDE item submitted makes it.
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it's all semantics...
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There are pieces of Gnome software that are rather buggy, yes. There are pieces of KDE software that are rather buggy as well. Overall, my personal experience with October Gnome has been exceptionally good. That is to say, the core elements of Gnome are wonderfully stable at this point. And many of the peripheral Gnome Applications such as Gnumeric, GnomeICU (with the release of 0.90, this is easily the best ICQ clone available), x-chat (the latest development version is incredible), grip (how could I live without this application?), and others, are absolutely top-notch in terms of stability, functionality, and usability.
I just changed from Enlightenment to Sawmill. Now StarOffice crashes when I try to run it. (That's not the only change I've made, I've upgraded other things.)
This clearly has nothing to do with Gnome. :)
Try looking elsewhere.
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"QT used the QPL to kill it. period."
With what? A gun? A knife? Don't be ridiculous. Harmony was started because Qt wasn't free. But when Qt became free, there was no longer any need for Harmony. No one was interested any more.
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This freeze is only for the gnome-core package, NOT for the whole of GNOME.
This is the most stable -- unstable gnome code I have ever used. I have had zero problems so far on a previously stock rh6.1 + gnome december rpm updates. Dont be afraid!... give it a whirl.
Note that gnome-core (panel, session manager, some other desktop components) will have a 1.2 release, but gnome-libs, control-center, and some other components will be jumping straight to 2.0 and will come out some months after gnome-core does. gnome-core will also get a 2.0 update. So this is not GNOME 1.2 but "Half of GNOME 1.2" the other half of GNOME will go straight to 2.0 over a longer timeframe.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Although I'm a little aprehensive, a buddy of mine has it up and running already and says it is very slow at times, he's still tweaking but not having much luck. However from what he says it's a GIANT leap in the right direction. Very slick.
The FTP links:
ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/ GNOME/unstable/sources/gnome-core/
ftp://ftp.gnome.org/p ub/GNOME/unstable/sources/gnome-applets/
Never knock on Death's door:
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
Because /. has run articles about the exact same things that the LJ article writes about. And they've had interviews with the KDE developers. I don't think there's more to write about KDE now! :)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
I just changed from Enlightenment to Sawmill. Now StarOffice crashes when I try to run it. (That's not the only change I've made, I've upgraded other things.)
So, now my machine is starting to behave like a Mac: upgrade a few things and watch other programs crash and burn from conflicts.
I like GNOME but so many of the associated applications are insanely buggy. I've had problems with GWeather, GNotes, the GNOME address book (it prints other people's information in the display panel mixed with the information of the person you look up --- at first I thought it was a user-input error but I verified it twice by creating new books and carefully entering in test cases).
So, while it's great that some of GNOME will come out as V1.2 --- how can we place a high standard on GNOME-based application software? OR is the problem that there's something unstable about GNOME that makes it hard to create stable application software???
why don't you give me your email address and we can continue this debate elsewhere? KDE has more applications that are further along, however, GNOME has a much stronger framework.
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High-quality open source operating systems for your computer: Many.
High-quality open-source graphical toolkits for your favorite unix-style OS: GTK, QT, FLTK, Tk
Bindings for your favorite language to your favorite unix-style graphical toolkit: Complete and comprehensive across all toolkits
High-quality open-source Desktop Environments available for your favorite unix-style OS: KDE, Gnome
High-quality open-source Window Managers you may use with either Desktop Environment: At least sixty to choose from.
Cost of any of the prior products: Marginal amounts of time and effort.
Financial cost of any of the prior products: Nominal to none.
Number of developers on aforementioned products: Thousands.
Their sum and total total obligation to you: Jack Shit.
Reasons to complain non-constructively about ANYTHING: None.
Catches: You have to be mature enough to use and modify high-quality warranty-free cost-free open-source software constructively. Whining, baseless complaining, vague, criticism, and political pot-shots reflect poorly on you, your technical skill, and your penis size. (if applicable)
-troll taker
How come I knew while I was waiting for this discussion to load that among the few articles already posted would be one saying "You mentioned GNOME but you didn't mention KDE (sniff)"?
By the way, you mentioned GNOME three times in your whine, but only mentioned KDE twice - you'd better hurry up and post a message that says "KDE-KDE-KDE" real quick, because your post shows that you are already aware that it's illegal to say "GNOME" in any context without saying "KDE" as well.
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It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Troll Tech does not control what platforms Qt may run on. The QPL is Open Source and Free Software, period. If you want a Win32 version of Qt there is nothing stopping you from porting it over. Nothing. So if this is your only complaint, get off your butt and start porting.
This is the Free Software Community. We are soveriegn. We are not sheep or serfs that blindly follow the whims of the masters. Here, we do things for ourselves. We are the ones who make things happen. Nobody's going to hold your hand or wipe your nose anymore. If you see that the world needs changing, go out and change it. Otherwise go back to Master Bill and his software/welfare world.
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KDE does freeze-up at the expense of being a qt.
he he, sort of flamebait, but oh, how true.
Never knock on Death's door:
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.