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SANE 2000 Programme Announced
Brad writes: FreeBSD's Poul-Henning Kamp is giving a presentation entitled "Confining the Omnipotent Root", and you can read more about the presentation Joe Greco (no stranger to those of you at the cross-roads of USENET news administration and FreeBSD) is giving on the subject of how he has built a large (and highly scalable) USENET news server system on relatively inexpensive commodity components.
For the security-minded folks in the crowd who might be willing to look a bit further afield, you might be interested in the presentation Jon Lasser is giving on Bastille Linux (a ruggedized Red Hat, or the presentation that Guido van Rooij is doing on "Real Stateful TCP Packet Filtering in IP-filter".
SANE is running from May 22 to the 25th, at Maastrict in the Netherlands. Full program details, on-line registration, hotel information, reservation forms, and travel information can be found at the SANE Web site.
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Anyone got any news? Um. Withers, the Computer Science building here at NCSU, had an explosion today. It's also used for chemistry labs, and apparently someone did something careless with sulfuric acid and some potassium compound, and it went *boom*... So I got to miss my File Org class, but still had to turn in my project...
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If the portman/grits guy ever actually leaves slashdot.org? Everytime I check slashdot, there his posts are. Now thats dedication. Heh.
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I'm thinking you are the one who carves his initials into the desk and does a poor job at it. Your trolling is not appreciated. Your voice is heard but you are saying nothing. Do you matter? No.
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Then, there's the flip-side - areas noticably absent from the programme. Nothing on IPv6. Nothing on QoS. Nothing on Mobile IP and how it impacts security. With Linux supporting many different protocols, it's about time there was something on Native Protocol Translation (ie: sending data across networks not supporting the primary protocol, without the use of tunnels). Nope! Nothing on such matters.
The real free-rider problem (work may be a pure craftsman, one unconcerned with the dilution of reputation incentives than with protecting a craftsman's right to use the entire community by decreasing each potential contributor's perceived likelihood that gift/productive behavior will be able to invest needed time in the open-source culture; thus, ways of gaining status other than by peer repute are virtually absent.
I'm not faulting the people running this event - there's only a finite amount of time, only a finite amount of space, finite resources and only a finite number of people to run the programs. That means they will obviously have to pick and choose what they run, and it's just too bad for me if I would have liked a completely different line-up of events.
I didn't think so. Granted, linus is a good deal of open-sourcing (if you choose to do) is mistaken.
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Having recently been professionally obliged to spend three days on a beach as part of a conference I can say without hesitation that it's all about fun and travel.
It's also a really good way to meet new people, but don't let that get in the way of having a good time.
I noticed the SANE 2000 totally InSane quiz sample questions, one of which is the following:
What is the maximum airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
To which I can only reply:
African of European?
Cheers,
SuperG
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Being able to control who has root for what jobs is a very hairy task under Unix. Although having user accounts devoted to specific tasks in certain groups works for some things, ultimately it's all just a nasty hack on top of a "good enough" system...
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A good design for this would have to designate certain capabilities for a given user or task, and I imagine that it would get very complicated. That's one of the good things about groups under Unix: it does most of this, while still being pretty simple.
That having been said, it's still a lot better than a system where there's *only* a root account, or a system that is only designed to be used by one user, and needs ugly hacks to add to that...
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The sudo utility is great. With it you can give root access to users only for certain commands.
Certainly, using groups is very useful but, if you need more fine grained control sudo is the best way to go.
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Moderators != censorship, idiot.
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Moderation just lets users find the most relevant responses to the article.
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Occasionally meeting people in person does actually have some additional value, you know.
So what does flying to far off places give you, (other than fun/travel)? Is there any point/value to these things?
It's not far! Only about 3 hours by car or train. ;-P
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As co-author of the tamper-resistant IPSec paper I cannot resist to comment on this. The algoritms and methods presented will not be FreeS/WAN specific, they have to be IPSec compliant. For the implementation however we had to choose a platform of course, and we picked FreeS/WAN. You're free to incorporate the stuff into BSD's IPSec code if you want too... the code will probably GPL'ed though, so you can still whine about that.
Regarding the NIST's IPSsec implementation: did you bother to check where the authors live? Since we live in Germany and the Netherlands we cannot even get access to NIST's code, so we do not care about it!
The people doing this thing.. SANS... Seem to have industreal stringth clue.. at least to me :)
:)
Anyway I submit that Linux advocates should attend this as well as admin... It is useful to have a well rounded understanding of the real security issues (as apposed to FUD) of Unix in general and Windows... This will put you in a position of explainning the real security issues vs the science fiction of people mistereously having access to some computer after downloading the source code to same.
A well informed IT will know that security defects are located and repaired within Linux all the time. If you don't fix thies bugs some script kiddy will make use of them.
An IT dosn't want to update software every day. He'd rather go with something that dosn't put such a workload on him.
So he'd go with closed source as crackers don't have source code to aid them.
However decompilers have existed for years and as such a cracker can have source code for any program he desires. It dosn't recompile mind you but a cracker dosn't care about recompiling as long as he can discover and exploit a defect.
If your going to argue the value of Linux it will be nessisary to understand the issues as well as the guy who allready knows all the security issues. If you can not explain how security by obscurity is a farce you won't get very far.
And thats not the only issue... You should understand getting root vs getting admin... and be able to explain how to address any given Linux security issue as well as demonstrate how using Windows dosn't dodge the ball.
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Algorithms may, technically, be IPSec-generic, but in practice that is simply not practical. Why? Because the IPSec standard defines the inputs and outputs, but not what goes on in the middle. (Which, arguably, is what standards are -SUPPOSED- to do.)
