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The Napster DMCA Defense

kabloie writes: "This Cnet article at Yahoo! sheds light on the defense strategy of the folks at Napster in their suit with the RIAA, which invokes the service provider provision of the DMCA. The lawyers interviewed say that if Napster wins this one, the RIAA (et al.) will be heading back to the legislative well again . "

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  1. How it all works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    How it all works
    or Ignoring that Cognitave Dissonance

    You may notice a large number of posts made on Slashdot concering Napster, or similar programs such as Gnutella or FreeNet. Often these will be posted under "Your Rights Online" (YRO), in order to show how the use of Napster affects your "rights". You may wonder what the hell programs whose sole purpose is to circumvent copyright laws is doing on a conservative (yes, I mean it) site such as Slashdot.

    Let me explain to you. In the back of their minds, most Slashdot readers ("Slashbots") know that they simply don't want to pay for anything which they can get illegally for free. Most people are exactly the same way. Napster et al allows them to get music for free, so they use it. They know that this is copyright violation, which is a bad thing to do. This brings them feelings of guilt which they want to do away with.

    How do they do this? They rationalize it away. It's the copyright laws that are wrong, not them. DCMA needs to be rewritten. The MPAA needs to be destroyed. It's an expression of free speech. And those greedy record companies take all the money anyway. Never mind that with pirate mp3s the artist never sees any money anyway. This way, they are sticking it to "the Man", who exists to make life difficult for 31337 Linux users like themselves. Yes, it is flimsy, and yes, it allows them to take the moral high ground by robbing hard-working artists. Yes, many will say that modern popular music is all horrible anyway, and that their favorite music is the only worthwhile type, but then go on to slam others for being "elitist" in any discussion in which Gnome or KDE is mentioned.

    And what about the Corel Linux beta? Didn't that violate the GPL by attaching a boilerplate disclaimer saying that only people over 18 years old could download it? And remember the cries of the Slashbots that Corel should be sued, destroyed. boycotted, etc.? All because Corel who was helping out the Linux community mistakenly added a certain clause to their beta, which violated the GPL. As you can see, the "community" is quick to cry foul when the copyrights on their software is violated, even by companies with good intentions. Our copyright good, yours bad.

    It's called "hypocrisy" and if you read Slashdot enough, you'll have to get used to it.

    Now ask yourself exactly why ther is coverage of Napster on a site obstensibly devoted to Free Software. Napster is proprietary as hell. Those protocol specs had to be reverse engineered. Isn't proprietary software bad? Isn't all free software superior? Isn't "open sourcing" a piece of software the best way to improve it?

    These are all bleatings of the party lines. Here, we consider proprietary software Evil until Rob Malda tells us otherwise, or it gets ported to Linux. Then it becomes a special class of proprietary software which somehow becomes better than the rest. Napster is one example. WordPerfect is another. Somehow, they are able to ignore this seemingly large discrepency by claiming that these companies are "helping" the "community". The only one being helped is Andover.Net who gets to sell ads to these people after giving them free publicity on the most popular "Linux" site of them all.

    Stop lying to yourselves.

    1. Re:How it all works by Sloppy · · Score: 5

      How do they do this? They rationalize it away. It's the copyright laws that are wrong, not them. DCMA needs to be rewritten. The MPAA needs to be destroyed.

      You're right about Napster, but very wrong about DCMA/MPAA/DeCSS. DCMA really does need to be rewritten, and MPAA really are doing bad things. And none of this is rationalization for some desire to steal movies. It seems very unlikely to me that Napster has a legitimate use, which is why I don't bother to defend it. But if RIAA ever tries to outlaw MP3 players (which definately do have legitimate uses) then they'll end up in the same company as MPAA. Don't assume that all DMCA/MPAA opponents are out to violate copyrights. With DMCA, there are freedom issues at stake that are totally orthogonal to copyrights and theft.

      Now ask yourself exactly why ther is coverage of Napster on a site obstensibly devoted to Free Software. Napster is proprietary as hell.

      I see your point, and in spite of my lil' rant about DMCA/MPAA, I know that your main point is correct. Something smells fishy about Slashdot covering Napster so much. Perhaps the issue is that a toolmaker being persecuted instead of the people who do illegal things using the tool. *shrug* If Napster were actually useful for something (other than stealing), it would be easier to have some sympathy for them.

      Here, we consider proprietary software Evil until Rob Malda tells us otherwise, or it gets ported to Linux.

      There are multiple factions on Slashdot. There are free software advocates, and there are Linux advocates. The two are not the same thing. And yes, there are probably some people who try to belong to both camps, which inevitably leads to hipocrisy. FWIW, plenty of people do cry out warnings whenever some company tries to trick free OS (e.g. Linux) users into using a closed protocol or data format. If you don't hear those voices, then you're not listening.


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    2. Re:How it all works by Robert+Link · · Score: 5
      I applaud you, sir, for not bothering to muck around debating the issues, but instead proceeding directly to demonizing anyone with the temerity to disagree with you. Why waste time constructing an articulate argument when you can simply dismiss your opponents as "a bunch of pirates and thieves and communists and stuff"? Have you ever considered a career in mainstream media?


      Media interests like the RIAA, MPAA, et alia are very interested in extending copyright privileges far beyond what has hitherto been allowed. These very same organizations would be the first to admit this goal, claiming that it is necessary to "protect their business models". Now, despite the words you saw fit to put into my mouth, I have no problem with respecting other people's property rights; I have no problem with paying for what I use. I do have a problem with the "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too" attitude that has come into vogue. I do have a problem with intellectual property laws that function more to shut out competition than to protect anyone from having their work ripped off. I do have a problem with taking away (for all practical purposes) the fair use rights that have traditionally been reserved to the consumers. Personally, I think these are reasonable stands on these issues; I would be interested in hearing why you think otherwise.


