Cryptome Threatened

e-gold writes: "See www.cryptome.org for a scoop on some Japanese CIA intel. John Young (an architect) does a better job at journalism on the Web than the VAST majority of paid "Web journalists," so this is par for the course for him. I'm glad to have hoisted a beer with him this summer." It's not so much the document itself but the FBI's reaction to it that's interesting. For some reason, the FBI in New York City is none too swift when it comes to threatening Web sites. Note that as I write this, cryptome.org is down, but there's no reason to think the site was pulled - it was mentioned on the AP wire, which seems to have been enough to beat it down to its knees.

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Other John Young News

[Jim Tyre]

Apparently, the FBI isn't enough to keep John busy. In the New York DVD/DeCSS trial, he's been trying to get a live raw feed of the court reporter's notes using LiveNote.

If he gets it, it will be a first. This is what Judge Kaplan said about the request during trial on Wednesday:

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1 THE COURT: Before we start, is Mr. Young in the
2 courtroom?
3 I have had a request from a John Young at Cryptome
4 for an approval of a live feed of proceedings from the court
5 reporter who's doing the realtime for the purpose of receiving
6 the transcript as it's generated to post on the Internet.
7 I wanted to inform him, and if anybody is talking to
8 him, you can tell him that the matter is under consideration,
9 but it involves a whole series of complex issues that involve
10 the court reporters' rights for being compensated for their
11 work, the fact that the realtime transcript in this case,
12 because of the technical nature of much of the time leaves a
13 great deal to be desired, inasmuch as neither party has yet
14 provided the court reporter with a glossary, at least so I
15 have been told in the last five minutes, so the draft
16 transcript is not what it would be if that had occurred.
17 And thirdly, I need technical advice on the extent to
18 which if at all connecting any outside computer by direct
19 cable to the court reporters' equipment potentially gives
20 access to my own equipment.
21 And, lastly, there are U.S. judicial conference rules
22 that prohibit electronic connections between computers that
23 are on the Judiciary's network and anybody outside the
24 judiciary and mine is on the judiciary's network.
25 I will look into these matters, but it isn't going to

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1 happen in a matter of hours.

Re:Other John Young News

[AndrewD]

It's actually an excellent notion, much though I misdoubt anyone involved in the administration of that courtroom is reading this.

I have a lot of time for LiveNote, where the size of the proceedings justifies the cost of using it: in our regular courts here in the UK, proceedings are tape-recorded and transcribed by one of the certified transcription services if someone asks for it (this arrangement is done on grounds of cost - most proceedings don't need a transcript). It's slow, unwieldy and a pain in the backside since all you get is a typed transcript.

LiveNote, where I've had it for arbitration hearings (usually at least as formal as courtroom work) has been a real boon, since it's quick and reasonably accurate. A direct link from the hearing room to the office has never really justified the cost (if something urgent comes up, someone ducks out of the hearing room to phone back for whatever document is needed.)

Perhaps when speech recognition gets good enough to distinguish between speakers, filter out coughs and generally behave to the point where a box in the courtroom will do it automatically, we can all spectate on trials in progress.

On the other hand, the embuggerment to the orderly progress of justice that TV cameras in the courtroom represent (grandstanding witnesses and lawyers, for example) might come in through the back door. Here in England we've resisted cameras in court for precisely this reason and so haven't had OJ/Kennedy-Smith shenanigans yet (our miscarriages of justice tend to be less showy). Whether the court service and the judges will regard real-time verbatim reporting as an extension of the same thing is an interesting question.

Re:Why did Slashdot "hide" this

[Phr3n3tik]

Yes!! Damn CmdrTaco and the evil regime of "There are no conspiracies!" Here's one, and they won't even publish it!! too much fear of losing andover's support I guess...
Bah!

Re:Cryptome.org still down

[Phr3n3tik]

still down as of 03:45 25/7/2000...

Cryptome.org still down

[Jetifi]

As I write this, Cryptome is still down. This is at 10:14 GMT July 24th 2000.

Lucky I saved all the offending material to my HD...

FYI, the people who requested the removal of the information were Special Agent James Castano and his immediate superior, Dave Marzigliano.

The published e-mail address was nccs-ny@fbi.gov

Be sure to let them know your views!

Re:Cryptome.org still down

[Phr3n3tik]

(GDT) oh, and
"Slow down cowboy!

Slashdot requires you to wait 1 minute between each submission of /comments.pl in order to allow everyone to have a fair chance to post.

It's been 1 minute since your last submission!"

Re:Cryptome.org still down

[Jetifi]

and it's 26/7/2000 12:47 GMT. On a similar note, kuro5hin.org has been taken down due to DOS attacks...

