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Yahoo! TV Coverage reports that the project to remake Planet of the Apes has gotten the green light. " Wow. I'm stunned. Tim Burton...and Planet of the Apes.
First off, the rights in the Bill of Rights aren't granted by the government - they're merely acknowledged. These are rights which are deemed to be inherent just by virtue of being a person. Nor is it a comprehensive list of rights. Sadly, they are often infringed upon, but no matter how common oppression might be, that's never an excuse for it.
Furthermore, much of the point of the 2nd amendment (along with virtually all of the rest of the Bill of Rights) is to ensure that an oppressive government can't assume power. The spark that finally ignited the Revolutionary War was an attempt by the British military to sieze a cache of weapons stored at Concord, MA. In that war, a very disorganized coalition of guerrillas with some outside assistance managed to take down one of the stronger militaries at that time. This was very much in the minds of the framers of the Constitution, given as how they had just lived through it.
The 2nd amendment is (imho) the ultimate check on the government. If it ever becomes sufficiently oppressive (remember that the 18th century American revolutionaries represented a minority of the population - many people were neutral, played both sides, or were loyal to England) it is no longer a legitimate government. It then deserves to be overthrown.
While it's absurd to think that lots of small arms are enough to achieve this, in the sorry event that it becomes necessary, when combined with guerrilla tactics and as much of the military as respects the Constitution and the people above any particular illegal order or commander, there may be a fighting chance. After all, the government can't afford to kill everyone - who would support their needs?
(more recently, Viet Nam defeated us through smart tactics, perseverance, outside help and America lacking freedom of movement; Afghanistan defeated the USSR similarly; and it took two atomic bombs, which were new at the time, to keep Japan from doing this to the US in WWII)
While not every other country operates under this principle (China used to have periodic rebellions whenever it was time for a new dynasty to assume power and that's pretty similar), we're hardly the only country where arms are commonplace. Switzerland and Israel come to mind immediately.
But I don't think that anyone seriously believes that people hunt with assault rifles. You get assault rifles because you're worried that one day you won't be able to get assault rifles, but that you'll need them.
As for Columbine - you did know that their original plan was to set off a propane bomb and kill a very large amount of people right away? Substitute propane for black powder and it's still within the realm of possibility for 18th century wackos to get about the same effect. Do you propose to make propane illegal too?
Civilians don't need the big big guns under normal circumstances, I'll grant. But the only circumstances when they are necessary are the exact ones where they're impossible to get. Me, I have too little confidence in people to assume that the government would run legitimately in the absence of a check and balance system. So I'll pile on all the checks and balances I can get, thanks.
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The problem with Burton is that he can't direct action sequences out of a paper bag.
In my opinion, Sleepy Hollow's fight/action sequences were choppy, though better than earlier works such as Batman or Beetlejuice.
Burton is good on visuals, especially those dark, neo-gothic celluloid moments. But I hope he farms out the action sequences, maybe to David Fincher, who did an awesome job with Fight Club.
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What the hell is wrong with Hollywood!? I am so sick and tired of remakes and obvious derivitives. It's so pathetic. Hollywood is drowning in cash and talent and they can't come up with an original screenplay once in a while? Good God, there must be a million hacks out there typing a way like gangbusters and they're going to remake Planet of the Apes?
Why? WHY?!
What, the original wasn't good enough?
I say if you liked the original, boycott the remake. Tell Hollywood you've had enough.Don't waste your hard earned money on something you've already seen, and probably won't be as good as the original anyway.(Seriously, name a remake that was as good or better than the original. Hell name a movie version of a TV show that was better than the original.)
Is TMBG gonna be on the soundtrack? They have a song for every Planet of the Apes movie ever made... If you wanna hear em, they are the "hidden" tracks on their live album, Severe Tire Damage. My personal fav is "Escape from the Planet of the Apes." Awww yeah.
Eric
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bulk starkness of original
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It should be noted that the original Planete des Singes of Pierre Boulle in French featured a huge amount of nudity, and the star character experiences a lot of it at close quarters. Will the remake follow the book accurately? If so, it will not be able to be screened in the USA -- only France!
Maybe he can get Charleston Heston for this one, too...
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Re:Risking OT moderation here, but......
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Again, somewhat offtopic, but I'm originally from Welling, just down the road:) And my friend lived just a few houses down from the bus stop Stephan Lawrence was murdered at, and at least some of them definitely did it, because she knew a lot of the same people as them. But that'll never be proven now in a criminal court unfortunately.
