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Caldera Close To Buying SCO Unix

So much happened yesterday that this story sorta slipped through the cracks: Is Caldera Buying SCO? I don't know which company I consider less relevant (Don't flame me! I simply don't know anyone who runs either SCO or Caldera! No that isn't an invitation for both of you to e-mail me and complain!) but it is a pretty strange pairing.

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  1. Re:Caldera vs. SCO by Tiro · · Score: 3
    Right on. We all remember when the SCO CEO declared Linux irrelevent, then came back with a Linux strategy for his own company only a few months later.

    He's such a moron :]

  2. Isn't it obvious what Caldera would do? by whitroth · · Score: 4

    This make perfect sense for Caldera. Before Corel came in, they were the ones in the US market pushing their release of Linux as business-oriented. By buying SCO, they can
    a) call their release of Linux UNIX (which
    might, of course, slide over to cover
    every release);
    b) gain a *large* customer base (for example,
    I happen to know Walgreen's uses SCO), and
    c) would let the SCO folks migrate to Linux,
    which might be what's happening, anyway,
    esp. since SCO has announced support for
    Linux, but might make it easier, and gain
    more upper mgmt support.

    Think, 20 years ago, of IBM and DEC.

    mark

  3. Linux may become a UNIX by Grimwiz · · Score: 3

    Hmmm, I seem to remember that SCO is the owner of the UNIX trademark.

    Linux has up to now been called unix-ish because designing something to be POSIX compatible makes a system behave very unixy anyway. However the real UNIX trademark is based on money, not just compatibility. Maybe the Caldera move will actually enable us to call it UNIX, in the same way that Solaris, AIX and HPUX are all UNIX.

    also...

    SCO also owns a lot of intellectual property which whilst a lot of it has been re-engineered as open source there are a few things that would give Caldera an edge.

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  4. Plenty of solid reasons. by hatless · · Score: 5

    For one thing, SCO has Tarantella, a nifty multi-OS graphical-terminal-server technology similar to Citrix's MetaFrame. For another thing, SCO's Unix has some nice innards that would be nice to get hold of, although as others have noted, some of those pieces may end up being sold off separately to a company like Sun.

    But more importantly, probably, SCO has an estblished professional sales force and field offices, and a Rolodex full of current paying customers at medium-to-large companies that have both server and desktop deployments of Unix on x86 hardware. Caldera's desktop and server Linux distros target SCO's traditional markets directly, more so than any other Linux distro, and they're probably looking to set up more field sales offices and build up their sales force.

    Sounds like a sensible move to me.

  5. Caldera vs. SCO by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 3

    I know a few people who run Caldera, and I have about as much respect for SCO as the typical Slashdot reader (i.e. none) but I think that SCO is (or rather, was) a much more relevant company than Caldera. Before Linux/*BSD hit the mainstream (for the backend, I mean, not the desktop) SCO was the forerunner in x86 UNIX.

    'course, I'm not sorry to see them go. They're a bunch of assholes.
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  6. Re:What does SCO have to offer by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 3
    All SCO brings to the table is their name and trust relationship with suits. Some places absolutely will not run Linux on their x86 boxes, and instead insist on using SCO, despite their insane pricing scheme, and shaky stability.

    SO what caldera gets here is the ability to sell to more "conservative" companies... you know, the ones that actually believe that they need to be able to sue a company with a REAL OS, like SCO...

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  7. Re:But do they get Project Monterey? by Netsnipe · · Score: 3
    I posted the following background on the Monterey Alliance when SCO had announced it was for sale when I too asked of its fate; but I'll repost here for the sake of my answer.
    Monterey , as you may or may not know, is the recently formed alliance between several Unix distributors, who having faced the prospect of rewriting their operating systems for the 64-bit Itanium processor decided to pool their resources. Monterey was to have been a combination of IBM's AIX, Sequent's Dynix and SCO's Unixware with technical support from other companies such as Compaq and would run on the IA-64 and PowerPC chips (support for AMD's 64-bit chips have yet to be announced).

