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Can I Lend DVDs?

tramm asks: "I just -purchased- a DVD from Hastings that has some rather ominous wording on the license 'agreement': ANY UNATHORIZED COPYING, HIRING, LENDING OR PUBLIC PERFORMANCE OF THIS DVD IS ILLEGAL AND SUBJECT TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. What happened to the right of first sale? Can I no longer lend my movies to friends without fearing the MPAA's wrath? Or is this another overstepping of consumers' rights that will become more routine once UCITA becomes 'the law'?" And people wonder why I don't have a DVD player. Now I can point to a reason why, although I'm excited about the technology, I just can't get too thrilled about my rights to use it.

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  1. Legal lending by GoRK · · Score: 2

    This is lending in the legal sense as in "rent or lease" ... it doesn't mean giving it to a buddy to watch on Saturday night. If you charge a fee for people to view or borrow the movie, you will be required to pay royaltys to the film's studio. Things are a bit fuzzy here as well because you also owe royaltys if you want to do a public or large-party showing of a film. You must rent a special copy for public showing that usually costs between 50 and 1000 dollars each time you show it.

    Right of first sale that people are talking about is your right to resell the copy; however whoever you sell it to is still bound by the restrictions on public showing and lending.

    ~GoRK

  2. Similar Blurb in Books by Detritus · · Score: 2
    I've seen similar legal language in British books. For example:
    Except in the United States of America, this book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out, or otherwise circulated without the publisher's prior consent in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser.

    I've seen similar statements, without the disclaimer for the USA, in other books published in the UK. As I understand it, there is no "First Sale Doctrine" in the UK.

    I'm not quite sure what the legal meaning of the statement is supposed to be. Lending libraries in Europe appear to be treated differently by copyright law.

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    1. Re:Similar Blurb in Books by aliastnb · · Score: 2
      No, you're misinterpreting the legalese. Not difficult to do, I know, but you're missing the bit which says:
      ...in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published...

      This is, in fact the equivalent of the "First Sale Doctrine" in the US. It says, in (I hope) english:

      You may lend, re-sell, or hire this book as much as you want.
      You may not however, make a copy of this book and lend, hire or sell that copy
      Anyone who you lend, sell or hire this book to is also bound by these conditions.

      As for the USA part, I don't know where that originates, but it's not in any of the books on my shelf poublished in the last 5 years. I think its meaning is that this edition is not available for sale in the US.

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  3. Orem Public Library, Local Video Stores by weston · · Score: 2

    The Orem (Utah) Public Library lends DVDs to anyone with a card -- free. A few of the local video stores rent them. Obviously, lending is OK under some circumstances.

    Weston

  4. Doesn't sound bad by Duxup · · Score: 2

    It seems to be restricting unauthorized lending. I'm not sure exactly that means ANY lending at all. I could lend the DVD out to people for $20 and that would indeed probably be illegal. However I'm not sure this restricts just lending it to a friend for free for a night or something. From the short lines of the text that we have here this doesn't sound much different than the rules that have been applied to VHS for ages.

    1. Re:Doesn't sound bad by Duxup · · Score: 2

      ""lending" a DVD out for $20 is RENTING "

      Yeah, that's what I said:
      I could lend the DVD out to people for $20 and that would indeed probably be illegal. However I'm not sure this restricts just lending it to a friend for free for a night or something.

  5. Re:This is similar to VCR tapes. by Leigh13 · · Score: 2
    The bottom line is, you can loan it to your friends and family, but you can't rent it for a fee. You would have to contract with the distributor and pay the higher for rent cost if you had the intention of renting them out.
    You're right about the two-tiered pricing scheme, regarding "sell through" versus "rental" pricing. However, the price a rental outlet pays for a DVD or video tape has nothing to do with their ability to rent it to a customer.

    Currently, DVD is primarily priced at sell-through prices--MSRP goes from $14.99 to about $34.99 at most. When Blockbuster or your local video chain buys dozens of copies in bulk and rents them to consumers, the studios are losing out on getting a cut of that profit. This is why we can expect rental pricing for DVDs to come into effect some time in the future.

    As far as what does make it legal for you to buy a title and then rent it out, I am not sure. However, it is more than just the initial pricing from the studio. You can buy a copy of The Sixth Sense on VHS from 800.com, but it's going to cost you $89.95. And while that's the same price Blockbuster pays for the same tape, paying the premium price still won't give you the right to rent it out for a fee. It doesn't matter whether you're paying the rental price or the $21.95 sell-through for the DVD.

    Does anyone have an idea of what makes it legal for a rental outlet to charge you for the right to borrow a tape?

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  6. DVDClub by jeffstar · · Score: 2
    I run the DVD club at work. Basically everyone with a DVD player enters their DVDs into a database, and other members of the club can request them over a website. The website keeps track of who is line to borrow the DVD next and whose hands it is in. It's pretty nice to just borrow a movie instead of renting it ... i mean how many times do I want to watch the same movie anyway?

    The first rule of dvd club is ...

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  8. This is similar to VCR tapes. by Anomalous+Canard · · Score: 2

    The VCR tapes that you rent at the local video store often cost the store much more than the ones that they can sell to customers. Typically, the studios initially make tapes available to rental shops at a much higher price per copy and then later sell them to consumers at a lower rate.

    There are exceptions where the studios want to get a whole lot of copies of a popular movie out, so all the copies are sold cheaply, but for limited interest releases (I had to wait 6 weeks after _The Truth About Cats and Dogs_ came out for rental before I could actually buy a copy as a present for my wife who, inexplicably, really liked the movie), the two stage release schedule is common.

    The bottom line is, you can loan it to your friends and family, but you can't rent it for a fee. You would have to contract with the distributor and pay the higher for rent cost if you had the intention of renting them out.

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  9. "Natural Law" by lbrlove · · Score: 2

    Of course you can lend the DVD, because the MPAA is not going to go after the grass-roots level consumer. Legality, whatever it actually is, gives way to reality. They know where their bread is buttered, and they certainly do not want to injure the guy who does buy the actual DVD.

    Of course your friend who borrows it will be sued mercilessly, and will have a special "Region Code" tatooed on his ass as a punishment.

    -L

  10. Re:First Sale by seeken · · Score: 4

    If you buy a book, you can sell that book to a used book store and they can sell it again. when you bought the book, that was the first sale, and the publishers rights to place restrictions on the sale of that book ended at tht point. Note that this does not mean that you can legally pirate it, only that the publisher can't forbid reselling, etc.

    Incidentally the guy asking the question can certianly lend a DVD to his friend. The unauthorized lending would be if blockbuster was renting them, without paying the royalty fees or whatever they use to screw the rental places.

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