Re:Not exactly a remake...
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hey man, this is simply not a joking matter. i refuse to live in a house without stairs for fear of the daleks.
Planet of the Apes is liberal propaganda
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Tuxedo+Mask
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This is a point which has bothered me for some time. Is Planet a true Marxist critique of colonial extremism, or a hyperreal rationalization of Malthusian diametrics? In this case, rather than examining Planet qua planet, it is more helpful to consider it a later parable with the confluence of pure Boltzmannian counting on the human spectrum. In this perception, the apes themselves other the ultimately deracinated Taylor (Charleton Heston), even as he others the "Planet" itself. Taylor becomes nothing more than a Maxwell's demon, taken together with the implied conflict(s) of so-called pure information. This false conflict is not resolved, but exists for itself with the proper metrics of entropy and free energy. This is shown most clearly in the movie when the doll accuses with the voices of the dead, and the Statue with none at all, belying the paradox inherent in his notion of free will. In the final scene, Taylor has at last subsumed accusation beyond the "real" world, showing allegorically that he intrinsically and unavoidably personalizes the reality of and for himself, as must all free beings. And indeed, this is both the first, and last, stern message of "Liberty" herself.
Risking OT moderation here, but......
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TuRRIcaNEd
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Right. Planet Of The Apes had practically NO racist agenda that I have ever seen (The worst offender here tends to be the earlier Disney movies, where every character is whiter than white, except the bad guys/comic relief). The whole central tragedy of the series (to me, at least)is that the apes were doomed to repeat the failure of their human predecessors by either deliberately or unwittingly adopting the worst aspects of human culture (Censorship and denial to promote the advancement of the few, usually those already in power, and blatant cronyism keeping it there). As you can see, from this viewpoint, the film still has relevance today, except the power in the real world has shifted from governments to multi-bilion dollar corporations. Not only that, but the original Apes movies packaged it in a way that children could understand, and I think, as the future of our species, they have a right to know things.
Now, back to the 'geeks are naturally racist' comment. I am a geek. Possibly a nerd. I am also originally from Bexleyheath, in the south-east of England. For those who don't keep up on race issues internationally, not least have never heard of the horrible little town (not saying you should, just a bit of background info here), a few miles away, in Eltham, a black teenager was stabbed, by at least five white thugs. He was waiting at a bus stop on the road I walked down to get home from school. I have always been liberal, and vehemently anti-racist, but I made a point of joining every organisation I could to prevent this crap from happening again, against the 'advice' of the many bigots who live around the area. I signed up with the Anti-Nazi League, made donations out of the £20 I got a week for working on a flower stall, went on marches, the lot. Now, I'm not going for sainthood here, and I can't deny a level of ingrained prejudice against some groups, but I do my best to confront and destroy them, with the mantra that being a dickhead is not restricted to any colour, creed, caste or religion. I am prejudiced, yes, against violent people, bigoted people, and those who make others' lives a misery, but I am by no means racist, and, to tar geeks with a brush like that is either flamebait, in which case this rant was completely unnecessary, and should be moderated into a quasar, or one of the nastiest, most ill-informed assumptions I have ever seen.
For what it's worth, it will be interesting to see what Burton does with '...Apes'. It would be cool to see a darker, slower-paced side to the tale.
Sorry for the rant, but I do find ill-informed bigotry inexcusable, as it's a crime I perpetrate far too often.
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I thought so. At the bottom of it, a worthless, gutless, halfwit coward. Go find a clue, and some balls to go with it.
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"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Re:You know... (somewhat OT)
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Yeah, not much of a contingency plan when there's only one female and she gets the bad freezer. Duh.
Not to mention the fact that females reproduce serially, while males can reproduce in parallel. Serious performance bottleneck, even if she'd survived.
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"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
I truly beg to differ - I found Edward Scissorhands, The Nighmare Before Christmas, and especially Ed Wood were all strongly visual yet fundamentally story/theme driven.
I haven't yet seen Ed Wood (and I've been meaning to forever), but I thought both the other films meandered quite a bit. And I'd certainly say they were fundamentally visual. Though I liked them, mind you, story and all, and I hope I'm not appearing too harsh.
We'll probably just have to agree to disagree here. I've always been struck with Burton's talent, but his movies never seem, to me, really polished, never quite perfect. I think he could really use an editor. I think the right team could take Burton's films to the next level... greatness. Sort of like what George Martin and Phil Spector did (IMHO) for the Beatles.
