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SuSE 7.0
DickBreath writes: "It looks like SuSE 7.0 is released. See http://linuxpr.com/releases/2272.html. Now I wonder how soon it will be on my local bookstore's shelf." cloudmaster points to this description -- in German, there for the babelfishing adventurer -- of the new release. In addition to the ever-evolving SuSE logo, you'll find there that SuSE is branching ala Red Hat and others into Personal and Professional versions; the Personal comes with "three easy to understand handbooks" intended to guide new users, one of which is all about system configuration.
I dunno, I mean the naming thing is a facade. You really have to compare OS by value of features. Honestly, you have Linux-Mandrake 7.1 which is just Red Hat 6.2 and some other stuff, I think. So, what the heck is the deal with the revision naming? Maybe the best indicator is just a comparison chart of features on some website. Anyone know of a "trusted" comparison chart?
With the version 7.0 SuSE new ways goes. After seven years as most successful Linux Distributor in the German market it is now past with the " Linux Einerlei ": With " personnel " SuSE Linux starts the extensive " Professional " through on the domestic Desktop PC, meets all desires and request, which a professional places to its Linux.
SuSE Linux 7,0 personnel contacts Linux Einsteiger and private users, which would like to become acquainted with the advantages of the free Unix clone on a Desktop computer. Apart from current Linux system, are contained on three D-CRcOcMs numerous applications from the areas Games, Multimedia, picture handling and Internet. Which home and Officeanwender estimate: with StarOffice a complete Office package is attached to 5,2, which guarantees a smooth data exchange with other Office applications owing to revised import and export filters.
Three easily understandable manuals arrange spielerisch handling the new system for the Linux beginner: The " Quick Install manual " describes the Linux installation on 64 multicolored pages with numerous pictures step for step. With the new " Konfiguration" book learns the user, printer, scanner, D-CBurner, diagram -, to merge sound and TV cards optimally and to arrange the KDE Desktop after its taste. Netscape navigator, Gimp, Acrobat reader or Midnight Commander obtains the resuming manual " the programs " in compact form an overview of the most important functions of the most popular the acct the acct idiomacct idioms such as StarOffice.
SuSE Linux Professional 7,0 offers to ambitionierten home users such as IT professionals admits extensive collection of over 1500 current Linux tools and software packages. With SuSE Linux Professional can be implemented Intranet and Internet solutions likewise like the connection and the protection of heterogeneous networks. Profesionelle users find here all Tools, in order to WWW -, Proxy -, Mail -, News servers under Linux to put. The user has the selection between six D-CRcOcMs and a DVD, which is all together contained in the Professional package. Altogether four manuals supply on over 1000 pages current Linux Know how from first hand - also to special topics such as network configuration and security.
SuSE offers a economical update version beyond that to experienced Linux users. Their software scope is identical to SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional; in place of the 650-seitigen, detailed SuSE manual a compressed 60-seitige informs documentation about the most important innovations.
Substantially extended also the installation support contained in the purchase price presents itself: Immediately the SuSE Hotline is in five - instead of so far two - afternoons per week to services. Professional customers keep in the future 90 days long to support from the SuSE professionals, one month longer than so far. Users of the personal or update version have requirement on 60 days installation support.
More comfort offers also the again extended YaST2: In addition now the Nachinstallieren and Deinstallieren belong of single packages just like a NIS Client module or the configuration of the t-cDrl-acces. Also a graphic inetd.conf wordprocessor is new in Yast2 with which server services also separately from the Clients to install leaves itself. KDE enthusiasts can be pleased already now about the more than 200 Tools of PRE-KDE 2,0, the all-newest status of this " NEXT Generation" Desktops really succeeded.
Thus SuSE Linux is the only operating system that the complete installation enables to also blind users. The Braille lines are detected automatically with the start of the installation.
