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Researchers Witness Birth Of Volcanic Island

chazR writes: "Researchers from CSIRO were present at the creation of a new volcanic island Once the molten lava stops being thrown 70m into the air, I reckon this would make an ideal offshore site for a server farm. Who's going to hassle you on top of a volcano miles from the nearest land. Getting the OC-192 link in could be a problem though ... " Well, that's only if Australia (not me) actually has dibs on the real estate.

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  1. Re:Stupid news anchors by LocutusMIT · · Score: 3
    Seamount islands usually form at about two metres below the surface if they're in the midocean. At that depth, they will be completely underwater all the time (assuming normal wave activity), and will be kept that way by the sea.

    The early phases of island-building are phreatomagmatic, as the magma reacts with low-pressure water near the surface. Such eruptions are extremely violent, and don't produce very stable land. Wave action keeps the new island just under the surface.

    After the island is large enough to slow wave activity, a ring of tuff usually forms as tephra is deposited by base surges and fallout. This protects the island from the rest of the waves.

    Finally, when the vent has little direct contact with the water, the eruption will shift to effusive (Hawaiian style), firmly cementing the loose earth into a stable island.

    The same thing happened with the formation of Surtsey, near Iceland, in the 1960s.


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  2. Re:This is a significant evolutionary event! by D+Fens · · Score: 3

    Back in 1963 an island called Surtsey erupted near Iceland. It was pretty large, and was closely studied for geological and bilogical purposes.

    There is at least one book published on the subject. No, I am not shilling(TM) for Orinoco.



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  3. How do you claim new national sovereignty? by thomasj · · Score: 2

    How do you claim a national sovereignty? There exists actually no procedures foe claiming a new nation. If you look to the history you find only ad hoc recognition of new national independency, not even when new land is found. To liberate the United States of America from the English Crown, it was nesassery to fight a war, because the common practice was (and is) that new land is claimed by the jurisdiction of the nation to which the discoverer belongs.

    What normally happens when new states are recognised, is that a ethnic fraction of an existing country has fought for and won a piece of land and has been able to maintain for a while. Then some other countries start to recognise its existance and deal with this new situation. When it has been like this for a while, they get a seat in UN and a toplevel domain and other priviledges.

    But the question is: If nobody before has claim the island, it is not within the 200 nt. mile zone of territory, and the one who has discovered the island want to declare it as a nation, how should he apply to UN for recognition? Under which premises will he get it and how can he avoid the jurisdiction of his nationality overrules his claim?

    That makes me wonder...

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    1. Re:How do you claim new national sovereignty? by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 2

      Good question. Loompanics Press published a book at one time by Erwin Strauss called something like How To Start Your Own Country, but I never got around to buying or reading it.

      Seems like starting your own country would be tough, especially since you'd have to come up with a good answer to the natural question, "Why should we recognize your government?" I'm afraid the bar for the definition of the word "good" would be set pretty high.
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    2. Re:How do you claim new national sovereignty? by Kaa · · Score: 2

      how should he apply to UN for recognition? Under which premises will he get it and how can he avoid the jurisdiction of his nationality overrules his claim?

      I don't think you are thinking about the right problems. Disregarding apperances, the world does not consist of lawyers and government bureacrats.

      The main problem for the new nation would be what to do when some goons with machine guns come (take your pick: Russian mafia, Colombian cartels, Malaysian pirates, just some feisty locals). The world is a much bruter and in many ways simpler place than it seems from Slashdot.

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  4. Is Bill Gates emulating Dr. Evil?? by Electric+Eye · · Score: 2

    Perhaps what we are witnessing is the manifestation of Bill Gates' geekness, plan to dominate the world with crappy software and his secret sexual infatuation with Mr. Bigglesworth!! I'll bet any of you that by the end of this year, that new island looks like a Giant Bill Gates Head (tm). Sad thing is, he'll point his evil laser at Washington and he'll zap himself in the ass because of a security worm hole in Outlook. Then his stock will drop 3 points.

  5. Only one problem. by zCyl · · Score: 2

    Putting a server on that island would require a pretty long ethernet cord... I suspect the nearest hub would be pretty far away.