Actually, you know an author whose work would be perfect for Burton to adapt? E.T.A. Hoffmann. Nutcracker and the King of Mice - the original, not the silly opera - would be a great Burton project. Dark, weird, somewhat offbalance itself, but compelling, and intensely visual.
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"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Tim Burton will, I think, be making a completely different film. It may have the same story roughly, but given his approach to past films (namely the Batmans he directed, and more recently Sleepy Hollow), it will probably be a lot darker than the original, which was in the main quite a bright and at least fairly cheery film despite the subject matter and the ending.
Be prepared for the Apes to profess an interest in darkened dungeons and torture chambers...
The nuclear annihilation of the world as we know it was bright? The vivisection and stuffing of intelligent human beings was cheery?
When done by Kim Novak in a monkey costume, yes.
Re:charlton heston comes full cirle
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No, today he would say that if the Black guy who got his brain cut out in the movie, had a gun those Apes would have not messed with him.
Or if his character would have had his 2nd Admendment rights, he would have not been captured in the first place.
And last, but not least. If the humans in the movie had legel access to guns, they would not be oppressed by the Apes.
But lets not forget the tyranny of Ape government would have been kept in check by the people if they were NRA members!
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Where's the 'bullshit' moderation option?
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What I'm really concerned with is your claim that computer geeks are one of the most racist groups in society because they don't meet any black people.
What about the computer geeks that are black people? They must have a hard time dealing with their ancestry versus their hatred of black people. (I'm being sarcastic)
Or are you suggesting that black people can't be computer geeks? If this is the case, I'd have to wonder just who the racist is.
I happen to believe that computer geeks don't care much about race. So maybe I'm a little idealistic. When we meet and discuss here on/. we don't ask what someone's ancestry is before we support or denounce their position. We judge people soley on their intelligence, accuracy, and writing skills.
That's just my take on things.
Just an aside: Maybe I'm in the wrong generation or country, but I have never heard of ape used to describe black people (I'm not doubting that this happenes, I've just never heard of it before).
About this whole Planet of the Apes thing: I happen to like Tim Burton. I will definately re-watch some of his films for hints of racism though.
Original story is much darker ...
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Tim Burton usually does the stories much darker. If you read the original book (it's in French ho hum) it is very dark. The apes are much much further advanced than the humans, not so much the humans de-evolved as were overtaken.
articles detailing this films 'evolution'...
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This has dropped through so many hands so far. Glad to see Burton was able to get a hold of it.
Here's a story about how James Cameron was going to do it. That article also mentions how Oliver Stone had been named as a possible director and Arnold Swarzanegger as the lead role. Now that Burton appears to be in charge, I would be very surprised if the Terminator was sent to dispatch all those damn hairy apes with a mini gun.
The story of Sleepy Hollow has been told before. I'm sure we all knew how Batman was going to end. Hell, the only movie I can think of offhand that has a really cool ending is Star Wars. Even after 16 years of avoiding the film, when I saw it, I was suprised. Even though I knew a few key points, just from pop-culture references.
The point is, not all movies are made because they have a suprise ending. We all know the guy usually gets the girl, and the hero never dies. It's the films that mean something that matter. Films that touched us. Made us laugh. Made us cry. The classics. Remaking classics has always been a bit of a challenge for well-known directors. And it's always interesting to see the story from another point of view.
I think a Burton putting a spin on this one just might be enough to make me cough up 7 bucks.
Never mind the fact that he allowed the Batman franchise to be ruined and screwed over Kevin Smith
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Planet of the Apes made use of popular preconceptions of the great apes that are wrong.
Gorillas are docile herbavores. Chimpanzees are intelligent, but violent and warring. Orangatans are solitary. It would be a far more interesting movie if the ape society is extrapolated from the real dispositions of the apes.
I have to say, I have my doubts about Tim Burton and this film. He's one of those visual guys - almost strictly visual - and Planet of the Apes is very much story-driven.
It wasn't really a movie which depended on creating an atmosphere; it was more cerebral than that. It was loudly metaphorical, and Taylor was more a abstraction than a character. He was Man. Or rather a facet of Man, distilled in such a way as to promote the writer's point. It was meant to be disturbing.
And I just have a hunch Burton's going to miss a lot of that. Without replacing it with another metaphor, either. Burton's films lack discipline and direction. That can be okay if you're trying for a simple visual experience, but Planet of the Apes seems a poor choice for that.
