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New Ender Sequel
CMU_Nort writes "Orson Scott Card is at it again. Hot on the tail of Ender's Shadow, he's writing another sequel to the Ender's Game story. This one seems to cover the story of the immediate history following the original story when all of the children return home. Called Shadow of the Hegemon, it should give us some of the story of what happened to Peter. The
first five chapters
are already available online."
The rest of
his website
looks interesting too.
Why not Buggers, would the British be offended?
I believe that Orson Scott Card said, either in the forward to _Ender's Shadow_ or elsewhere, that the homosexual connotations of the word "bugger" justified changing it for the movie. I disagree, but whatever. Any role his religious beliefs play in this is unknown.
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Too bad nothing else Orson Scott Card did compares favorably to Ender's Game. Hopefully the new sequel will be different...
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He's planning out a series for this trilogy, from the perspectives of Ender's friends in battle school. This one's from Petra's perspective, I think, and the last one was from Bean's p.o.v.
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Ender's Shadow was pretty good, it was weird having a lot of the dialogue from Ender's Game but with completely different stuff going on, but interesting as well. Of course, I'm a fan, so expect some bias...
I just did a paper about (among other things) Orson Scott Card, so here's some stuff on the site: the partial movie script for Ender's Game, (they had better not call them "Wooly Ants"! Why not Buggers, would the British be offended?), the complete bibliography, and his essays (in the library).
The essay about Fantasy and the reader is cool, since at one point he talks about how people overinterpret books and then act like their interpretation is the "correct" one. (that's what my paper was about...)
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Look at Star Wars ep 3, as well.
Obviously they both ripped of the Matrix!
Ender's Game and Star Wars, however, did come out first, so they do get more originality points ^^
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The thing that really bothered me about OSC's sequels is his obvious total lack of scientific understanding. It becomes apparent that Card has no understanding of basic biology, and invents plot devices as much as in Star Trek. Oh, let's invent teleportation so I can work myself out of this corner!
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Normally I don't complain, but I would like to see the story finish first, eh? At the end of Children of the Mind, you still have some unresolved issues. What happens with the descoladores? Will the new Peter regain Ender's full memory and possibly become Ender? What happens to Starways Congress? What does the world do with Jane? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW!!!
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I love Ender's game. I read it in one sitting when I was a freshman in high school. For a few years I read everything of his I could get my hands on.
Sadly, in recent years I've learned things about Orson Scott Card that make him rather hard to enjoy. Specifically, he has advocated keeping sodomy laws on the books in order to allow the jailing of homosexual community leaders.
The following interview has its flaws, namely the self-obsessed interviewer. However, it will give you a pretty good idea of why I have trouble stomaching Card these days.
Dan
(Note, I understand others may be able to look past his political views, or even agree with them. I just can't and don't.)
Interestingly enough, he's a regular "columnist" on the Mormon section of the religious website www.belief.net.
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People often talk about Ender's Game and the related sequels. Ender's Game is my favorite Card book. In fact, it's probably the top book of all time, but if I were to pick a second favorite Orson Scott Card book, I would choose Lost Boys. Lost Boys is about a computer programmer in the 80's whose son is having all sorts of problems telling lies, misbehaving, and so forth. The book seems completely normal, but still fascinating, but it's not normal at all. It has an ending that grips you and slaps you across the face like the ending of Ender's Game. I recommend it.
I'm a major fan of Ender's game, and I'm glad to see that OSC is doing another book. However, I'm rather disappointed that its set in the Battle School. I believe I'm part of a minority of fans for this, but I actually liked the "Hundred Worlds" setting better. And the end of Children of the Mind seemed to imply that another novel was forthcoming.
That said, both Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow were very well done. For any fans who don't already know, there's a semi-official (we have OSC's permission, with a few of restrictions) MOO operating at telnet://ansible.org:6000. I really recommend using a MU*-client program like GMud. For those who don't know MOO's are text-based roleplaying games. Ansible is very RP-centered (RP=roleplay), even though some of our players may not be.
-RickHunter
What I thought was really funny about Ender's Shadow was the fact that Card completely manipulated events in the original book so that it turns out that the smartest kid ever in the history of the world was actually Bean, his new main character.
I don't think that Ender is meant to be the smartest kid ever, or what not, even in the original book. Yeah, he was really fucking smart, but that wasn't what made him the pick for commander of the invasion. He was smart, quick, and a great leader. Bean was super-smart, super-quick, but was a relatively poor leader, compared to Ender.
I think Ender's Shadow made all of this quite clear. Even in Ender's Game it is quite clear that is is not so much Ender's smarts as it is his leadership that make him the one...
