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Slashback: Secrecy, Toyware, France

Whatever happened to those drives at Los Alamos? Is my Mattell software worse than Back Orifice? Have the French courts cowed Yahoo!? Did I or didn't I buy a license for Windows? These and other ponderables have been glued in place below for your leisurely weekend perusal.

Can't you just see this happening at your workplace? snowbike writes: "The missing hard drives at Los Alamos have been found. Apparently they fell behind a copy machine. It will probably be attributed to the closure and evacuation associated with the fires. Read all about it at CNN. Looks like there is still plenty of heat to go around regarding this--now the UC contract to run the lab is in danger." OK. So a little bit of data went missing. Are you perfect? Are you saying you've never misplaced a floppy, or left a few nuclear secrets behind the copy machine? More coverage can be found at ABC News, at The L.A. Times and at The Washington Post .

This is for your own good. In regards to Xday's discussion of privacy violations in Mattel software, Moses Lawn writes: "I'm an ex-Broderbund programmer that wrote all of the code for this, and I just posted a comment about exactly what it does, how, and why. It's actually pretty benign. (Hopefully my comment wound up in the right place - first-time posting and all.)"

Not a single Earth-destroying collision yet! People are pretty excited at Brookhaven National Laboratory, as RHIC (the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) just saw its first collisions. There are pictures and a press release here. That page also has links to some animations and more info on how RHIC and its component systems work. RHIC is the new particle accelerator at Brookhaven. Its main goal (among many) is to look for a quark-gluon plasma. This is the result of about 18 years of work, and it will be the premiere facility for high-energy physics research until about 2008.

Tell me again how this makes things easier? snoogans writes "I just received this from my Dell account rep. As deep a hole as Microsoft has dug, do they really need to do this? How can they force all OEM's to implement this BIOS lock thing?

'The contents of the OS media kits that are shipped with Dell systems for Windows 95, Windows 98SE, and Windows NT4 will be changed as of June 1,2000 (New OS media kits are already shipping for Windows 2000 Professional) Systems impacted: All OptiPlex, Dimension, Precision, Latitude, and Inspiron systems. Implementation will be worldwide and include all languages. Why? The changes to the OS media kits are required by Microsoft in an effort to reduce software piracy What is changing (exactly) Dell-branded OS media replaces the Microsoft-generic OS media. Artwork on CD will change from "Microsoft Windows X" to "Dell Product Recovery CD -- Windows XX" In addition to a copy of the OS, the OS media will include a BIOS lock that prevents the OS media from being installed on a non-Dell system. Microsoft requires the BIOS lock to help prevent software piracy. The set-up diskettes have been removed because customers can now boot directly from the CD The functionality of the OS media remains the same -- whenever the user is asked to insert the "Microsoft Windows XX" CD, such as when they are reinstalling the OS or when they are changing the configuration of their system -- they will use the Dell Product Recovery CD The Certificate of Authentication (COA) will no longer be attached to the front of the Product documentation. Instead, it will be on a label affixed to the outside of the system chassis. The COA label should not be removed from the chassis -- the label will tear into small pieces if there is an attempt to remove it and it will become unusable. The product key located on the COA label is a mechanism used by Microsoft to ensure that the operating system loaded on the system is legal - the product key cannot be used by other users to compromise the security of the system. Your ability to re-install the OS from CD has not changed, the Dell Product Recovery CD replaces the functionality available in the Microsoft OS media kits'"

It would be great if hordes of programmers and interface designers worlwide would come up with a freely distributable alternative that was more stable than Windows and obviated the need for such presumption.;)

Blowing their nose in the general direction. MissKitty writes: "Even though I deplore Naziism and have got to wonder about the people who collect this stuff as memorabilia, I was amused that someone had the guts to tell the French Court to push off. Under French law it is illegal to exhibit or sell objects with racist overtones. They were wanting for Yahoo to filter France's access to these things (that came up on their auction site). "Asking us to filter access to our sites according to the nationality of Web surfers is very naive," Yang, co-founder of Yahoo! said. Score one for political incorrectness."

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  1. But what if you upgrade your PC? by jsm · · Score: 3
    If you buy a PC with Windows on it, you have bought a license for that piece of software, and you should be able to install it on whatever machine you want.

    If you buy another PC two years later, you should be able to install that same copy of Windows on it, because you paid for the license! You don't need to buy a new copy of the software for every machine you buy, just as you don't for any other piece of software.

    Somehow, almost no consumer ever thinks of this. Maybe it's because the act of buying Windows is seldom a conscious decision; the tax is slipped in under their noses without giving them a chance to think about it.

    If you buy a new PC to run Windows, save money by installing your old version of Windows on it.

