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Rumors Removed At Apple's Request

Arthropoid writes "Looks like Apple's legal department has been busy of late. After forcing Ad Critic to take down all its Apple commercials, they have struck again, forcing Mac rumors site Mac OS Rumors to take down two stories. Both stories reported on details of Apple's next generation computer and case, supposedly a cube like box (still translucent) with a third party PCI chassis attachable through a connection on the motherboard." I traded email with Ryan Meader at MOSR about this.

(Full disclosure: I own some Apple stock and have been a fan of the company since my Apple][+; also, MOSR's parent company did ads for Slashdot several years ago.)

Apple apparently claimed to MOSR that - among other things - they had "proprietary and statutory rights" that were violated by the stories that ran on the site. Sounds fishy to me. Unless they can prove an NDA was violated (and Meader says none was), I can't see how they have a case. You can't copyright a fact.

But I'm not a lawyer. If any lawyers would like to comment on this, feel free.

Effectively what this means is that large legal fees would have to be paid unless the rumor site removed the rumors. Win or lose, nobody likes to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. It just costs too much to defend so the rumors get pulled. Just a fact of life on today's web.

To be sure, another large factor in MOSR's decision is that they are supporters of Apple and of the Macintosh community. Meader says their website "was originally created to help Apple through the rough times of '95-'97 ... because the Mac community is so protective of its center, we don't feel that it's wise nor beneficial to fight Apple on this."

But, as Meader goes on to say, "The real matter at issue here is that Apple wants to be able to do what they want without taking responsibility for failures, schedule slides, or unpopular plans, until they're already carried through. ...Apple figures that rumor sites are inevitable, so individually they have no value. They can be tossed away when they become an inconvenience, and others will spring up to continue giving them free, no-strings hype."

The end result is that rumor sites are allowed to exist ... as long as they don't get too uppity and cause too much trouble for the bottom line.

But here's an interesting angle. MOSR publishes its stories under the OpenContent License (which goes by the odd acronym "OPL"). If anyone happened to snag a copy of the offending rumors before they were removed, then according to the terms of this license,

"You may copy and distribute exact replicas of the OpenContent (OC) as you receive it, in any medium,"

as long as you reproduce the copyright and warranty-disclaimer, and a few other usual things. Oh, and as long as you're willing to get sued by Apple, whose lawyers presumably will welcome the chance to make themselves, once again, useful.

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  1. Just a game by Golias · · Score: 5
    The Apple lawyers wrote a lot of scarry letters to rumor sites over the 17" iMac "photos" last year. The rumor sites reacted by saying "ah ha! We must be on to something for them to be so mad! It must be true! We have a scoop! We are important!"

    Then the next Mac expo came and went, and it turned out that the rumor was all BS.

    This is probably the same thing happening here. Apple has proven to be a master of misinformation and misdirection in order to make sure that their product announcements will be more suspense filled. It's all Barnum-like showmanship on the part of Steve Jobs. After the expo, the lawyer letters will be forgotten about again.

    Of course, the fact that there is no real story here will not prevent Mac OS Rumors from playing themselves up as martyrs of the free press cause... anything to get a few more web hits.

    --

    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  2. Re:bastards by NetCurl · · Score: 5
    That isn't true. They don't want shit getting out to investors early, they don't want their ideas stolen, they don't want their intellectual property violated. Maybe they are being too careful and coming off as big-brother, but they have to be. Look at all those iMac knock-offs. Don't you think some companies would love to be in-bed with the guys who are thinking up the case designs at Apple? If eMachines could just announce a product that Apple was about to release, who would appear to have gotten there first? Even if eMachines had nothing built?


    I work for a large networking/communications companies (one of the big three in the US) and we are pretty strict about this stuff too. You leave and aren't careful, and they pad lock your door, investigate, and call lawyers.

    --

    It's only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything...

  3. First Pulled MacOSRumors Story by dschuetz · · Score: 5
    This is the first of the two pulled stories, as found on DejaNews (http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=6442993 79). The second story, reportedly, was only up for a very short time and I couldn't find that one online, at least not this morning. Apple's "Cube" desktop Mac confirmed

    After months of obscure reports and unreliable sources, two contacts with extremely solid track records have reported sightings of one of Apple's best-kept secrets -- its next-generation Desktop enclosure and the changes to its product line that will come with it.

    While one of these new reports claims intently that the machine -- a near-perfect cube about 2/3 the size of a modern-day iMac -- will be a complete replacement for today's iMac line-up, the other is not so sure....and the remaining body of evidence is none too clear on whether this enclosure will be applied to the PowerMac or iMac spaces exclusively, or in both.

