Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the can-I-have-malda@unix.com? dept.
rbuysse writes "Just browsing around, and I ran across that unix.com is going to be put up for sale! Starting 5/11, it is going to be auctioned off on eBay".
Pretty sweet domain name... How much do you think it'll go for?
Could mean some bucks for The Open Group, too
by
orpheus
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· Score: 3
The real question is: "How much will The Open Group" get out of the deal? (I read that they hold the trademark on Unix(TM) now.
It doesn't seem that the seller is OpenGroup (I can't confirm this, my whois is crapping out, but the DNS is CAIS and SILKROAD), but any commercial owner (or computer-related owner) will have to negotiate with OpenGroup to use the domain at all.
__________
--
If you can go to bed, knowing you did
a valuable thing today, you're very lucky.
If you can't... it's not bedtime
Ever since I heard of Unix
I've always had a ball,
From SunOS to Minix
I must have run 'em all
But I ain't seen nothing like him
On systems large or small
That tired, squinting, blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
He sits like a statue,
Becomes part of the machine,
Feeling all the limits,
Knows what the signals mean
Hacks by intuition
His process never stalls,
That tired, squinting blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
He a Unix Wizard,
I just can't get the gist
A Unix wizard's
Got such a mental twist
How do you think he does it?
I don't know!
What makes him so good?
Ain't got no distractions
Don't hear no beeps or bells
Don't see no lights a flashin'
Ignores his sense of smell
Patches running kernels
Dumps no core at all,
That tired, squinting and blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
I thought I was
The process table king,
But I just handed
My root password to him.
Even on my favorite boxen,
His hacks can beat my best.
The network leads him in,
And he just does the rest.
He's got crazy Finger servers
Never will seg-fault...
That tired, squinting karma whore
Sure makes a mean sys call!
--
.
Take all good things in moderation, including moderation.
It looks like unix is OK but UNIX is not
by
Cy+Guy
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· Score: 3
The Open Group's Trademark Usage Guide seems to only consider UNIX written in all caps as the trademark. So perhaps as long as it is written as either unix, or Unix, or unix.com there is no infringement.
Also, I know some cybersqauters have been allowed to register trademarks that include the.com when the word used in the second level of the domain is already a registered tradmark not related to the internet.
Finally, SCO has trademarks on several terms with Unix (using an initial capital U) such as UnixWare, which may also indicate that the consistent use of unix.com wouldn't violate the Open Group's trademark.
Re:It looks like unix is OK but UNIX is not
by
jbarnett
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· Score: 3
From the Trademark Usage Terms it clearly states "It must not be used as a generic term."
If this site put up unix.com as a be-all *nix site, this this/might/ be in voliation of that (depening on how much the Open Group is willing to spend on lawyers).
Also it could be agrued (not by me) that domain names are case insenitive and there isn't really any way to tell the differance between UNIX.COM and unix.com, which could be taken as a voliation of the (all caps) UNIX trademark
--
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
Ebay won't allow the auction
by
adam_megacz
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· Score: 5
Well, unix.com
is slashdotted, so for this post I'll assume that
it is not being sold by Open Group,
the rightful owners of the trademark on the name "unix".
The Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act of 1999 amends current trademark law to encompass domain names, and has already been
tested in the courts. This bill would make registration,
use, or sale of the domain by anyone other than
the Open Group a crime, and I'm pretty sure that
eBay would halt the auction (according to their
current policies)
Re:Ebay won't allow the auction
by
blakestah
·
· Score: 4
Well, unix.com is slashdotted, so for this post I'll assume that it is not being sold by Open Group, the rightful owners of the trademark on the name "unix".
Trademarks are contextual. If someone has a business with the name unix that has nothing to do with operating systems (or probably even computers), they can ALSO have a trademark for the name unix. Trademarks only own a name for specific contexts. For example, ever been to soundgarden.com ?? How about soundgarden.net ? The band wants the names since they have the name trademarked. Others have valid uses of those names that have nothing to do with the band. As such, the band CANNOT retrieve the domain names.