    1. Re:But what if you upgrade your PC? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 2

      you have bought a license for that piece of software, and you should be able to install it on whatever machine you want.

      Perhaps you should look up the definition of "license". You only have the rights that the licence allows you to have. I can't tell if you are being idealistic about licences, or just stupid.

      The machine-locked versions of Windows are sold at a discount. You save money, you have less rights. Is that so difficult?

      As far as the tax goes, you are right on -- Not only does this screw non-Windows users, it also screws Microsoft's paying corporate customers. We have a Windows NT/2000 site licence at work. But we buy machines with 98 pre-installed because it saves us $100/machine. We could save another $100 if we bought 'bare disk' machines, but Dell won't sell them to us because we're too small.

      Whether or not Microsoft gets broken up, it's a sure bet that the OEM contract restrictions will get put in place. Hopefully this will give Microsoft's biggest customers (Dell/Compaq/IBM) the balls to actually stand up for their own customers. Some day we might actually see a dropdown on a web site which reads like: OEM Windows 98 [Can not be transferred] ($0) / Bare Disk (-$92) / Retail Windows 98 [Can be transferred] (+$102)
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  2. Re:Business Opportunity! Yes! by jht · · Score: 2

    Speaking of things oral - Woody Allen once told a joke that went something like this:

    "I'd like to say a brief word now about oral contraception.

    [pause]

    I had an experience with oral contraception, just the other day...

    [bigger pause]

    I asked a woman to sleep with me - and she said no."

    (badda-bing!)

    Actually, it was quite risque for the early Sixties... And the album it's on, "Standup Comic" is a classic. Woody in his day practically invented the cerebral one liner.

    Of course, your get rich quick method has probably been used to copy floppies more than once - or so the apocryphal tech support stories go.

    - -Josh Turiel

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  3. Re:Why weren't the drives encrypted? by sigwinch · · Score: 5

    To quote from CNN:

    They contained details of how to dismantle numerous nuclear weapons from U.S. and other nations' arsenals. The information is used by the Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), which is trained to respond to nuclear accidents or terrorism.

    If NEST doesn't have *immediate* access to the information they need, bad things will happen, like cities being atomized or poisoned by plutonium. Encryption would add several failure points to the system, such as losing the key. Furthermore, a single bit error in encrypted data can render it all meaningless. When you're sitting next to an active nuke, "access denied" is *not* what you want to see.

    On the other hand, secrecy isn't that important. The information probably didn't include full engineering drawings and instructions for building bombs, just diagrams and instructions needed for deactivating them. Besides which the open literature already tells you how to make a nuclear explosive -- obtaining the plutonium, and precision machining the fissionable core and explosive lenses are the hard parts (not to mention synchronized detonation of the conventional explosives and injection of neutrons).

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  4. Question for readers in France by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    I heard recently that it is actually illegal to believe that the jewish holocaust never happened, or other similar ideas, and in fact the law actually defines that history to be true. Is that true?

    Given France's, er, generally wacky nature, it wouldn't surprise me, but I thought I would put it out for verification.

    P.S. Yes, I believe the holocaust happened, etc, etc


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    1. Re:Question for readers in France by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      You have the right to believe what you want (it's not Orwell-land here, you know !). However, there are some very specific beliefs and behaviour (namely, Negationism (negating the Holocaust), and all incitation to Racial Hatred) which are totally forbidden *to* *advocate*.

      How does the law define "advocating"? If I believe something, doesn't that mean I'm advocating it in some way, even if it's just generally voicing that opinion? I mean, the only way to not advocate a belief is to be forbidden to voice it, which seems then that (in practical terms) it's illegal hold the opinion.


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    2. Re:Question for readers in France by Fyndo · · Score: 2
      While I don't know about france, I suspect that this comes from the Canadian case involving Ernst Zundel. He was sued under Canada's "false news" laws, for publishing, amont other things, a pamphlet entitled "did six million really die".

      The extent to which the court defined history was to say that Zundel's defense that the government had not proved in court that the holocaust had occured was not a defense, that the existance of the holocaust is sufficiently well known and generally documented, that the burden of proof rested on Zundel to prove it didn't happen if he wished to defend himself by claiming that the news he published was, in fact true.

      All very oversimplified, but no, it's not a crime to believe it didn't happen (although apparantly is in canada to print false news, such as that the holocaust didn't happen), but rather that the assumption in court is, it did. There's some summaries of the case over on nizkor on their page about Zundel

      There does have to come a point in law where you just take something as a given and don't have to prove that there's a large country to the south of canada called the united states, or equal silliness.