    Setting that important detail aside for the moment, there is much exciting news about this new Cube that is of much greater reliability:

    • [UPDATED] Approximately 14 inches to a side.
    • Clear polycarbonate plastics similar to today's Macs offer views of the machine's innards, while opaque colored panels sport a large Apple logo and provide a sleek look.
    • Although multiprocessor G4 applications would likely require more powerful cooling, prototypes are fanless. Cooling is provided by numerous large vents on the top and bottom of the enclosure, allowing heat to naturally rise upward and out of the cube.
    • All six faces of the cube are featureless, aside from the power cable and an almost-invisible ports panel on the "back," which handles USB, Firewire, Audio I/O, Ethernet, and the built-in Modem's phone jack.
    • A small tab on one of the "sides" allows for that side to be opened for access to the machine's internals.
    • The entire package, including motherboard and all components, weighs approximately ten pounds.

      There are significant signs that this may be the long-rumored monitorless iMac; for example, the prototype sources have reported on does not appear to have external ports to accept PCI expansion cards. However, there does appear to be enough internal room for them if the external ports were added.

      A related but as yet unconfirmed rumor states that Apple is moving away from including PCI slots by default in PowerMacs, instead wiring the Universal Motherboard Architecture's PCI controller to a small connector which would support an external PCI enclosure with any number of slots. Note that this would be much less expensive than a full-blown PCI Expansion Chassis, which connects a single internal PCI slot to any number of add-on slots via a costly PCI bridge chip and associated hardware. This scheme would merely move PCI expansion outside the default PowerMac enclosure to allow for more innovative small-footprint designs as well as support more than three PCI slots for those who need them.

      For now, all but the details of the Cube enclosure itself are to be considered highly speculative. We will be watching developments in this story very closely -- if you believe you may be able to clarify matters, drop us a line!

  4. Re:Do they hate their users? by finkployd · · Score: 5

    It's the new trend in business (especially high tech business), your customer is your enemy. Movie studios attacking customers for wanting to watch their movies, record labels attacking music fans, software companies attempting to gather as much info from their suckers...errr...customers as possible to make even more money from them, and nearly everyone attacking fan sites.

    They finally figured out we are so sheepish that we will continue to pump money into them even if they mount a full offensive against us. Welcome to 00's consumerism, like it or get sued.

    Finkployd

  5. The Message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    I have obtained the actual message. This is not a joke, this is what Apple mailed to Ryan.

    From cpyrt@apple.com Fri Jul 7 20:56:43 2000
    Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:28:28 -0700
    From: Copyright Admin. <cpyrt@apple.com>
    To: Ryan Meader <ryan@macosrumors.com>
    Subject: NOTICE OF INFRINGEMENT

    *Apple Confidential*
    -NOT FOR POSTING OR REDISTRIBUTION-

    Dear Ryan,

    Re: www.macosrumors.com

    It has been brought to our attention that you have posted an article on
    the above web site titled, 'Apple's "Cube" desktop Mac confirmed'
    (hereafter referred to as "the Article").

    By posting the Article, you are improperly disclosing Apple's trade
    secrets. Apple believes that the person(s) who disclosed the information
    in the Article to you violated their non-disclosure agreement with Apple.
    Consequently, Apple has never authorized the information to be disclosed
    or published and your continued display of the Article could result in
    your company being held for violating Apple's proprietary rights. Your
    continued dissemination and use of this information is in violation of
    Apple's statutory and other rights.

    We believe, in good faith, that the information posted is being used in a
    manner that is not authorized by Apple and that the information contained
    in this email is accurate. Therefore, Apple demands that you cease and
    desist from disseminating the Article posted at the referenced URL
    immediately, including any hyperlinks to other locations where the
    information or Article may be available from all web sites and servers
    under your control.

    Please immediately remove the Article and confirm in writing by Monday,
    July 10, 2000 that you have removed the Article from your web site.
    Apple reserves its right to seek immediate equitable and other relief,
    including damages claims, should you fail to remove this material.

    Thank your for your courtesy and immediate cooperation. I can be reached
    at (408) 974-9994 should you have any questions.

    Sincerely,
    Sue Runfola
    Apple Computer, Inc.
    Legal

    Sue Runfola
    Apple Legal
    Copyright Administration
    1 Infinite Loop, MS: 38-I
    Cupertino, CA 95014

    Phone: (408) 974-9994
    Email: copyright@apple.com
    Fax: (408) 974-5436

    THIS TRANSMISSION MAY BE PRIVILEGED AND MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL
    INFORMATION INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSON(S) NAMED ABOVE. ANY OTHER
    DISTRIBUTION, RE-TRANSMISSION, COPYING OR DISCLOSURE IS STRICTLY
    PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE
    NOTIFY ME IMMEDIATELY BY TELEPHONE OR RETURN E-MAIL, AND DELETE THIS
    FILE/MESSAGE FROM YOUR SYSTEM.

  6. Re:Why does anyone like Apple? by P.+Legba · · Score: 5

    Clue me in. Why does Apple get all this loyalty? The products are good in a lot of ways, but they're not that good (be honest!). Is it the home of people who just like to be different from the mainstream, and that's the attraction?