UNIX� is a registered trademark of The Open Group.
by
jbarnett
·
· Score: 4
It must not be used in connection with products, unless the product is licensed to use the mark.
There are detailed guidelines referring to the visual presentation, form and manner of use.
In editorial or articles, but not advertising the trade marks may be used without prior permission - provided that the rules in our
Trademark Usage Guide are followed.
I better get some karama for this dammit;)
--
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
What you REALLY want is multics.org. It's available and waaaaay more geeky than unix.com.
For the old time COBOL monkeys out there, primeOS.com is available. I think there are ~6 prime boxes still in operation, so there's a built in audience.
If you want to go head to head with taco and hemos, I suggest ampersanddot.org. It's free as well. &., how cool is that?
So I look down the list of comments, and besides the usual assortment of first posts and Natalie Portman ate my grits, I see two things:
1. UNIX is copyrighted by the Open Group, so anybody who buys unix.com is screwed.
2. Domain names want to be free and selling them is nothing more than taking advantage of the system.
Does anybody but me see a problem here? I mean, these comments are pretty much the summary of any comments on Slashdot. Somebody posts something and all you amateur lawyers come popping out of the woodwork spewing buzzwords that you don't even understand! Honestly...who knows how much it will go for or if it's even sellable? And, for that matter, who cares? Maybe the Open Group...maybe Union Metals Company...maybe Industria del Vestido...maybe Unix Systems Laboratories...maybe AT&T...maybe Rodenstock USA, Inc...but how in the world could it make a difference to anybody here?
And so what if somebody is making a buck or two off the domain name? VA Linux Systems paid a bunch of money for linux.com. I guess that it was OK, though, because they guy who sold it took care to make sure that it went to the "right people".
Everybody wants to make buck. But I swear, you'd think that Slashdot was a breeding ground for socialism if you gave many of the comments you read much credence. Maybe the real deal is that everybody should be allowed to make a buck after I make a buck.
Sheesh. This has turned into a rant. Don't take my word for it, take a look at the comments you see on the site. And, for that matter, take a look at that last 10 or 15 "Ask Slashdot" questions. Maybe the default answer ought to be, "Talk to your lawyer, 'cause if you take the advice you find here, you'll be in BIG trouble!"
OK, rant mode off.
=h=
Trademarks were contextual ...
by
JoeBuck
·
· Score: 3
But the cybersquatting law makes them broader.
unix.com can be seized by the Open Group as
soon as they ask for it. It's not even a close
thing.
Slashdot Mirror
Um, UNIX is a trademarked word. I wouldn't pay very much for the domain name, since you might have to surrender it in court.
U * N * I * X * . * C * O * M =
85 * 78 * 73 * 88 * 46 * 67 * 79 * 77 =
$798,490,055,082,720.00
That's right baby!
Registrant:
unix.com inc. (UNIX-DOM)
218 Cherokee Road
Hendersonville, TN 37075
Domain Name: unix.com
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Bass, Tim (TB7) bass@SILKROAD.COM
218 Cherokee Road
Hendersonville, TN 37075
(703) 222-4243
Record last updated on 04-Jan-1997.
Record expires on 19-Nov-2000.
Record created on 18-Nov-1993.
Database last updated on 23-Apr-2000 20:01:21 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.SILKROAD.COM 198.133.151.18
Work for Change & GET PAID!
It doesn't seem that the seller is OpenGroup (I can't confirm this, my whois is crapping out, but the DNS is CAIS and SILKROAD), but any commercial owner (or computer-related owner) will have to negotiate with OpenGroup to use the domain at all.
__________
If you can go to bed, knowing you did a valuable thing today, you're very lucky. If you can't... it's not bedtime
Ever since I heard of Unix
I've always had a ball,
From SunOS to Minix
I must have run 'em all
But I ain't seen nothing like him
On systems large or small
That tired, squinting, blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
He sits like a statue,
Becomes part of the machine,
Feeling all the limits,
Knows what the signals mean
Hacks by intuition
His process never stalls,
That tired, squinting blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
He a Unix Wizard,
I just can't get the gist
A Unix wizard's
Got such a mental twist
How do you think he does it?