      You do get one thing right, however, when you point out that Napster is one of our more embarrassing allies. Napster has very little legitimate use. However, "very little" is not the same as "none", and I suspect that this, combined with a fear of a "slippery slope" argument is what keeps a lot of people supporting Napster. If you admit that a tool like Napster should be banned because it has insufficient legitimate uses, you leave open the question of how much legitimate use is necessary to justify a tool's continued existence. Should a tool with 30/70% legitimate/illegitimate usage be banned? What about 50/50? 70/30?


      Personally, I would love to see the opponents of extending copyright privileges dump Napster as an ally. I would also like to see an established legal standard of how much illegal usage is necessary before a tool should be banned. If the latter happened there would be no need to support Napster because there would be no fear that it might set a precedent for attacking tools that do have significant legitimate uses.


      -rpl

  2. Re:Way to go Napster. by Danse · · Score: 5

    The problem isn't napster. It's people who are using it illegally. What these people are suggesting is like shutting down the Internet because it is widely used to commit copyright infringement. You don't go after the internet, you go after the people who are misusing it.

    Now, that said, I don't think that Napster is that much of a drain on the music industry. I WANT to support the artists I like. Otherwise I might not be able to get any new music from them because they can't make any money at it. What I don't like is the current setup that the industry has. They make huge profits and most artists barely make a living (if even that). They jack up the cost of music for consumers, while providing no real benefit for us. If we could get our music from the artists without paying for all the unnecessary overhead, we'd pay a lot less for the music and the artists would get a lot more of the money. That's why I think the RIAA is bad. They are getting in the way of what needs to be done to change the system to benefit both consumers and artists. They're doing this because they realize that the unnecesary middle-men won't be able to leach off of a new system the way they've done with the old. They won't be able to control who gets their music produced and who doesn't. They won't be able to make artists give up their rights to the music they create in return for a chance at making a living as a musician. They realize they might have to make themselves useful for a change.

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  3. Truth trickles out... by Booker · · Score: 5
    San Francisco intellectual property attorney Neil Smith of Limbach & Limbach acknowledges the law is ambiguous but said he believes Congress intended it to protect Net access providers like America Online, AT&T WorldNet and MCI Worldcom, definitely not companies like Napster.

    Reading between the lines...

    San Francisco intellectual property attorney Neil Smith of Limbach & Limbach acknowledges the law is ambiguous but said he believes Congress intended it to protect (multi-billion-dollar) Net access providers like America Online, AT&T WorldNet and MCI Worldcom (who have paid lobbyists millions), definitely not companies like Napster (who are tiny little startups which can be effectively controlled).

    Bah.

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  4. The Man sez... by ethereal · · Score: 5
    "The defense is a novel one, but if Napster wins this, I predict the law will be rewritten in eight minutes," said Neil Rosini, a lawyer at New York law firm Franklin, Weinrib, Rudell & Vassallo, who represents online music firm MyPlay. "The DMCA was never intended for companies like Napster."

    Translation: if someone else uses our law, we'll change it so they can't. Laws are only for the use of our large, moneyed conglomerate and should never end up helping the little guy.

    I wish there was a legal fund one could contribute to that would be guaranteed to finance a challenge to the constitutionality of the DMCA. Rather than supporting a bunch of different legal battles at once or supporting different advocacy groups (although groups like the EFF fill an essential purpose, don't get me wrong), it would be more efficient to have one case go "all the way".

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  5. Odd... by EricWright · · Score: 5
    "And every time the music industry faces a technological change or an unfavorable ruling, they run to Congress to plug the latest hole in the dike."

    Come on guys, is that any way to talk about Hilary Rosen? You don't have to like her, but this is just a bit much! ;-}

    Eric

  6. Re:Why is Napster at fault? by smutt · · Score: 5

    So, copying CDs to your hard drive isn't legal, and it certainly isn't legal to distribute them.

    Two words: Fair use.

    Under the fair use policy of the US you are allowed to make a limited number of copies of something if you paid for it already. You just can't distribute it.

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  7. Why is Napster at fault? by Lxy · · Score: 5

    You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but why is Napster under fire from the RIAA? Truthfully, Napster itself has done nothing illegal. How is Napster any different than, say, freshmeat.net? Freshmeat is giving away free software, shouldn't the SPA be all over them too? Of course not, because all the software on Freshmeat is open source.

    Legally, MP3's are ok. I can chock my hard drive full of MP3's as long as I a) legally purchased that music or b) have consent from the authors/publishers to store it. I have a lot of cool MP3's on my hard drive that I put up on Napster that are 100% legal for anyone to download, possess, and redristribute. That's what Napster was supposed to do. The fact that yahoos trade illegal MP3's isn't the fault of Napster. Period. That's like saying if I store a pirated copy of Photoshop on my ftp site that my ISP is to blame, not me.

    Maybe I'm way off on this, since I haven't been following this issue very closely. That's just how I feel.

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  8. Way to go Napster. by kwsNI · · Score: 5

    Well, well. I'm glad to see that the DMCA is finally being put to good use. What do you want to bet the MPAA and RIAA are going to be upset if all their precious (gollum - oops, sorry) money they spent to lobby for the DMCA ends up supporting the very thing they wanted to stop.

    kwsNI