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Utah About to Sign Library Filtering Law
I am not a lawyer, but here's something interesting. The bill requires that any public library receiving state funds:
"...adopts and enforces a policy to restrict access by minors to Internet or online sites that contain obscene material."
"Obscene" is a term with strict legal meaning. The definition is, roughly, that the material must depict sexual conduct in an offensive way, must appeal to prurient interest as defined by community standards, and must lack serious scientific, literary, artistic, or political ("SLAP") value.
But no internet blocking software in existence blocks material according to these or any other legal criteria. For example, "sexualconduct" is defined by the state. Is mere nudity sexual conduct? Not according to most states. In Utah? I don't know. Does Smartfilter offer a Utah- or Utah-community-specific version? Of course not.
Most censorware programs just lump nudity in with hardcore obscenity. Their simple categories are aimed at the home or business market, after all, and there's no need to be very picky. Sometimes they just block any webpage with "sex" in the URL - no, I'm not making this up, that's the software they were pushing in Holland.
In other words, the only way to satisfy the requirements of the bill is to install software which violates the First Amendment by indiscriminately blocking protected material. The bill uses legal terms that no software can live up to.
Also, the bill offers no definition of "site." Is a site an entire domain? If so, then no minor may access Yahoo, because, at any given time, somewhere on geocities.yahoo.com, there is probably a (soon-to-be-decommissioned) free page with sexual content.
This is not an abstract problem. The Smartfilter software used in Utah at the time of our tests blocked the Wiretap archive, which blocked library patrons from reading the Bible, the U.S. Constitution, "Wuthering Heights," and many other legitimate and valuable texts. Not theoretically - in reality - we know because we read the proxy logs.
But after our report came out, they unblocked it - so now patrons could read about how to have sex with a horse, make drugs, and build an atomic bomb. Same archive. Two very different types of material.
So, should the entire Wiretap archive be blocked, or not? Or should the decision be made at the directory level? The file level? Granularity is important, and by using the sloppy word "site," the lawmakers have dodged the issue.
And they are not alone. Lawmakers in every state and at the federal level are looking at similar legislation. It'll be worded slightly differently every time, but none of it can get around the fundamental problem: computer algorithms aren't up to the task of categorizing human expression.
If and when the governor signs this into law, it will be an important marker in the struggle over filters. It will probably encourage other states to do the same. But, this isn't the final word; wait for the lawsuits to begin.
So, libraries who allow minors to access pron get their budgets whacked.
Bill repellation algorithm:
1) Quietly allow the law to be implemented.
2) Take your 8yr old nephew to the library (without his mother knowing about it of course)
3) Show him all the neat tricks that the lovely women of the internet can do with their genitalia.
4) Inform the librarians and the news media about the filth that the libraries let your nephew see, and with righteous indignation demand that the libraries funding be cut IMMEDIATELY as the law requires!!
5) Snicker inside as the politicians scramble to retroactively repeal the silly law when it's discovered that every library in the state is going to be shut down.
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The Mormon capitol of the world. Whether you share their beliefs or not, you have to respect them.
What if I am not a mormon what then? Public execution? whipped and beaten? I really shouldn't have to respect certain beliefs if I happen to just be in the same locality as you. Suppose I like to smoke, further suppose that you don't like smoking now besides that inate stupidity of smoking and the fact that I can die from cancer eventually does that give you an excuse to punch me in the face? No it dosn't.
No Smoking, No Boozing, No Coffee, no Tea, No Pre-Marital Sex and many other rules that may seem arcane to outsiders.
Only if you are actually part of the mormons these are not laws but ideas that they cary and ideas that really don't have much purpose.
I would have a very serious problem if my tax dollars were going directly to perform abortions. The people of Utah seem to have a problem with their tax dollars going to give people access to porn.
Giving unrestricted access to the internet is not the same as giving everyone a free adult check id number and free unmetered access to porn sites. Geez you do know don't you that access to most of the good porn sites is usually something you have to pay for don't you?
We all know that filtering doesn't work. Too many legitimate sites are blocked. And although I'd prefer a decision like this be done on a community by community basis, the people of Utah are within their rights to do this.
Boneheaded idea or not.
Unfortunately you are not correct. When you deal in first Ammendment issues you are dealing on the *FEDERAL* level of government and that means you have to take your cues from federal authorities and the laws that they make. Utah is not a country in and of it's own right and it dosn't get the right to change the constitution on a whim.
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IMHO, the only way Censoring will work is if someone takes the time to look through every file coming through the pipe: images, .html pages, .zip files, etc. Unless that's done, you risk blacklisting something that's valid.
Since that's theoretically impossible (and expensive) Censoring will not work.
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A page that I've found useful in the past is the ACLU's "Act Now!" section of their site. It contains updated information about various issues, as well as a free and easy way to fax, email and mail letters to your representative on certain issues--all by just filling in a zip code and some information. Currently there is a page dedicated to information about bills dealing with mandating filtering in libraries. There is the usual way to contact representatives included as well. Take a look.
http://www.aclu.org/action/jjfilteri ng106.html
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Blocking the letters "sex" in URLs is foolish anyway, simply because "sex" can appear in other ways than porno sites. (I can't come up with a good example, but I guess resex for "RESearch EXample" might work as one?)
Another question is how filtering would really help? These computers are in public areas anyway. So if you're looking at porn, chances are someone will notice. Besides, I've seen people look up porn in my high school library - they were looking up something for a report, wound up clicking a link off a search engine which turned out to be a porn site. (Even better, the site wiped the Back buffer, and they couldn't figure out how to get off it...)