  6. Environmental damage by ch-chuck · · Score: 3

    spewing molten lava, plumes of sulpherous smoke - geez, if this were people working in a manufacturing plant they'd be elbow deep in environmental lawsuits and under orders to restore everything back to the way it was.

    As someone's sig says, "stop plate tectonics!"

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  7. Re:This is a significant evolutionary event! by glebfrank · · Score: 2

    What will be the first species to inhabit the new island? ($50 says its spiders!)

    I don't think so: spiders are predators (they eat insects), their food has to inhabit the island before them.

  8. Kavachi seamount, Kavachi volcano, Kavachi island. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2

    The Kavachi volcano formed the Kavachi seamount, and so probably when it breaks the surface of the water it'll be known as the Kavachi island.

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  9. Hmmm by Signal+11 · · Score: 3

    Slashdotted island indeed - if this picture is any indication. Personally, I don't think it was an island - I think it's a coverup: Microsoft has finally entered the arms race. You'll note yesterday's quote that they would (I paraphrase here): "not stand by while our commercial enterprise is destroyed". We all know what happened when Microsoft programmed Encarta to show the world spinning backwards: they rewrote the astronomy section.

  10. This is a significant evolutionary event! by yuriwho · · Score: 2

    How often does a new landmass spring up before the eyes of a group of scientists??? This will be an observational testbed for the theories of Darwin and all evolutionary scientists. What will be the first species to inhabit the new island? ($50 says its spiders!)

    How will this new ecosystem evolve and adapt?

    This is a perfect system to observe natural selection in action (or not)!!

    Let the experiment begin!

    ps. I hope the volcano dosen't drag on with the fire and brimstone crap for too long. It would suck to have an enless series of news stories about how the latest fauna were wiped out in the most recent erruption...somehow I think its inevitable.

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    1. Re:This is a significant evolutionary event! by Dervak · · Score: 5

      How often does a new landmass spring up before the eyes of a group of scientists???

      I cant recall the exact figure, but new volcanic islands forming isnt that rare; once or twice a decade or so - perhaps more often still. It is rare that it happens in front of people though. Mostly it happens in uninhabited places, like e.g. in the Aleutians or off New Guineas shore.

      Most of these new volcanic islands dont last though. The volcanic rock formed by the sudden cooling of magma by seawater in shallow water is brittle and easily eroded, and sea waves usually obliterate the new islands within months of the end of the eruption.

      It is only when the eruption is large or long enough that the vent comes completely clear of seawater. Then the magma can solidify into a harder, more solid shield protecting the looser material below from erosion. If this happens the island should last for many decades at least, with no renewed activity. Surtsey in Iceland in 1963 is an example of this, and IIRC the only new volcanic island formed in the 20th century which still exists.

      If the island lasts long enough (a few decades) the loose material (tephra) made from the phreatomagmatic (explosive activity from interaction of magma and water) activity early in the eruption undergoes a chemical transition and becomes hyaloclastite, a rock even harder than the overlying shield of lava. So, after a long time with no activity, when the lava shield is eroded away, the former soft core of the island remains as steep pillars, cliffs and seamounts.

      /Dervak

  11. Video on ABC by Joe+Rumsey · · Score: 3
  12. Has anyone named it yet? by nard · · Score: 2

    Are islands like Stars / Asteroids ? Does the discoverer get the right to name it?

  13. Solomon Islands by pcburns · · Score: 3
    Well, that's only if Australia (not me) actually has dibs on the real estate.

    The new island is near the Solomon Islands.

    The Solomon Islands is a group of islands to the east of Papua New Guinea. There was quite a bit of action around there in World War Two.

    At the moment in the Solomon Islands there is a lot of tension between the ethnic groups particularly on Gaudalcanal. An ethnic group from another less fertile island were attracted to Gaudalcanal due to the easier lifestyle. The original inhabitants of the island are getting uneasy and have formed militias arming themselves with guns left over from World War 2. The militia members dress in traditional bark loincloths. Its a shock to see someone wearing tribal dress and caring guns.

  14. Re:hmmm.... new island by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 3
    Yes, and by chance the new island is going to be named "Sexalla", because it was the sixth island created in this chain. They are going to sell the .sex domain name for 250,000,000.23 cents, which works out to 25 million dollars and 2 cents for each of the lichen there.