    3. Re:Question for readers in France by Chep · · Score: 2

      Simple: you don't teach, or lecture this opinion. And you don't print it in publically-available media. Otherwise, there's no thought-police, and as long as it's in a private discussion, you can say what you want (and turning in people for a felony or a crime *is* a felony, unless the authorities specifically asked for hints ; so, normally, you can talk).

      Yes, this sounds like a restriction on free speech. Here, before "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité", we have "l'Ordre Public" to protect and keep untroubled. In the spirit of law, public order is a prerequisite to everyone's enjoyment of one's individual freedom. However, incitation to racial hatred, or negationism are deemed (by the law) as having enough potential to overturn public order, thus harming everyone's freedom. That's why the freedom of some right-wing extremist has to be restricted a bit (according to the law).

      You might want to babblefish some stuff at
      http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr for more info...

  5. Re:Building your own by linuxonceleron · · Score: 4
    If you are building your own system and trying to stay legit, you would buy your own copy of windows, you can legally get an OEM copy if you buy a motherboard/hard drive. Now I imagine this scenario, you buy a Dell computer, 2 years later your PIII-800 is feeling a little slow, so you swap out the ATX board with a board designed for a Pentium VII 2000Mhz, all goes well until inevitabley Windows breaks and its time to reinstall, the Dell Windows CD won't find the Dell BIOS any longer even though you legally are entitled to install Windows on that machine.

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  6. Re:Building your own by Syberghost · · Score: 4

    Here's what you do:

    Buy two Dell computers under two different names.

    Swap motherboards.

    Attempt to reinstall Windows on machine #1 with machine #1's disk.

    When it fails, contact Dell technical support and demand a CD that will work.

    When it arrives, attempt to reinstall Windows on machine #2 with machine #2's disk.

    Repeat until Dell is bankrupt, then purchase their systems at a huge discount.

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  7. Re:HD's and recovery cd by josepha48 · · Score: 2
    thanks for the spelling lesson

    send flames > /dev/null

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  8. Re:HD's and recovery cd by josepha48 · · Score: 2
    gee if they just 'fell' behind a copier then they are probably damaged now huh

    send flames > /dev/null

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  9. Like the old secretary/blonde jokes: by Speare · · Score: 5

    Boris: Did you get the secret plans?

    Natasha: Of course, comrade.

    Boris: Let me see!

    [Natasha hands a sheaf of splotchy blackened xerox paper to Boris.]

    Boris: What is this?!

    Natasha: I copied secret data from computer parts. They won't know.

    Boris: Ayiiii! We burned the hillsides for THIS?!

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  10. Microsoft's current policies by Phroggy · · Score: 2
    Think about it. Microsoft has been behaving themselves for the last couple of years, because of the ongoing antitrust case. Guess what? The trial is over; Microsoft lost. Microsoft no longer has to try to make themselves look good. Judge Jackson released his Final Judgement, and it says nothing to prevent Microsoft from doing this - and the appeals process can only make it better for Microsoft, not worse. The government won't interfere, because they just won their case - they had their chance to fix the problems.

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  11. Mini-Slashback: AOL Submits RFC for IM to IETF by Carnage4Life · · Score: 3

    AOL has submitted it's IMX draft to the IETF and it is available on the Internet at http://aim.aol.com/openim. Here's news of the story on C|Net.

    As for the MSFT BIOS lock deal with Dell i'm not exactly sure how new this is. My IBM Aptiva i bought in April last year did not come with Windows 98 but instead with an IBM Recovery disk that would only install on my Aptiva 9which i found out much to my chagrin after assembling a new machine and being forced to buy a copy of Windows for it). I am surprised this practice is just getting mention now. It is VERY old news to me and I'm sure it is to other IBM Aptiva users.

    1. Re:Mini-Slashback: AOL Submits RFC for IM to IETF by MaximumBob · · Score: 2
      I seem to recall the packard bell I used to have had the same sort of deal. It had a system disk that came with it, and it wouldn't install Windows onto a system with a different BIOS, which caused some problems when I built my new computer.

      Fortunately, the Windows 98 Upgrade CD still recognizes it as a valid Win95 CD, and doesn't give a damn about what BIOS I'm using. :)

  12. Microsoft No-media policy by Mike1024 · · Score: 5

    Hey,

    This has been discussed quite a lot recently. a Q&A section was recently run in PC Pro. Here's my parody:

    Q: Will this stop piracy or simply increase Microsoft's profits?
    A: By reducing piracy, additional revenue will be seen by us! Ker-ching Ker-ching! Woohoo! This in turn would lead to us paying higher taxes, but don't worry: Our lawyers are working 24/7 looking for tax loopholes so we can pay as little as possible!!