But then, I thing Lucas has similar problems (and talents), and I disliked The Phantom Menace for similar reasons... your mileage may vary.:-)
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"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Confirmation, http://us.imdb.com/Title?0133152
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"Oh shit. There goes the planet."
Wasn't Tim Burton going to direct the live-action Astroboy film? Will this be delayed or will it be directed by someone else?
Wow, you're really trolling today, huh.
First off, the rights in the Bill of Rights aren't granted by the government - they're merely acknowledged. These are rights which are deemed to be inherent just by virtue of being a person. Nor is it a comprehensive list of rights. Sadly, they are often infringed upon, but no matter how common oppression might be, that's never an excuse for it.
Furthermore, much of the point of the 2nd amendment (along with virtually all of the rest of the Bill of Rights) is to ensure that an oppressive government can't assume power. The spark that finally ignited the Revolutionary War was an attempt by the British military to sieze a cache of weapons stored at Concord, MA. In that war, a very disorganized coalition of guerrillas with some outside assistance managed to take down one of the stronger militaries at that time. This was very much in the minds of the framers of the Constitution, given as how they had just lived through it.
The 2nd amendment is (imho) the ultimate check on the government. If it ever becomes sufficiently oppressive (remember that the 18th century American revolutionaries represented a minority of the population - many people were neutral, played both sides, or were loyal to England) it is no longer a legitimate government. It then deserves to be overthrown.
While it's absurd to think that lots of small arms are enough to achieve this, in the sorry event that it becomes necessary, when combined with guerrilla tactics and as much of the military as respects the Constitution and the people above any particular illegal order or commander, there may be a fighting chance. After all, the government can't afford to kill everyone - who would support their needs?
(more recently, Viet Nam defeated us through smart tactics, perseverance, outside help and America lacking freedom of movement; Afghanistan defeated the USSR similarly; and it took two atomic bombs, which were new at the time, to keep Japan from doing this to the US in WWII)
While not every other country operates under this principle (China used to have periodic rebellions whenever it was time for a new dynasty to assume power and that's pretty similar), we're hardly the only country where arms are commonplace. Switzerland and Israel come to mind immediately.
But I don't think that anyone seriously believes that people hunt with assault rifles. You get assault rifles because you're worried that one day you won't be able to get assault rifles, but that you'll need them.
As for Columbine - you did know that their original plan was to set off a propane bomb and kill a very large amount of people right away? Substitute propane for black powder and it's still within the realm of possibility for 18th century wackos to get about the same effect. Do you propose to make propane illegal too?
Civilians don't need the big big guns under normal circumstances, I'll grant. But the only circumstances when they are necessary are the exact ones where they're impossible to get. Me, I have too little confidence in people to assume that the government would run legitimately in the absence of a check and balance system. So I'll pile on all the checks and balances I can get, thanks.
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We've only got a short time!
Everyone get into your apesuits!
Oh. Wait. We did that already...
Never mind.
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than having to go through all that tedious "having an original idea" stuff.
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If Charlton Heston plays Taylor again, I'd LOVE to see this line of dialogue:
Dr. Zaius: Ridiculous, Taylor! Guns don't kill humans, APES kill humans!
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Is Planet a true Marxist critique of colonial extremism, or a hyperreal rationalization of Malthusian diametrics?
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I recommend you submit your letter to the editors of Social Text.
The problem with Burton is that he can't direct action sequences out of a paper bag.
In my opinion, Sleepy Hollow's fight/action sequences were choppy, though better than earlier works such as Batman or Beetlejuice.
Burton is good on visuals, especially those dark, neo-gothic celluloid moments. But I hope he farms out the action sequences, maybe to David Fincher, who did an awesome job with Fight Club.
46. The Hobo smiles, his eyes glaze over, and he burps. "Beware the man who has lived longer than the Wasteland."
Sure, just make sure Winona (drooool...) is in it, and I'm there!
note: this post contains gratuitous references to Natalie Portman
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
What the hell is wrong with Hollywood!? I am so sick and tired of remakes and obvious derivitives. It's so pathetic. Hollywood is drowning in cash and talent and they can't come up with an original screenplay once in a while? Good God, there must be a million hacks out there typing a way like gangbusters and they're going to remake Planet of the Apes?
Why? WHY?!
What, the original wasn't good enough?
