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A few bits and pieces on the BSD front in the recent past.
Scott Bartram announced that
JDK 1.1.8 is now
available for NetBSD-current/i386. Over at LinuxWorld, Jonathan
Bresler sent in this e-mail
about BSD related activities. Sun
are releasing
source code for NFS under the SISSL (and boosting funding for a Linux
only effort to implement v4, sigh). Anti Basic wants you to know that
you can now pre-order
FreeBSD 4.0 from the FreeBSD Mall. And
finally, this month's edition of DaemonNews hit the stands a few days
ago, including a particularly interesting article by Greg Lehey, outlining
his work on software
RAID, Vinum.
This isn't meant to be flamebait, or a troll. I really can't work this out, and I'd like to here what people have to say.
Link off deamonnews site ( here if you don't believe me)
Now, I wasn't there, so I may be wrong about this, but, I heard about the way some guy got up during the question time after Linus' keynote and asked him something about how he felt having all these companies moving to Linux, when BSD is a technicically superior operating system.
Linus handled it quite well, saying there is a place for both operating systems, etc, etc..
(From linuxworld.com:
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How do you get "dispargaged", or "feeling the heat" from that?
Now I use Linux, WinNT, and I've used NetBSD on a sun3, so don't call me an anti BSD bigot or something, but what the hell?
What's with the big chip on (it seems) most BSDers shoulders? Most Linux people know about BSD, but choose not to use it - perhaps from laziness, or whatever. Why do you get so annoyed about it? BSD has its places, and perhaps one day it will replace Linux, or Linux will replace it. Who cares?
And a comment like that, at Linuxworld.. well, if it had been on Slashdot, it would have been moderated out of existance as a Uber-Troll.
It's all free software, right? Please - enough of the stupid anti-Linux comments. Aim them at MS, or Solaris if you want more of a challenge/
If you are refering to the Walnut Creek CD's (which you probably are), then I believe that yes, some of the proceeds are donated to FreeBSD, bit they do make a profit out of it.
OTOH, I could sell you FreeBSD for $199.95, and not donate anything to the project, and I'd be nothing wrong. Is this a shock to you or something? You can do the same with Linux, you know - although with Linux you have to make the source code available, but with BSD you don't.
1. I imagine most of the primo showroom models turn up their nose at any tech show that isn't COMDEX.
2. Sexism isn't isolated to BSD, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to single it out. Women aren't prevalent in any field of computer technology: not BSD, not Linux, not hardware, nowhere. You'll find women in all of these fields, but face it -- computers are still a boy's club, and they're going to stay that way for a long time. I can't think of any sort of initiative that attempts to put more women into the industry. I feel sorry for those daemon babes. The second they walked in they must've been overwhelmed by the testosterone-laden geek stink.
We may just as well keep on saying "smart is sexy" until it's true. I'm not holding my breath.
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Remember when "Truth, Justice, & the American Way" wasn't contradictory?
It seems that the 1.1.8 RC1 JDK news item (BTW, from January 5th ;-)) is not announced here - this page has not been updated for five months. From netbsd.org I can 'only' find FTP links. Is there another 'official' NetBSD JDK page?
In the body of the FreeBSD distribution you'll find a great deal of GPL'd code, including the gcc compiler. However, that is GNU code, and not Linux code, per se. You'll also find code for Linux emulation (such as glibc), but that is used only for Linux emulation--FreeBSD applications use the BSD libc, under BSD license.
rwatson
if its geeked chicks that you are looking for check out bsd babes
(this one being my favorite)
I guess you missed it..
given *BSD's roots in McKusick's closet, I expect that daemon dudes would appeal to your large gay clientele....
Maybe 'bashing' is too strong a term, but for sure there is something screwey about complaining about sexism and then turning right around and hinting that the *BSD crowd has a disproportionate number of gays.
Red Hat, hell, think Debian if you're looking for an analogy to the free-software BSDs.
The page on the Debian site listing vendors of CDs says:
(It also says
which is again similar to FreeBSD, at least, and perhaps the other free-software BSDs.)
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Brian Fundakowski Feldman
Yes, they are. Sun's announcement says:
(emphasis mine).