    Q: If piracy is reduced, will we see cheaper licenses?
    A: Of course not! Whilst we have just said "By reducing piracy, additional revenue will be seen throughout the industry", we won't pass this on to consumers. We'll carry on nailing you for the highest prices we can, just like always!

    Q: Why are you adding another complication to an already complicated licencing system?
    A: Our new media policy is genuinely intended to support the 5,500 OEMs who buy genuine products to compete on a level playing field. We are strong-arming them into this policy for their own good (And we wouldn't dream of disregarding their opinions), even if the only people who will see the 'additional revenue' which will be 'seen throughout the industry' will be us.

    Q: Is Microsoft passing the buck to OEMs in terms of technical support?
    A: We always have! Why should we change now?

    Q: Will my OS work if I upgrade my PC?
    A: Obviously, the BIOS key isn't overwritten when you flash your bios. We will, however, side-step the massive issue of people actually wanting to upgrade their motherboards but it won't matter! We think you're too dumb to notice!

    Q: In the case of a backup partition on the hard disk, what happens if my disk fails or becomes infected with a virus?
    A: Well, if you're within your warranty, you can send your system back for repair and wait weeks for it to be returned with all your files comprehensively erased. If you're out of warranty, you will have to go to a Microsoft-endorsed retailer who will nail you with massive charges to actually install what you have already paid for!

    Q: Do your proprietary Kerbeos extensions have any purpose except to stop Windows 2000 being compatible with UNIX servers?
    A: No, we're profiteering again! What's more, nobody will be able to do anything about it because the only people who have the power to threaten us are ignorant of the facts!

    Q: Does Microsoft support the old adage 'The customer is always right'?
    A: No, course not. Microsoft supports the adage 'The customer has money. Bill Gates must have this money'. Inkeeping with this adage, we will do whatever we have to to make more money, regardless of whether the end solution is as functional as the one it is replacing.

    Q: Does Microsoft hate us all?
    A: Only if you haven't got any money left to spend on our products.

    Just my $0.02

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    1. Re:Microsoft No-media policy by technos · · Score: 2

      Dell Optiplex, included in this scheme, are actually user upgradeable.. The powersupply requires a short and Dell is rather happy to tell you this when you ask, but that is the only issue..

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  13. Re:Why weren't the drives encrypted? by Hobbex · · Score: 2



    Umm, I must have hit the wrong button when I moderated this... maybe if I post here my moderation will be undone.

    Sorry Booker.

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  14. Re:Is Windows Piracy really a problem? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 2

    Microsoft has traditionally been one of the least anti-piracy companies. After all, if users are running around installing bootleg Windows 98 (or whatever), it's only a matter of time until the IT department buckles under the pressure and buys the upgrade. Maybe they think they've finally reached market saturation, and it's time to crack down.

    What sucks about these changes is that they are carefully crafted so that the burden doesn't fall on the corporate customers at all. Dell can do whatever, but I would imagine that a good number of their corporate customers reformat and install a disk image. Microsoft is still happily spamming my workplace with all sorts of MSDN CDs, all unlocked (you don't even need to enter a registration code), which we IT goons all happily burn copies and install at home. That's OK with them because we are in a position to influnce purchasing, but apparently someone reselling their OEM CD on eBay or at a computer show is a huge revenue loss.

    Meanwhile, the small vendors, small business that buy things preinstalled, and home users are the ones getting the shaft. The question is how much pain users are willing to go through before the backlash starts. Only that MS has the lowend market locked up so tight, there's not much people will be able to do, short of real warezing (as opposed to casual piracy like borrowing someone's CD).
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  15. Re:Recovery CD's are GOOD thing. by StenD · · Score: 2

    While I don't think anyone is a stupid fsck, I would like to point out, as the original post does, that the pertinent contents of the Windows98 cd (drivers, installation files, etc.) can be found in "c:\windows\options\cabs" on most OEM installations.

    It may, but noone tells the average consumer this (except perhaps buried deep within a manual that the salesdroid tells them they don't need to read), and, at least on this HP, the path to the "Windows CD" wasn't preset to the cab location (which happens if you actually install Windows from the HD).

    The argument was that having recovery CDs were a benefit for the average consumer, and I was providing a real example (rather than a vague hypothetical) of how it isn't.

  16. I smell a conspiracy... by DigitalEntropy · · Score: 2

    I don't have a lot of time, so hear me out. There's something funny going on in the world today, and I've figured it out. But they're on to me, so I must be brief.
    It all started when buggy Mattell software sold to children in France went haywire, ordering Nazi memorabilia by the metric ton. Meanwhile, in Los Alamos, secret goverment agents were attempting track where John Rocker's private stash is disappearing to, when--much to their dismay--all high-tech government computer equipment (Dell machines with Win2k, BIOS-locked, of course) became disrupted by high energy particle-collisions and set themselves on fire. The resulting panic brought several agents to their knees as they prayed... for the computer technicians to quickly remove the hard drives, thus saving complete system images of their OS, and copies every pr0nographic image ever made.