    I'll tell you why I'm a Machead.

    My first computer was a TeleVideo TS803 which ran CP/M 2.2. I tinkered and toyed with that thing to no end, but the only thing I ever really got done was typing up papers in WordStar. I reassembled the OS, made patches, got dangerously close to learning Z80 assembly language and anguished over my inability to get software in my disk format (one of about 75 at the time). I finally got it working as a smart terminal, dialing into Clemson University's VAX Ultrix machine to use email and Usenet. Never did get it to function as a BBS...

    When it came time to buy a new machine, I made the decision to go with the star-crossed Mac IIvx for one simple reason: It just worked. I was planning on going into a graphics/design/publishing-oriented field, and I had had experience with Macs doing the literary magazine at school. The user experience with the Mac was so superior to anything available from the Windoze side (3.1?), it was only natural. I had had plenty of experience with Ultrix, emacs and all that, and I still appreciate its power; but in reality, the software to do what I want to do is simply not there (still).

    So maybe I'm a contrarian at heart, but there remain practical reasons why I've recently purchased my fifth Mac (an iMac DV SE). Obviously it isn't the ease of upgrading, the stability of the OS or anything of that nature. It's the fact that my Macs have become extensions of my thought processes. The software system feels natural. It stays out of my way and helps me at the same time instead of asking me one too many times if I'm sure that's what I want to do, or allowing me to hose my system when I've been awake too long trying to hold my eyes open long enough to finish a project.

    Apple has long been a pioneer perfecting this systematic user experience. I don't begrudge them their protection of their intellectual property because I watched Microsoft build a world-dominating monster largely on the ideas which emerged from Apple R&D. It's as someone else said...suppose eMachines had announced their product ahead of the introduction of the iMac...the source of the innovative industrial design would have been in question. Apple, like NeXT had, has industrial design as a top priority, and any leaks that threaten their edge in this area of emerging importance should be plugged and fast.

    No, Apple hasn't always been run well. Neither has it always been run by the same people. Under a more mature Jobs, Apple has fought back from the edge of oblivion with a focus on bringing computing out of the server closet, so to speak, and putting it in the hands of "the rest of us." The rest of us no longer want to tinker with hardware or recompile our OS (even if some of us know how)...we just want to put the system to work as a tool in the construction of our cultural future.

    As for loyalty, few machines are apt to be described in such anthropomorphic terms. My Macs always have been loyal, so to speak. They're something other than computers, as I said...they're extensions of my thought processes. I value that, in spite of their limitations...my own limitations are more troubling.

    P.

  7. Why *I* like Apple, anyways by fritter · · Score: 5
    I continue to buy Macs for a couple of reasons. First off (not that this is neccesarily an "advantage" :), the problems everyone constantly repeats ad nauseum on the MacOS - bad VM, bad multitasking, no protected memory - aren't nearly as bad as they're made out to be. I use Windows 2000 at one of my jobs, and run 98, RedHat, and OpenBSD on a few boxen at home, and haven't really been blown away by any of this in real-world usage between systems. The MacOS has gotten decent enough at working around its limitations that only rarely do processes not play nice with each other, hog memory, etc. The only exception to this is that it bugs me when I can't launch a new program while starting Photoshop. :) But other than that, MacOS "feels" as modern as Win2K et al in day to day use.

    On top of that, when I use any Mac app, I can intuitively go to "Edit->Preferences" to change the behavior of the program. On my PCs, sometimes it's in "Tools->Options", sometimes "Edit->Whatever", sometimes the File menu, and so on and so forth. I really do find the interface much more consistent and smooth when using my Mac. Insert Aqua ranting here

    Plus at work, I have two scanners plugged into my machine. One works with Win2K, one will not because HP hasn't updated the drivers yet - this being the third driver codebase they'll have to maintain for Microsoft OS's (the alternative being to maintain only two and abandon NT4). Out of all the cards and peripherals I've added to my aging machine over the years, I think I've had to install drivers like once. And that was only for added functionality. One thing that bugs me about PC folk in general is their automatic reaction - "Apple MUST open their hardware!" Shouldn't "freedom of choice" include "the freedom to choose a closed hardware/software architecture"? Even if you think it's stupid, at least try to understand there are some of us that like this relationship, propietary ROMs and all (Of course, those only live on in spirit, but still :).

    The only thing that's tempted me to switch primary platforms recently is the constant wear of going to PC-dominated offices every day, or checking Slashdot every day to see the same constant knee-jerk "MAC USERZ ARE ALL |D|0+5!" postings plastered all over any Apple-centric article. You wouldn't believe how much crap people give you when you work at an ISP or - god help you - an MIS department. Someday they'll tell my harrowing story. :) Oh well, could be worse - I could be an Amiga user! Now they're really crazy! *duck*