Cryptome IS up, kinda.

[rosie_bhjp]

Pulled this from here

To: intelforum@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Update on JYA site
From: John Young
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:08:55 -0400
Reply-To: intelforum@xxxxxxx
Sender: owner-intelforum
JYA and Cryptome are fully loaded and running under their IP addresses, awating hostname switchover. Thetwin pages: JYA 216.167.120.49/crypto.htm Cryptome 216.167.120.50

Bookmarks using hostnames will not work just yet.

There's a brief account of what seems to have caused the outage on the opening page -- from the viewpointof Digital Nation and Verio.

If port 80 was shut off, it was not at our request. Here is the Drudge-munged URL:

http://jya.com/crypto.htmhttp:// jya.com/crypto.htm

Yes, a back to back embedded link under the visible, correct URL. Those who figured out the mistake typed in the correct URL rather than madly pounding the clicker.

The favicon.ico attack did not seem supported by the error logs -- the great bulk of those accrued before the outage. And we never saw them as a bother, but, listen, we have little idea of what goes on in the embedded-code Internet, or the embedded-code world.

We have indeed received much advice, consolation and ridicule over this teapot, and appreciate all of it, the ridicule mostso for its apt match of our rogue state.

John Young

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The explanation is about 3/4 of the way down the page.

rosie_bhjp

www.cryptome.org is up (but firewalled)

[Anonymous Coward]

traceroute to www.cryptome.org is working and completes

traceroute to www.cryptome.org (216.167.102.14), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 adsl-63-195-209-9.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (63.195.209.9) 16 ms 24 ms 17 ms
2 core5-vlan50.lsan03.pbi.net (216.102.176.193) 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms
3 edge1-ge2-0.lsan03.pbi.net (206.13.29.205) 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms
4 lang1sr3-so-5-2-0-0.ca.us.prserv.net (165.87.157.206) 13 ms 13 ms 23 ms
5 165.87.157.189 (165.87.157.189) 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms
6 sl-bb10-ana-2-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.17) 17 ms 16 ms 13 ms
7 sl-bb12-sj-4-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.18.74) 24 ms 21 ms 23 ms
8 sl-bb10-sj-8-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.85) 33 ms 24 ms 24 ms
9 sl-bb22-rly-12-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.217) 82 ms 84 ms 90 ms
10 sl-bb12-rly-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.14) 95 ms 82 ms 87 ms
11 sl-bb20-rly-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.1) 86 ms 94 ms 85 ms
12 sl-bb10-rly-8-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.7.210) 83 ms 84 ms 88 ms
13 sl-bb5-dc-0-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.7.162) 106 ms 89 ms 91 ms
14 208.28.7.19 (208.28.7.19) 96 ms 98 ms 99 ms
15 sl-csg-1-0-0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.108.94) 90 ms 89 ms 88 ms
16 fe0910.ed2.wdc.dn.net (209.207.190.26) 87 ms 86 ms 86 ms
17 216.167.102.14 (216.167.102.14) 88 ms 89 ms 88 ms

Just telnet's to any port don't respond.

(ObRumor-mongoring), wonder if carnivore has anything to do with it. Wonder if sprint has carnivore installed . . .

Freenet

[phUnBalanced]

You might also be interested to know that this information (FBI names etc) and files have all been posted into the freenet system. They'll be around for quite a while it appears. Freenet

Why did Slashdot "hide" this

[Anonymous Coward]

This is a very important article!! Yet it has only 7 replies (including "first post"). Why is it not in the slashdot front page? I had to get to it only by clicking a link on YRO. The FBI taking down a Web site is far too important to hide.

Cryptome mirror

[juju2112]

For the record, there is a nice mirror of cryptome at: https://www.ccc.de/mirrors/cryptome.org/ I am surprised that there is not more about this in the traditional hacker media.. this seems like a huge deal to me..

and so is www.jya.com

[MattT]

At 16:45(EDT) it's still down...

Re:Why isn't this bothering people?

[rock_kat]

FWIW - this does bother me !! I look to JYA as a source of 'real' news. If the FBI has carried out its threats, then who's next? Yep, wish this could be cranked up to a higher level so more folks would be aware. Tooo much coincidence for me. rock_kat

Cryptome and 2600 Inaccessible - Who's Responsible

[Paracelsus]

For the past week, John Young's invaluable resource cryptome (jya.com) has been completely inaccessible. And now 2600.com appears to have fallen victim. I presume these sites are victims of an orchestrated attack. The question is by whom? CIA vs JYA? MPAA vs 2600? And why is this story virtually invisible?