    And you thought your week was hell.


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  17. Dell has been doing this... by OnyxRaven · · Score: 2

    Dell has been doing this since their first implementation of Windows 2000 on at least all their business systems. Heck, even before that they were affixing the OEM code to the outside of their boxes even if we ordered NT4 workstation on them (Yep... all windows NT shop - I'm attempting to get more linux/bsd servers in for web and database serving - MS-SQL on NT is just not a good thing, and IIS has been nothing but trouble. The NT boxes without either of them on them have had uptimes of over 200 days, the IIS/SQL boxes never over 20).
    ...
    I don't see what the huge deal is over this - the Disc that comes with it with win2k should only need to be installed on Dell systems anyway. We have retail or quick license copies for the rest of them. We've been getting licenses for win2k way before they released it so that when we switch (sometime later this year) we wouldn't have to go buy upgrade licenses.

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  18. Re:Business Opportunity! Yes! by Tony+Shepps · · Score: 2

    Ah, yes, a "hapless tourist" fell for that scheme, and definitely not you yourself, the teller of the tale. Just some "hapless tourist" who shall remain nameless (except that it's a /. editor whose name begins with "r").

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  19. This MS policy and VMware by Randy+Rathbun · · Score: 3

    What is this thing going to do to people trying to run WinXX under VMware? The VMware stuff has it's own system bios (some form of Phoenix). From what that message is saying, if the CD can not detect a Dell BIOS, then it is not going to install... or did I read that wrong?

  20. Which makes it even better... by tilly · · Score: 2

    You are absolutely right that reverse DNS will fail miserably. That is intended. The resource use would also be very large. Which gives them the opportunity to bring home to the court exactly what they mean when they say that blocking selectively for French users, "is not technically feasible."

    IOW Yahoo can go out of the way to block all of France from the auction site, come up with some publicity, French people will still have no trouble reaching them, and they can then talk about how much they are spending and how ineffective it is.

    Cheers,
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  21. Re:Recovery CD's are GOOD thing. by StenD · · Score: 2

    BUT... for the average consumer this is a GOOD thing. Having to wipe the drive and reinstall Windows (which WILL happen eventually) is a real pain. Normally, the average consumer takes the computer in to the local shop (CompUSA, Micro Center, etc). And pays a fee to have Windows reinstalled.

    Except what happens when your average consumer buys a printer, hooks it up, and Windows says "Insert your Windows CD"? That's what my grandmother ran into with her HP, because it dodn't come with a Windows CD, it came with a HP Recovery CD, and the recovery CD doesn't work as a Windows CD. She had two choices - put more $$ in MicroSoft's pocket, or get a pirated CD from a friend. Guess which one she went for?

  22. Microsoft cost Dell some money here... by bwalling · · Score: 2

    Did Microsoft reimburse Dell for all the time they had to spend to implement these measures? They put an unnecessary strain on Dell's engineers to server the customer while at the same time abiding by the new MS licensing garbage. If I were Dell, I'd be pissed about it.

    As another note, if I buy a computer with Windows on it (like I have many choices), I shouldn't have to run that copy on that machine. I could wipe it out, put Linux on it, and decide to use Windows on another machine. That is my right, as I own one copy of the software.

  23. Re:hard drive.... by orpheus · · Score: 2

    My initial reaction was that somebody was feling the heat and trying to return the HDDs to stop or deprioritize the investigation. The history of HumInt is full of ridiculous stories of inside sources who were almost caught (but weren't) because an investigation moved on or was deprioritized. The Article suggests DoE was thinking on the same lines.

    Despite their safe recovery, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said Friday afternoon he would continue an investigation into the matter, and he promised disciplinary action would result. Investigators are treating the area where the drives were found as a crime scene, and Richardson said "their authenticity" was still being evaluated.

    Maybe the theft was discovered sooner than expected (perhaps due to the post-fire audit) or maybe the original plan was to copy and return the HDD, but of course 'return' is less pressing than the original theft (and almost as risky). You have the data, everything else is icing... until you realize your source is almost compromised!

    "authenticity" - I doubt anyone was foolish enough to return a copy of the HDD, so this suggests some clean-room (in the original sense) technique for checking if an archival (written then stored) HDD was ever read, or if *all* of it were read (Normal use would only read parts as needed. If all of it had been read - especially recently - it would strongly suggest copying.)