I don't know!
What makes him so good?
Ain't got no distractions
Don't hear no beeps or bells
Don't see no lights a flashin'
Ignores his sense of smell
Patches running kernels
Dumps no core at all,
That tired, squinting and blind kid
Sure makes a mean sys call!
I thought I was
The process table king,
But I just handed
My root password to him.
Even on my favorite boxen,
His hacks can beat my best.
The network leads him in,
And he just does the rest.
He's got crazy Finger servers
Never will seg-fault...
That tired, squinting karma whore
Sure makes a mean sys call!
.
Take all good things in moderation, including moderation.
The Open Group's Trademark Usage Guide seems to only consider UNIX written in all caps as the trademark. So perhaps as long as it is written as either unix, or Unix, or unix.com there is no infringement.
.com when the word used in the second level of the domain is already a registered tradmark not related to the internet.
Also, I know some cybersqauters have been allowed to register trademarks that include the
Finally, SCO has trademarks on several terms with Unix (using an initial capital U) such as UnixWare, which may also indicate that the consistent use of unix.com wouldn't violate the Open Group's trademark.
Work for Change & GET PAID!
Well, unix.com is slashdotted, so for this post I'll assume that it is not being sold by Open Group, the rightful owners of the trademark on the name "unix".
The Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act of 1999 amends current trademark law to encompass domain names, and has already been tested in the courts. This bill would make registration, use, or sale of the domain by anyone other than the Open Group a crime, and I'm pretty sure that eBay would halt the auction (according to their current policies)
Open Group owns the Unix trademark
Trademark Usage Guide(PDF Format)
Please note:
It must not be used as a generic term.
It must not be used in connection with products, unless the product is licensed to use the mark.
There are detailed guidelines referring to the visual presentation, form and manner of use.
In editorial or articles, but not advertising the trade marks may be used without prior permission - provided that the rules in our Trademark Usage Guide are followed.
I better get some karama for this dammit
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
What you REALLY want is multics.org. It's available and waaaaay more geeky than unix.com.
For the old time COBOL monkeys out there, primeOS.com is available. I think there are ~6 prime boxes still in operation, so there's a built in audience.
If you want to go head to head with taco and hemos, I suggest ampersanddot.org. It's free as well. &., how cool is that?
--Shoeboy
1. UNIX is copyrighted by the Open Group, so anybody who buys unix.com is screwed.
2. Domain names want to be free and selling them is nothing more than taking advantage of the system.
Does anybody but me see a problem here? I mean, these comments are pretty much the summary of any comments on Slashdot. Somebody posts something and all you amateur lawyers come popping out of the woodwork spewing buzzwords that you don't even understand! Honestly...who knows how much it will go for or if it's even sellable? And, for that matter, who cares? Maybe the Open Group...maybe Union Metals Company...maybe Industria del Vestido...maybe Unix Systems Laboratories...maybe AT&T...maybe Rodenstock USA, Inc...but how in the world could it make a difference to anybody here?
And so what if somebody is making a buck or two off the domain name? VA Linux Systems paid a bunch of money for linux.com. I guess that it was OK, though, because they guy who sold it took care to make sure that it went to the "right people".
Everybody wants to make buck. But I swear, you'd think that Slashdot was a breeding ground for socialism if you gave many of the comments you read much credence. Maybe the real deal is that everybody should be allowed to make a buck after I make a buck.
Sheesh. This has turned into a rant. Don't take my word for it, take a look at the comments you see on the site. And, for that matter, take a look at that last 10 or 15 "Ask Slashdot" questions. Maybe the default answer ought to be, "Talk to your lawyer, 'cause if you take the advice you find here, you'll be in BIG trouble!"
OK, rant mode off.
=h=
But the cybersquatting law makes them broader. unix.com can be seized by the Open Group as soon as they ask for it. It's not even a close thing.