Now, they have, in fact, released pre-TI-RPC source, and older versions of the TI-RPC source, under a rather unrestrictive license; one of those is used in FreeBSD (and probably the other BSDs; I don't have 4.4-Lite source handy at home to check whether it had that source, but I think it did) for userland ONC RPC support. I don't know whether glibc has its own independent ONC RPC implementation for stuff such as NIS.
I suspect that one reason they're releasing the current version of TI-RPC is that it will presumably include an implementation of GSSAPI authentication and of the Kerberos V5 flavor of same, to use as a sample implementation, given the comments about TI-RPC being "a key component of the security advancements in version 4" (which I think might refer to stronger authentication than AUTH_UNIX a/k/a AUTH_SYS being required).
"Releasing" in what sense? The NFS V2 spec and the NFS V3 spec (along with the ONC RPC spec, the XDR spec, the portmapper/RPCBIND spec, the specs for the DES and Kerberos (V4) authentication mechanisms for ONC RPC, the spec for the GSSAPI authentication mechanism in ONC RPC, and information on using Kerberos V5 as a GSSAPI flavor in ONC RPC) have been publicly available for a while. (The NFS specs also include the specs for the corresponding versions of the mount protocol, although they don't cover the small change Larry McVoy made to create V2 of the mount protocol; Sun screwed up and didn't put the lock manager protocol into the V2 spec, and the V3 spec only lists what changed between earlier versions and the lock manager V4 that goes with NFS V3, so for a while it was only available as part of an expensive X/Open document, but the "XNFS" document with it is now available online.)
>I want a daemon dude to pose with!
1) Ever try to find a GQ OpenSource coder? Most of them sit in front of keyboards all day long, typing and eathing chips/drinking dew.
2) Most show attendees are male. Most males are hetrosexual. Sex sells. (I leave it to you to connect the dots)
3) Think about noteable OpenSource coders. Imagine them in a provocative outfit, holding a pitchfork. Somehow Linus or Maddog in a thong is just not something most people want to see. (the wifes of both parties are excluded)
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
The next time I hear a Linuxite complaining that "there is no real BSD news left" or "this is just advocacy posing as news" whill have the entire printed sourced of kernel 2.3.41 down their throat. I saw a "news" story about kernel 2.3.41 the other day. No earth shattering additions, no hints at a code freeze, nothing. If the BSD 4.0 code freeze is nothing, then should anyone even consider the release of a devel kernel? Or the Linux code freeze? My question is this: Would the same people who don't consider the BSD 4 code freeze news also ignore a Linux 2.4 code freeze? Or an X4.0 code freeze? Or KDE 2.0... I didn't think so.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
"Anyone notice how there is no real bsd news?"
Gee, and what was all of last week? Every two-bit company porting a closed source ecommerce solution had a press release that was duly reported by the Linux press.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
No, I didn't get the joke. You can get FreeBSD, all of it, with sources, for zero dollars and no cents. Unlike the Linux world, FreeBSD has only a distributor. There are no soulless public corporations. No venture capitalists dictating how it is to be run. No IPOs.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
A much better question is how much of FreeBSD 4.0 is going to end up in Redhat 7.0.
Get real! Just take a look at Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, Caldera, Debian, et al, to see how much BSD software is ALREADY THERE. And not only is the software there, it is absolutely essential to the proper running of the GNU/BSD/X/Linux operating system.
Get a clue before you start raggin on BSD for doing what Linux has been doing since day one.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I'll hold my tongue on those arrogant Linux folks...
"So as far as I'm concerned, the Arrogant BSD people can just coordinate and create their own BSD shows and stay the hell out of Linux shows."
Very good idea. Let's keep LinuxWorld for just Linux. Throw out all the freeloaders. Throw out BSD, GNU, X, Gnome, KDE, and Perl, to name just a few. All you would have left would be Torvalds, distros and commercial concerns. Even Slashdot would have to leave.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
"I can't understand you "BSD is the one true way" people any more than the "linux everywhere" people."
I never claimed BSD to be the one true way, or even better than linux. As far as I can recall, I've only claimed that linux is *not* the one true way or the *only* free software OS. You're confusing me with someone else.
"I respectfully suggest that you kill yourself now for the good of the genepool?"
I beg your pardon? You are in error if you presume any of my descendents would ever stoop so low as to breed with any of yours.
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