    Does anyone out there have any info on the current capabilities of 'clean-room' HDD analysis? We know the Gov't has impressive recovery methods for recovering long erased and multiply re-written files from off-track traces.

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  24. What I think Yahoo should have done... by tilly · · Score: 4

    Blocked all *.fr addresses, directing them to a page saying something like Nos excuses. Ces pages sont actuel bloquées des utilisateurs français pour nous introduire dans la conformité à une décision récente de cour.

    Then they could honestly tell the French court that they were making a sincere attempt to comply with the ruling...

    Hmm...perhaps they should also include contact information for the case, and a link to an explanation of what their position was.

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  25. Re:Is Windows Piracy really a problem? by StenD · · Score: 2

    Microsoft has traditionally been one of the least anti-piracy companies.

    Perhaps, but Bill Gates of Micro-Soft is the original anti-piracy zealot.

  26. Re:Business Opportunity! Yes! by WNight · · Score: 2

    Nah, that costs more and entails getting to listen to some other lucky bastard getting some. :)

  27. Re:Why weren't the drives encrypted? by Stonehand · · Score: 2

    So use a hardware-based solution, installed in a few laptops with transmitters that alert security if they leave the building, so that sec staff can check it out. And make sure these platforms don't have non-encrypted writeable removable media.

    It's a lot harder to hide an entire laptop than, say, a laptop drive.

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  28. Re:Building your own by StenD · · Score: 2

    MS's plans will be yet another nail in the coffin of the old practice of building your own systems.

    This will actually encourage me to continue building my own systems. The way prices in the computer market have been driven down, I fully expected that the next system I would purchase would be off the shelf. However, if all they will be able to provide me with is a recovery CD, not a real Windows CD, I'll stick with rolling my own.

  29. Lost Drives by FraggleMI · · Score: 4

    Well as a former memeber of the Army Intelligence Corp I can tell you that this isn't as big of a deal as you think it is. Remember that most likely this whole building is secure. To even get in you will need either a Secret or most likely a Top Secret clearance. And once you are in, you would probably be able to access just about anything in the building with a badge. Its not like X-Files where every door is locked :) I am not defending them for losing it, cause they shouldn't have lost the stuff, but, I think it is being made a bigger deal than it is. The media is probably trying to make money off of this since the russians dont have it. They have to earn a buck too ;) Plus, I mean, think about it, how many floppy diskes do you have laying around that you missplaced. I think the media is overplaying this situation WAY too much.

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    1. Re:Lost Drives by Gr00ve · · Score: 2

      You only get to know what is above presidential if you have Presidential. NTK you see.

  30. HDs Lost by The-Bus · · Score: 5
    Ok, it's bad enough that the HDs with nuclear secrets were lost. It's worse that they were found behind, of all places, a copy machine. What really gets me is this:

    The drives have been missing since at least May 7, when Los Alamos employees prepared to evacuate the facility due to wildfires in the surrounding New Mexico countryside.

    I can see it now...
    Lab Attendant #1: Oh no! The wildfires are coming closer! We have to evacuate!
    Lab Attendant #2: What about the Nuclear Secrets? Shouldn't we take those along?
    Lab Attendant #1: Yes, we should definitely save them... But who knows, they might burn up in the fire. Take them out of the secret, underground, highly protected fire-proof room they are in and put them behind the copy machine in the first floor employee lounge!
    Lab Attendant #2: My God, that's genius!

    Siiigh.

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  31. Re:Important Little Detail by FraggleMI · · Score: 2

    Its like looking for those lost keys in your house :)

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  32. Why weren't the drives encrypted? by Booker · · Score: 2

    I figured that even if the drives were stolen, surely the data was protected with strong encryption... wouldn't that be smart? Was all the data on the drives "in the clear?" Besides, you could prosecute the thief under espionage laws AND under the DMCA, if he actually got to the data. :)

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    1. Re:Why weren't the drives encrypted? by Booker · · Score: 2

      Do you encrypt all of your data?

      Only when I'm doing top-secret defense work... oh wait, I don't do that... but these drives were supposedly from a shelf in a locked vault. Their loss triggered hearings in Congress. Seems to me that if they were that big of a deal, encryption would have been a snazzy idea.

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  33. Business Opportunity! Yes! by Roblimo · · Score: 3



    Wow! After reading today's SlashBack I am suddenly inspired to start selling copies of CDs online at very low prices. Example:

    *YOUR CHOICE ONLY $2.99*

    Copy of MS Office CD
    Copy of Red Hat 6.2 CD
    Copy of Corel Draw CD
    Copy of Metallica's latest CD
    Copy of MS Win2000 CD

    - hundreds of other popular titles available!

    (Plus $5 shipping and handling per order, of course.)