But, if you don't know what goes on in the middle, how is it possible to define changes which would make IPSec tamper-resistant? How do you change the undefined in a controlled, predictable way?
As for the authors living in Germany & the Netherlands, that's not a particularly good reason, I'm afraid. With the relaxation of the crypto laws, all it would take is someone in the US to get the disk, publish it on a website, and you could download it legally. That you did not consider this possibility tells me that you didn't spend overly long considering the new US export laws, or the impact that would have on obtaining US crypto technology.
Sure, that might be too much trouble, but that's not what you said. You said you can't, which is simply not true, and hasn't been for some time.
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Cool. I didn't know that word about it had already gotten out. ;-)
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As for the rest, the Program Committee can only select from the material that is made available to them, and if we'd had good submissions on IPv6 or QOS, then they would be on the schedule. Heck, given how much we are personally interested in these topics, if we'd gotten any kind of submission on them, it would probably be on the schedule.
If you think that the program is light in certain areas, I'd encourage you to submit an abstract for a refereed paper or invited talk for SANE 2001, because community involvement is the only way that the conference will improve.
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One of the most fundamental points in all "Newbie FAQs" regarding electronic communications is that there is a lot of context lost when compared to even just talking to someone on the phone, much less talking to them in person. You can't hear their tone of voice, you can't hear their speech patterns, you can't get a feeling for what kind of emotions they're feeling (and trying to convey), etc....
;-), SHOUTING, etc.... However, it never really can compare to listening and talking to people in person.
Even videoconferencing falls short.
We frequently forget how important all these factors are in communications, because we have found ways to try to convey that sort of information electronically, using in-band methods such as smileys
Besides, how else are you going to meet people like Phil Zimmerman and get to personally thank the guy for everything he has done in the field of personal privacy and encryption rights? I don't know if Phil is going to be there this year, but he was really popular at SANE'98.
Who knows who you might meet and really get a chance to enjoy sitting down and having a beer (or whatever) with, if you don't attend?
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I agree, a really stupid and confusing name for a conference ciao Juergen
If the subjects for this year look interesting to you, I would definately advise you to go!
I haven't seen this years schedule, but I already feel like going there.
And make sure you see the insane quiz. SANE98 had Beatles and Monty Python categories, and it was hilarious!
System Administration and SANE. Aren't they like, opposites???
kwsNI
that's insane.
Get it?
inSANE. Ah, never mind.
Moderate to +7 classic or I will be forced to take your monopoly money and go to the 7-11 and get some big league chew and pixie sticks.
Here online we can have a 24x365 system admin conference. All without going out into the big blue room.
So what does flying to far off places give you, (other than fun/travel)? Is there any point/value to these things?
Noel
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Some of the stuff seemed overly OS/Implementation dependent. eg: The stuff on tamper-resistant IPSec could be applied to NRL's IPSec code for BSD4.4. The chances are, though, it'll be specific to FreeS/WAN, and won't even apply to NIST's IPSec implementation for Linux.
Then, there's the flip-side - areas noticably absent from the programme. Nothing on IPv6. Nothing on QoS. Nothing on Mobile IP and how it impacts security. With Linux supporting many different protocols, it's about time there was something on Native Protocol Translation (ie: sending data across networks not supporting the primary protocol, without the use of tunnels). Nope! Nothing on such matters.
I'm not faulting the people running this event - there's only a finite amount of time, only a finite amount of space, finite resources and only a finite number of people to run the programs. That means they will obviously have to pick and choose what they run, and it's just too bad for me if I would have liked a completely different line-up of events.
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:P. So I'm thinking, damn, /. will post anything, won't they. Turns out I wasn't far off. I'm having an informal bof session in my living room tommorrow night. I think I'll call it 'XMMS.'
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Cripes! What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!
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And now, please don't mention sticking a crown into someone's ass.
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I knew this was too good to be true! I thought it was an announcement of a sane programme for Windows 2000! I should have known better!
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Okay. That's who trolls the trolls.
Or maybe it was just Tuesday...
Is there some significance to the "from the NP:..dept." on this and the InterJet story? Will they have their own color scheme soon?
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
SAGE-AU is holding Australasia's premier System Administration Conference on the Gold Coast, Australia, from Mon 3rd to Fri 7th of July, 2000. Details are available online at www.sage-au.org.au/conf. Mon-Wed is 3 days of tutorials, with the conference proper Thu-Fri. Thursday evening is the conference dinner which is always a great night.
Having been to a number of sysadmin conferences I have to say I think they are a damn fine idea. It's a great chance to see what other people are doing and see how other organisations are solving the same problems you are facing.
Cheers,
Russell.
I've been using Sane 2000 for a week now.
My laundry has never been so fresh and vibrant!
Vibrant, get it? You rant so hard you go
into osslilations, funny huh!
where was I?
Keynote address
Blame Allocation:
the key to system administration in a world in which absolutely everyone uses the Internet and absolutely no one is in charge
Hmmmmmm...not to fault anyone either, but I would probably spend my time elsewhere...like AMSTERAM! Woo hOO! Cafe's! Chicks! Body piercing!
Of course, a keynote speech comparing and contrasting the various IPSEC platform/manufacturer interoperability and performance issues would probably be more exciting and informative for me. If anyone is planning on having a conference with this (or similar) as one of the topics or workshops, please feel free to let me know. I would like to attend.
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In other words a bunch of people are going to get together and download porn. That is what our network administrators do...
Not a single post in the last half hour? Yes, the story is uninteresting, but where are the trolls? Is Slashdot finally dying?
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