I say if you liked the original, boycott the remake. Tell Hollywood you've had enough.Don't waste your hard earned money on something you've already seen, and probably won't be as good as the original anyway.(Seriously, name a remake that was as good or better than the original. Hell name a movie version of a TV show that was better than the original.)
Is TMBG gonna be on the soundtrack? They have a song for every Planet of the Apes movie ever made... If you wanna hear em, they are the "hidden" tracks on their live album, Severe Tire Damage. My personal fav is "Escape from the Planet of the Apes." Awww yeah.
Eric
Make it idiot-proof and someone will build a better idiot.
It should be noted that the original Planete des Singes of Pierre Boulle in French featured a huge amount of nudity, and the star character experiences a lot of it at close quarters. Will the remake follow the book accurately? If so, it will not be able to be screened in the USA -- only France!
Maybe he can get Charleston Heston for this one, too...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Again, somewhat offtopic, but I'm originally from Welling, just down the road :) And my friend lived just a few houses down from the bus stop Stephan Lawrence was murdered at, and at least some of them definitely did it, because she knew a lot of the same people as them. But that'll never be proven now in a criminal court unfortunately.
hey man, this is simply not a joking matter. i refuse to live in a house without stairs for fear of the daleks.
This is a point which has bothered me for some time. Is Planet a true Marxist critique of colonial extremism, or a hyperreal rationalization of Malthusian diametrics? In this case, rather than examining Planet qua planet, it is more helpful to consider it a later parable with the confluence of pure Boltzmannian counting on the human spectrum. In this perception, the apes themselves other the ultimately deracinated Taylor (Charleton Heston), even as he others the "Planet" itself. Taylor becomes nothing more than a Maxwell's demon, taken together with the implied conflict(s) of so-called pure information. This false conflict is not resolved, but exists for itself with the proper metrics of entropy and free energy. This is shown most clearly in the movie when the doll accuses with the voices of the dead, and the Statue with none at all, belying the paradox inherent in his notion of free will. In the final scene, Taylor has at last subsumed accusation beyond the "real" world, showing allegorically that he intrinsically and unavoidably personalizes the reality of and for himself, as must all free beings. And indeed, this is both the first, and last, stern message of "Liberty" herself.
Now, back to the 'geeks are naturally racist' comment. I am a geek. Possibly a nerd. I am also originally from Bexleyheath, in the south-east of England. For those who don't keep up on race issues internationally, not least have never heard of the horrible little town (not saying you should, just a bit of background info here), a few miles away, in Eltham, a black teenager was stabbed, by at least five white thugs. He was waiting at a bus stop on the road I walked down to get home from school. I have always been liberal, and vehemently anti-racist, but I made a point of joining every organisation I could to prevent this crap from happening again, against the 'advice' of the many bigots who live around the area. I signed up with the Anti-Nazi League, made donations out of the £20 I got a week for working on a flower stall, went on marches, the lot. Now, I'm not going for sainthood here, and I can't deny a level of ingrained prejudice against some groups, but I do my best to confront and destroy them, with the mantra that being a dickhead is not restricted to any colour, creed, caste or religion. I am prejudiced, yes, against violent people, bigoted people, and those who make others' lives a misery, but I am by no means racist, and, to tar geeks with a brush like that is either flamebait, in which case this rant was completely unnecessary, and should be moderated into a quasar, or one of the nastiest, most ill-informed assumptions I have ever seen.
For what it's worth, it will be interesting to see what Burton does with '...Apes'. It would be cool to see a darker, slower-paced side to the tale.
Sorry for the rant, but I do find ill-informed bigotry inexcusable, as it's a crime I perpetrate far too often.
- "How do we do it? Volume!" - The Bursar of Unseen University.
I thought so. At the bottom of it, a worthless, gutless, halfwit coward. Go find a clue, and some balls to go with it.
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Not to mention the fact that females reproduce serially, while males can reproduce in parallel. Serious performance bottleneck, even if she'd survived.
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
I haven't yet seen Ed Wood (and I've been meaning to forever), but I thought both the other films meandered quite a bit. And I'd certainly say they were fundamentally visual. Though I liked them, mind you, story and all, and I hope I'm not appearing too harsh.
We'll probably just have to agree to disagree here. I've always been struck with Burton's talent, but his movies never seem, to me, really polished, never quite perfect. I think he could really use an editor. I think the right team could take Burton's films to the next level... greatness. Sort of like what George Martin and Phil Spector did (IMHO) for the Beatles.