    Monterey was to have a signified a shot in the arm for Unix vendors who are being beset by not only the growing market share of Linux and Windows NT. Industry momentum is building and commitment is growing for Monterey on IA-64, which will be "a leading, high volume, channel-ready, shrink-wrapped, UNIX operating system" as trumpeted by its developers."

    Apparently, IBM had bought out Sequent in recent times and on the day that SCO went up for sale rumours went around that IBM would buy out SCO as well, but surprise, Caldera has beat IBM to it. IBM?s original strategy on the Unix/Linux front was always that it would continue supporting Linux as a choice for low to mid end servers, while supporting the Monterey project to develop a Unix distribution for its high end servers and for clients want a "supported" OS. I guess that Monterey is also IBM's attempt to retain costs that would otherwise by cannibalised by Linux.

    Caldera, being a Linux distributor would also follow this same strategy as SCO's current contributions to the Monterey are to valuable at the moment to ignore and left out to rot; and now seeing that one of the aims of Monterey is to provide Linux emulation/binary support(?), as well as a native Linux IA32/PPC code tree, Caldera would surely capitalise on their expertise and experience and would surely be a worthy addition to the alliance in there own right.

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  8. SCO by ahappli · · Score: 5

    SCO back in the late 80's early 90's was one of the leaders in x86 Unix versions. Unfortunatly they also had a habit of selling each individual piece that they thought they could. For example, if you wanted TCP/IP, you had to buy it seperatly, if you wanted to compile something on SCO you had to buy the compiler seperatly. If you wanted to just about anything you had to buy the component. Thier searchable Web Help was very nice when I found it around 1994 or 95. But a full SCO system, just the OS would run a couple of thousand dollars. The hardware was cheap, but the OS was expensive. Linux has pretty much taken over everything that SCO was good at, and does better at some things that SCO could.

  9. Re:Caldera and SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    Let's see... Caldera has provided the following:

    o Dynamic channel allocation for PPP in the Linux kernel

    o A large chunk of Linux's IPX support

    o 100% of Linux's SPX support

    o Commercial viability (they brought companies like WordPerfect and Sun to Linux)

    o Netscape, which was about to drop Linux as a supported platform (like they dropped FreeBSD), stopped when Caldera offered to take over their Linux development. Do I need to go into what the Linux landscape would look like if Netscape was permitted to drop Linux support? Can we picture a world where muttering "ESR" would be followed by "who??"?

    o The first version of RPM was developed using Caldera funds. Hmmm...

    o NFS support for Linux (at least some mutations of it) is still maintained by Olaf Kirch, a Caldera engineer

    o The LSB project's reference platform lead is Ralf Flaxa, a Caldera engineer

    o Nick Petreley, the main evangelist and marketeer for LSB, works for Caldera

    o Caldera supports projects like XFree86, KDE, and Willows

    o Caldera is responsible for the first Compaq Netelligent NIC drivers

    o Caldera has open sourced both the NKFS module used by their NetWare client (they can't open source their NetWare client because THEY DON'T OWN THE TECHNOLOGY; NOVELL DOES) and their Lizard installer. I recall lots of you bitching about Lizard being closed source. It's been open for a while; are you using it? Somehow I doubt it (it's easier to bitch than to back up your words with actions, isn't it?).

    I could probably go on, but what good would it do? The average Slashdotter will probably see to it that this remains moderated down to 0 or below so that nobody will see it. It's safer that way. We must make sure that Caldera does not get credit for anything! (Give me a break...)

  10. Caldera, SCO deny takeover talks by Chyeburashka · · Score: 4
    The denial story is here.

    Meanwhile, consider the following:

    • Novell bought Unix from ATT
    • Ray Noorda was CEO of Novell
    • SCO bought Unix from Novell
    • Ray Noorda owns 83.5% of Caldera
    Maybe Mr. Noorda just wants to get Unix back at a fire sale price.