    Who wants to partner up with me on this thing? I'll supply the Xerox color copier. You make the Web site. We'll send out millions and millions of emails to lucky "pretargeted" Internet users! We'll get rich!

    </joke>

    This scam-thought is partially inspired by the many nude enounter parlors that dotted San Francisco when I lived there years ago. They all had signs that claimed they offered "Oral Sex." After a hapless tourist bit on the come-on and forked over his cash, he was informed that oral sex meant ... talking about it.

    - Robin

  34. Hard drives were in vault by NovaX · · Score: 2

    From the people I've talked to who work at LLNL, the drives were in a vault, which is located behind a copying machine, and is in the secure area. They were in a black suite case, and not been noticed. Of course, they didn't know if the drives were in the correct vault, but they were always safe. Its not quite as news-worthy to state that administration went a bit bonkers and that the drives were safe all along in a vault, instead we must insinuate they fell behind a copy-machine because employees were to busy making photocopies of various body parts.

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  35. Re:Easy way around MS piracy thing -- No by Vhalros · · Score: 2

    Well, you could do that. But what if it checks with the BIOS lock every time you try to install anything from the CD, not just the whole OS?

    Windows will inevitably fuck itself up, and then you will need the CD for something. Windows tends to ask for the CD for changing even trivial things, and if it really fucks up (It does that about twice a year...), you'll have to install reinstall the whole OS.

    So, your solution would work, but every time you want to change anything, you'll have to rip out your hard drive and put it back in the dell. So you'd have to keep a functional dell box sitting around.

    This is actually the reason I switched over to linux, because I got tired of this kind of shit from MS. Linux's technical suppurioty isn't as great as people make it sound (Although it is nice to have an OS that doesn't piss all it's memory away...). And since I've been using it, I've really come to appriciate the idea of free-software (Stallman is right, damn it, free software is inherntly supirior _because_ it's free, not because of fewer bugs/better code, that's just a bonus). But I probably wouldn't have switched over to it in the first place if MS weren't a bunch of dick heads.

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  36. About the Yahoo case -- do something by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 3

    UEJF, one of the two groups who filed the suit against Yahoo, is a jewish students' association. I asked a few jewish friends of mine, and they shared my opinion on them: that they're a bunch of crybabies who is using their heritage in a sad, sad way -- to boost their future carrier probably, as most of them are law students, actually.

    When I first learnt about the lawsuit being filed, I jumped to their website and expressed my disapproval and my concerns in a rather polite manner. In less than an hour, I was called a nazi, a collaborationist and fascist ... Really nice people.

    So I suggest that you all go to their forum and voice your opinion on this, here.

  37. Re:Easy way around MS piracy thing by Phroggy · · Score: 2
    Uhh, have you ever done something like that before? Windows HATES it when you swap hardware like that. Chances are it'd eat itself so bad you'd have to reinstall from scratch. On the wrong box. ;-)

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  38. Recovery CD's are GOOD thing. by sethgecko · · Score: 3
    OK, first off, not giving a copy of the Windows CD is bad. Really bad. That's like buying a copy of the latest Peal Jam CD (insert your favorite bad here) and then finding that it only plays on the bundled CD player. If you ever want to buy (or build) a new CD player it won't work on it. Fine. Bad.

    BUT... for the average consumer this is a GOOD thing. Having to wipe the drive and reinstall Windows (which WILL happen eventually) is a real pain. Normally, the average consumer takes the computer in to the local shop (CompUSA, Micro Center, etc). And pays a fee to have Windows reinstalled.

    Ah, you say. Installing Windows is easy! Well... not really. You boot to the boot disk (do you have one that has CDROM support, if not, too bad) and type D:\setup. This installs windows, no problem. But what about the drivers? When Windows restarts it asks you for the drivers for the sound, video, and modem cards, which are usually included on batch made CD's with multiple drivers. Find the CD for the video card. Navigate to the directory where the driver is, because windows isn't smart enough to scan the whole CD for the correct driver. Load it. Repeat with the other devices, etc. But hope that Windows detects support for your CDROM drive before it detects your other devices, otherwise you won't be able to load the drivers--something that happens pretty often.

    When I worked as a technician for a major computer retailer--our house brand did not include recovery CD's, but just Windows and individual driver disks. I am pretty sure that this is because we could charge $50 a pop for reinstalling Windows properly. (As technicians, WE had the recovery CD's) Lots of revenue there.

    Giving the customer a recovery CD which reinstalls everything properly in one step is a Very Good Thing.

    I cannot stress this enough. 15 - 30 minutes to get back up and running when Windows gets wrecked. This makes life so much easier for consumers and for technicians.