SF has gotten very bad about this. You sit down and read a 600 page book--like Dan Simmons' Hyperion--and then find it's just a set-up for another book. It takes three more books to conclude anything, and after all that reading the conclusion is almost always a great let down.
This is one of the primary reasons I stopped reading SF. I enjoy reading novels, but I hate getting sucked into huge series' of books unwillingly. Heck, Card himself warned authors against doing this sort of thing in his "How to Write Science Fiction And Fantasy" book which came out over ten years ago. That was before he turned the two volumes of Ender's Game into five, going on six. And the Alvin Maker series looks like a never ending bunch of nonsense too. Sigh.
Why is everyone so down on the other Enders Game sequels? OK, so they don't have the same impact as Enders game from an originality and surprise ending (if you hadn't already had it spoilt by someone else, grrrrr) point of view, but certainly Speaker For The Dead compares well with the general run-of-the-mill sci-fi I've read.
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It reminds you every great drama in real life also has dozens of plots and subplots that cross over each other. For every big story you hear about in history there were certainly many others that went on in the background. Fiction doesn't usually capture that, however.
I think I would like to see a few more parallel books attempted by various authors.
As for the other books in the series, they were not as intense as the first one. They ventured further into strangely philisophical land, but I enjoyed them just the same. That sort of thing appeals to me. But yes, those looking for more of the same kind of literary power in Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind that OSC put into Ender's Game will be disappointed. They take a different approach.
(However, my opinion doesn't count because I also liked _Siddhartha_ by Hermann Hesse. Or at least that's what they tell me.)
Anwyay, I'm curious to see if the new books will also demonstrate that, actually, Petra was pulling the strings the whole time.
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I read the first chapter and I am going to read the other four eventually. It starts out pretty well (concerning Petra returning).
I read the series through _Children of the Mind_ and generally reccomend to friends that they read _Game_, _Shadow_, and probably _Speaker_ (probably in that order). _Speaker_ is not quite as good, but wraps stuff up enough.
I also really liked _The Worthing Saga_, a collection of stories. If you like Card's work, I would pick it up. It is different from the Ender series, but is still a very good read.
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We know that Peter is the Hegemon when Ender and Val arrive at the planet 50 years later.
We know that the first thing Bean will do when he gets back is study Peter to find out if he betrayed Ender. Since Bean never wastes anything, he'll probably then try to assert himself as Peter's general. If Bean is seven, he's got maybe 13 years before his genetically altered body dies of old age. And we assume that three's some gigantic battle to occur between Bean and Achilles.
At least, for my money there had darn well BETTER be.
Judge Pag, the Learned, Impartial, and Very Relaxed
I've only read Ender's Game. I figured that after a book this good, no sequel could ever live up to it, so I didn't take the risk. Are any of the sequels as good as the first?
It depends on what you're looking for.
The later books, _Speaker (of/for) the Dead_, _Xenocide_, and _Children of the Mind_ (is there another one? It's been a while) are more about relationships than action. This seems to turn some people off, somehow. If you can get over the fact that Ender is not attempting to exterminate a species any longer, they're enjoyable reading. There are books I would prefer that I had never read. These are not among them.
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Ender's Shadow is the most like Ender's Game. If you liked Game, then read Shadow. DON'T read Shadow first, as it spoils the whole point of Game. I assume the new one will be a lot like Shadow. I haven't read the chapters on the website yet, but I had heard that this one will still be from Bean's perspective, but will follow Bean "shadowing" Peter, Ender's brother, instead of Bean shadowing Ender.
As for the rest, well, Speaker for the Dead was pretty good. Nothing at all like Ender's Game, so if you're expecting more like that, don't get it. Xenocide and Children of the Mind were a lot like Speaker, only not as good. If you liked Speaker a lot, go ahead and read them, but otherwise just stop there.
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Lovelock was a truly original Sci-Fi book that Card cowrote with Kathryn H. Kidd. I enjoyed it immensely, but it was published in 1995 and there is still no sequel out. Does anyone know when and if "Rasputin" will be available?
That said, no one has toppled Heinlein as my favorite Sci-Fi author yet, but out of all of the current writers in the field, Card probably has the best chance.
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That's a fairly random comment. What are you talking about?
It may be boring to some people, but it has nothing to do with it being "juveline". The fact that reading it requires a lot of attention and that it doesn't have a lot of dazzling displays of brutal action means that its target audience doesn't consist of your average adolescents who consume two books of mass-market scifi a day.
Red Mars is an extremely entertaining description of the colonization of Mars, it has a lot of technical details that are easy to believe to be accurate - and the book doesn't forget the social aspects either. It's a very rich book, and I consider it one of the best scifi books I've ever read.