If the computers are in public areas, why would someone try looking up porn on them in communities that don't allow it anyway? Would anyone out there sit down at your library and start surfing your favorite porn sites? Probably not. And if you do, then the library can ask you to leave by creating policies which state that the USER must not engage in accessing obscene materials. Move the filtering off a computer algorithm and onto the people using it.
Most minors (notice I said most, as in not all, and I'm talking people around the age of 12) I know only use the Internet for reports or to find cheats to the latest video game craze. They aren't looking for porn because they know they'll get caught. And if they wind up on a porn site, then that came from following a poor choice of links anyway. Usually, their parent or teacher (or a librarian) is looking over the person using the Internet anyway.
This is ONLY a problem when someone uses the Internet unsupervised, and most parents should supervise what their children do ANYWAY (especially for TV, another hot issue). This is something that the parent or guardian of the minor should be doing, not something a legal institution. If parents can't be trusted to protect their children, then our society has a real problem.
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Let's face it: it's a valid concern of ordinary people, not just the holier-than-thou extremists. (no flames, please). Assuming that an answer has to be found, wouldn't it be better if we could help guide it into an acceptable form?
I know we probably don't have the legal know-how to make it tight and binding (that's probably state-specific anyway), but maybe we could provide the tech-aware attitude that a lot of this kind of legislation is missing.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's already an effort along these lines. Anyone know of such?
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The Mormon capitol of the world. Whether you share their beliefs or not, you have to respect them.
No Smoking, No Boozing, No Coffee, no Tea, No Pre-Marital Sex and many other rules that may seem arcane to outsiders.
I would have a very serious problem if my tax dollars were going directly to perform abortions. The people of Utah seem to have a problem with their tax dollars going to give people access to porn.
We all know that filtering doesn't work. Too many legitimate sites are blocked. And although I'd prefer a decision like this be done on a community by community basis, the people of Utah are within their rights to do this. Boneheaded idea or not.
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Let me get this straight, its okay for people to enact laws that violate the rights of people as long as a majority of the people want it.
Here are a few you'd probably get past in several US states
1) All individuals who don't go to a Christian Church are to be registered and this will be marked on their driving license.
2) If a majority of people determine that an individual is subversive that individual is required to carry an identity card at all times.
3) Evolution (the theory of descent through modification and natural selection) is not to be taught.
The "people" does not mean 100% it means either a majority of the vote or a vocal minority. A lot of these censorship and anti-evolution type bills can be reduced to the distorted application of supposed "Christian" morality. This small mindedness can be very dangerous if allowed to continue. How highly do you value the first ammendment ? Should Utah or any other state be allowed to restrict it because they don't like you to see certain things and their approach to preventing anyone seeing these pages is to stop anyone seeing various other completely safe pages.
This is censorship by bigotry, if the Netherlands has no such censorship and yet has lower crime, teenage pregnancy etc etc than almost everyone else (especially the States) then what is the point of these actions ?
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2. The Governor of said state signs the bill into law, taking a brave stand in the fight against the moral chaos of the WWW.
3. The law gets struck down in court, because it just doesn't work and restricts other information.
4. The legislators and governor shrug their shoulders and say they tried their best, but the godless ACLU and other legal weasals subverted their best efforts to protect the American family.
Just another sorry episode in the saga of American politics. There's simply nothing to deter these morons from enacting an obviously ineffective and unconstitutional law. Instead, the incentive is to push ahead and try SOMETHING, just to look like they're on the job.
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According to this definition, a serious case can be made to censor some parts of the Bible. Take Genesis chapter 19, for example, which depicts the destruction of Sodom. That chapter ends with Lot having sex with his two daughters, and impregnating them with children. From those two children came the tribes of the Moabites and the Ammonites.
According to the comments in my catholic Bible, this chapter was meant to defame those two tribes, which were Israel's enemies at the time the text was written. Which means we have here a text with descriptions of perverted sex (incest) written solely to advance a political agenda of hate.
Let's try to look at it from another angle: suppose Saddam Hussein wrote a text describing Bill Clinton having sex with his daughter Chelsea. Would this be acceptable reading for children at a Utah public library?
Supermen are superthinkers; anything else is a side issue.
The first is the necessity of filtering publicaly accessible Internet content. It is obvious to me that there are certain types of sites that I simply don't want my kids looking at -- whether it be at home at school or at the public library. It is a shame that such sites are even on the Internet in the first place. I would be most supportive of blocking such sites at publicaly accessible terminals -- inasmuch as they were all that was blocked.
This leads to the second aspect of this situation. The effectiveness of the tools which are currently being used to do this job. As the above cited study shows, they currently fail miserabely.
It is definitely wrong to block valid sites in a blind attempt to block obscene material. If lawmakers are considering the use of software to do this trick, they must also consider the full implications of such an approach.
In order for it to be effective without overstepping its bounds, such software (whatever its fundamental approach) would require a large amount of human feedback and interaction. Admitidly this would be much more expensive than a blind approach, but should lawmakers want to accomplish something, they must consider the cost of truely accomplishing their goal.
This basicaly comes down to the fact that lawmakers should not dodge the issue by implementing a quick-fix, but should fully consider all of the implications of their decisions.
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The bill doesn't require software filters; it requires a policy .
So, a library could just put up a notice about not accessing illegal materials.
They can hardly be expected to
Some people might think 2. or 3. is feasible, but here's why not: many library catalogs are online today. How are they supposed to keep minors from seeing the records for material owned by that library or by other libraries that may share the catalog? Have you seen any software filter which claims to work on online library catalogs? (And if the software companies do make this claim, I, for one, would be horrified at implementation of the capability, doubly so if imposed by law.)
Filter or not, grandstanding or not, this is a bad law.
They might just as well say,