    The main complaint I hear is that you can't then take the OEM Windows CD and install it on a computer you build. But how big a percentage of the population is this anyway? (Since this is slashdot, I also have to ask, why are you installing Windows on a computer you slaved hard at building??? You should now enough to run Linux (or *BSD)).

    If you really want the Windows installation files, buy a burner and copy them from C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS\, right where they've always been on OEM installations of Win9x. Nothing too tough there, is there?

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  39. Bios Lock by mar1boro · · Score: 2

    Compaq has been doing this for at least 3 years.
    And I have been merrily copying the cab files from the cd
    to do manual installs the whole while. I ripped out the mobo
    and just about everything else, and so of course Micropaq
    deemed my purchase of a Windows liscence invalidated. Yeah, ok.

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  40. Why the concept of a Recovery CD REALLY sucks by jblackman · · Score: 3

    I've had experience with these little gems, and they are an absolute bitch to try to use. Actually, let me rephrase -- they're easy enough to utilize (stick in in the cd-rom drive and boot up the computer). But if you want any control over your system at all -- components installed, configuration, etc. -- then you're pretty much out of luck.

    One of my friends was having trouble with her Compaq laptop, and I basically decided to do a fresh install of Windows 98. Since I couldn't find a Windows 98 CD among the materials that came with her computer (because -- surprise, surprise -- there wasn't one!) I had her buy the academic edition through our school.

    Over, hmm, the six or so hours that I wrestled with that installation, I slowly got Windows working with all of the proprietary hardware on the Compaq. However, I just could not find drivers for the sound card. I finally broke down and called Compaq, and they told me that no drivers were available, to use the helpfully marked recovery CD, blah blah, etc.

    Well, I used the recovery CD, and like I said, it was simple enough (a 20 automated minute install vs. the six hours I had spent) but there was no way to stop it from installing all the additional crap that had been bogging her system down in the first place. I tried manually uninstalling all the programs that a.) run in the background and b.) have no apparent function, but there was only so much I could do.

    Honestly, I get the feeling that this particular step taken to combat piracy has just gone too far. Personally, I could probably accept a computer with a machine- or brand-specific bundled OS. I mean, the next computer I buy will probably include an OS one way or another, so I can live with that. It's not particularly fair, it's an example of unreasonable software licenses, but it could also be worse. However, when the step so fundamentally cripples the installation process, you know there's a problem.

  41. Re:HD's and recovery cd by Claudius · · Score: 2

    Who the hell leaves nuclear secretes on hard drives just lying around?

    Someone did, apparently. Actually, if you go to a weapons laboratory and trek behind the multiple layers of security, badge readers, biometric scanners, you'll likely find many computers just "lying around," some of which may have nuclear secrets on them. This may come as a shock to you, but weapons designers actually use this kind of data in performing their jobs. Being able to use data entails being able to access it. Being able to access it entails having the data be somewhat more vulnerable than if it all sat in a sealed concrete bunker with 3 divisions of infantry guarding it. This is the nature of the game--the best you can hope for is to hire qualified people and to have .

    The data is probably copied. The damage is done. Who's the spy?

    Don't jump to conclusions. No evidence has been released that suggests that espionage is in any way related to the drives' disappearance. More plausible scenarios are that someone made an honest mistake in misplacing the drives, or possibly that someone feared losing their job and being prosecuted aggressively by an FBI all too eager to assume the worst of someone. Just ask Wen Ho Lee the price of cooperation with the FBI when someone has a political axe to grind.

    pletonium

    It's playdonium. It comes in many bright colors, tastes salty, and can be molded into most any shape you like--even rockets and bombs. Look for it in the toy section of Walmart.

  42. Is Windows Piracy really a problem? by MrEfficient · · Score: 2
    Would someone please enlighten me as to why Microsoft is worried about piracy. It seems to me that most computers are sold as packaged products (ie: not bought as parts and assembled). Thus they come with Windows pre-installed. The primary need for a windows cd then, would be to reinstall the operating system after some catastrophe or a new hard drive etc..

    Sure, there's some piracy that goes on, I've witnessed people installing windows on used 486's and such, but how is this a big revenue loss for Microsoft. It seems to me that the people who have the most need for a Windows cd are the one's who legitimately paid for it in the first place and just want to re-install it on the same computer or possibly on a second computer they've bought which for some reason does not have windows already.

    Microsoft seems to be shooting themselves in the foot here. As if they're not already in danger from the growing use of linux,BSD, etc.., now they are giving people even more reason to stop using their software altogether. They should be trying to give their users more freedom not less. Personaly though, I'm glad their doing this. I don't use windows except for at work and I hope this will convince more people to switch to one of the free nixes.

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