Actually, you know an author whose work would be perfect for Burton to adapt? E.T.A. Hoffmann. Nutcracker and the King of Mice - the original, not the silly opera - would be a great Burton project. Dark, weird, somewhat offbalance itself, but compelling, and intensely visual.
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Zira: You wouldn't hurt me, would you Taylor?
Taylor: *squish*
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Hey, I found the script of the original online!
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
Tim Burton will, I think, be making a completely different film. It may have the same story roughly, but given his approach to past films (namely the Batmans he directed, and more recently Sleepy Hollow), it will probably be a lot darker than the original, which was in the main quite a bright and at least fairly cheery film despite the subject matter and the ending.
Be prepared for the Apes to profess an interest in darkened dungeons and torture chambers...
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No, today he would say that if the Black guy who got his brain cut out in the movie, had a gun those Apes would have not messed with him.
Or if his character would have had his 2nd Admendment rights, he would have not been captured in the first place.
And last, but not least. If the humans in the movie had legel access to guns, they would not be oppressed by the Apes.
But lets not forget the tyranny of Ape government would have been kept in check by the people if they were NRA members!
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What I'm really concerned with is your claim that computer geeks are one of the most racist groups in society because they don't meet any black people.
/. we don't ask what someone's ancestry is before we support or denounce their position. We judge people soley on their intelligence, accuracy, and writing skills.
What about the computer geeks that are black people? They must have a hard time dealing with their ancestry versus their hatred of black people. (I'm being sarcastic)
Or are you suggesting that black people can't be computer geeks? If this is the case, I'd have to wonder just who the racist is.
I happen to believe that computer geeks don't care much about race. So maybe I'm a little idealistic. When we meet and discuss here on
That's just my take on things.
Just an aside: Maybe I'm in the wrong generation or country, but I have never heard of ape used to describe black people (I'm not doubting that this happenes, I've just never heard of it before).
About this whole Planet of the Apes thing: I happen to like Tim Burton. I will definately re-watch some of his films for hints of racism though.
Tim Burton usually does the stories much darker. If you read the original book (it's in French ho hum) it is very dark. The apes are much much further advanced than the humans, not so much the humans de-evolved as were overtaken.
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This has dropped through so many hands so far. Glad to see Burton was able to get a hold of it.
Here's a story about how James Cameron was going to do it.
That article also mentions how Oliver Stone had been named as a possible director and Arnold Swarzanegger as the lead role. Now that Burton appears to be in charge, I would be very surprised if the Terminator was sent to dispatch all those damn hairy apes with a mini gun.
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The story of Sleepy Hollow has been told before. I'm sure we all knew how Batman was going to end. Hell, the only movie I can think of offhand that has a really cool ending is Star Wars. Even after 16 years of avoiding the film, when I saw it, I was suprised. Even though I knew a few key points, just from pop-culture references.
The point is, not all movies are made because they have a suprise ending. We all know the guy usually gets the girl, and the hero never dies. It's the films that mean something that matter. Films that touched us. Made us laugh. Made us cry. The classics. Remaking classics has always been a bit of a challenge for well-known directors. And it's always interesting to see the story from another point of view.
I think a Burton putting a spin on this one just might be enough to make me cough up 7 bucks.
Never mind the fact that he allowed the Batman franchise to be ruined and screwed over Kevin Smith
"Get your scissorhands off me, you damn dirty stinking ape!"
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Planet of the Apes made use of popular preconceptions of the great apes that are wrong.
Gorillas are docile herbavores. Chimpanzees are intelligent, but violent and warring. Orangatans are solitary. It would be a far more interesting movie if the ape society is extrapolated from the real dispositions of the apes.
It wasn't really a movie which depended on creating an atmosphere; it was more cerebral than that. It was loudly metaphorical, and Taylor was more a abstraction than a character. He was Man. Or rather a facet of Man, distilled in such a way as to promote the writer's point. It was meant to be disturbing.
And I just have a hunch Burton's going to miss a lot of that. Without replacing it with another metaphor, either. Burton's films lack discipline and direction. That can be okay if you're trying for a simple visual experience, but Planet of the Apes seems a poor choice for that.
But then, I thing Lucas has similar problems (and talents), and I disliked The Phantom Menace for similar reasons... your mileage may vary. :-)
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.. in a musical version!
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius!
I love you Dr. Zaius!
One of the funniest things I've ever seen.