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  15. Uh... by TheTomcat · · Score: 2

    I reckon this would make an ideal offshore site for a server farm. Who's going to hassle you on top of a volcano miles from the nearest land.

    Lava? Volcanic ash and gasses? The occasional shifting of the 'plates of a newly formed land mass?

    I doubt it's exactly habitable.

    But hey, IANAG(eologist).

  16. Re:Not that anyone would care about *facts*, but.. by GregWebb · · Score: 2

    My apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick or a different event here, but wasn't the problem with Taiwan and the UN that the Taiwanese government had retained the _Chinese_ UN seat, as the pre-revolutionary government had hopped across to Taiwan so the logic was that they were still legitimately in charge and giving the seat to the current Chinese government would be recognising a coup?

    Anyway. That's probably a long enough sentence ;)

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  17. Volcano researchers are nuts. by hey! · · Score: 3

    It says in the article that they approached within 750m of the thing. Holy cow! If there was a undersea landslide they'd have been toast.

    It reminds me of the guys who stayed to monitor and film Penatubo while the US military was evacuating. I've seen films of the thing -- it looked like a picture from Hell's national park. The ash cloud went up for miles and there was huge blasts lightning coming out of it. If I were anywhere within 20 miles of the thing I'd be getting out fast.

    I once talked with an uncharacteristically prudent volcano researcher who told this story. He and his crew found a nice grassy spot to camp near the volcano they were studying. There were lots of boulders lying around, so when they were setting up camp they decided to move one of the them to make some more room. After finding green grass underneath, they decided to camp further away.

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  18. And if you did put a server farm on there... by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 2
    You could make it geothermally powered. A volcanic island must have way more energy then a few rotting potatos.

    Plus, we could /. a volcano.

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  19. Slashdot It! by doorbot.com · · Score: 3

    If all the faithful slashdot readers go visit the new island, can will it be the first recorded slashdotting of a landform?

    Yes, humans can trimph over nature!

  20. As Monty Python castmembers would say... by Sir_Winston · · Score: 3

    "I CLAIM THIS ISLAND IN THE NAME OF SPAIN!!!"

    "But, is it an African island or a European island?"

    Oops. My Karma just went down like an NT server... ;-)

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  21. Re:Exodus time! by zeck · · Score: 3

    Yeah, that would be cool! When the volcano erupts again you'd get rid of all your deviant and stupid geeks at the same time!

  22. Exodus time! by zpengo · · Score: 2

    It'd be cool if a whole clan of geeks settled on the island and set up some sort of geek compound serving madness to the rest of the world via moonbounce.

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  23. That island has got to be flame-bait.. by 1337d00d · · Score: 3

    Sorry, bad pun. Now my karma's going down like an overclocked Win2k server running on that island without a heatsink.

  24. Let's call it "Stateless" by rogerbo · · Score: 2
    Anyone read Greg Egan's Distress
    A group of anarchist biotechnicans steal patented biotech and use it to "grow" a huge articifical island from bioenginnered coral species.


    Then they declare explicitly that their island will respect no patents or copyright laws. Of course all the major coutries boycott them, but it becomes a haven for free thinking hacker types.


    The rest of Egan's works are pretty cool too.

  25. Not that anyone would care about *facts*, but... by orpheus · · Score: 5

    Here are a few resources for anyone with the guts to make a go of it, and the brains to do it right. Some cover artificial islands, and some natural.

    Proposed Inhabited Artificial Islands in International Waters

    United Nations Convention
    on the Law of the Sea Alas, for an 'artificial island' server farm, Article 121 states "3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf." Sections 60 and 80 confirm this. For 'natural islands' the key article seems to be Article 76, covering the 'continental shelf' provision.

    Isn't the new volcanic island off New Zealand? if so, this summary of the New Zealand Geologic and Oceanographic Service's interpretation of UNCLOS may be useful.

    There's a lot more, but basically sovereignity does *not* depend on actually possessing territory (the Vatican was sovereign during the time when Italy claimed its territory, as acknowledged by the other major powers) and actually possessing territory, the consent of the governed, and an independent, fully functioning government with military forces sufficient to defend that territory is not enough to guarantee sovereignity. (Taiwan was once thrown out of the UN because it was deemed to lack sovereignity despite possessing all of these)

    Happy planning -- and best'o'luck to you!


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