The 7,0 offers again a true filling horn at new features: Immediately the diagram chips profit from ATI, NVidia and Matrox from the XFree86 4.0-Grafikpower. - and gibtx27s only with SuSE - the support for dia. moon Fire GL1 is brand-new. Even if it is not yet official " raus ": SuSE already now brings a Linux Kernel, which one may call owing to numerous extensions confidently 2.2.17-pre. The extended USB support supplies experimental US multicolored supporting for ISDN, floppy one and Iomega Zip 250. For the first time now also scanners at the parallel port under Linux can be addressed. The support for the Adaptec RAID CONTROLLER is new. Also for the SCSI adapters on NCR base of the super+fast Symbios log IC chip SYM53C89Ä and SYM53C1010 participate now drivers. Also the advancement of the ATA standard on 100 mc/s is supported with the new SuSE Linux 7,0. Thus penetrates OATHS now into the performance regions from SCSI before Big bread ago including: SuSE Linux offers Videoconferencing in accordance with H.323-Standard. An extended bttv driver provides finally for a global support of TV cards. Also Java2 of IBM and Sun are not missing on the Professional. The Knaller from the o.l. SA labs: SuSE Linux 7,0 brings a hardware-supporting Plug and Play driver as the first distribution for all Yamaha (kompatiblen) Soundkarten with YMF72x and YMF74x-Chips.
SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional empfielt itself by improved Raw DEVICE support, LFS (Large file support) and 4GB-Hauptspeicheradressierung vehement now also as server system for very large and complex applications of data bases. The optimized support for fully automatic installations and the new SuSE Tool ALICE (AUTOMATIC Linux installation and Configuration Environment) enable a rational configuration management in enterprise networks
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At the risk of being moderated down for being a smart @$$ -- why don't you just go ahead and try it. The full shrink rapped copy is only $30 and of course you can download the trail version. You can get the entire thing through ftp from ftp.suse.com but that is somewhat painful.
Anyway, SuSE is nice since the cds come with everything including the very useful kitchen_sink.rpm. You might think about getting SuSE if you are hooked to the internet with a 14.4 modem. If you go to the default yast2 then it is set for newbies. However, if you boot off the floppy or the second cd then you get yast1. Yast1 is quite configurable and should be fine for more experienced users. Almost everything is configurable with yast which may be the best part of SuSE.
Yes, Yast is free as in beer but not as in speech -- get over it! SuSE does a lot for xfree86 and are worth supporting.
With version 7.,0 SuSE goes in new directions. After seven years as the most successful Linux distro in the German market it is now popular (?) with Linux developers. With Personal SuSE for a desktop PC and on through the extensive Professional SuSE for workplaces, SuSE Linux meets all the demands and requests.
SuSE Linux 7.0 Personal
SuSE Linux 7.0 Personal is recommended for Linux developers and users who would like to become acquainted with the advantages of a free Unix clone on a desktop computer. In addition to thecurrent Linux system, the three CD-ROMs contain numerous games, multimedia, graphics, and Internet applications. StarOffice 5.2, a complete office package, is included, guaranteeing a smooth data exchange with other office applications thanks to its revised import and export filters.
Three easily understandable manuals arrange information on operating the new system for the Linux beginner: The "Quick Install manual" describes the Linux installation on 64 color pages with numerous step-by-step pictures. The new "Configuration" book teaches the user how to configure the printer, scanner, CD-R driver, how to merge sound and TV cards optimally, and how to arrange the KDE Desktop to your taste. The last manual, "The Programs" presents an overview of the most functions of Netscape Navigator, the GIMP, Acrobat Reader and Midnight Commander in compact form.
SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional
SuSE Linux Professional 7.0 offers to ambitious home users (such as IT professionals) an extensive collection of over 1,500 current Linux tools and software packages. SuSE Linux Profesional contains the tools to implement Intranet and Internet solutions, as well as the connection and protection of those networks. Professional users will find all the tools to operate WWW, proxy, mail, and news servers under Linux. The user can choose between 6 CD-ROMs or a DVD, all of which are contained in the Professional package. A total of four manuals supply over 1000 pages of current Linux know-how, as well as covering special topics such as network configuration and security.
SuSE Linux 7.0 updates
In addition, SuSE offers a economical update version to experienced Linux users. Its software scope is identical to SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional; in place of the detailed 650-page SuSE manual, a compressed 60-page informs users about the most important innovations.
(Okay, I haven't taken German in a few years, but this should at least provide some information...)
What are you smoking? The GPL specifically states that someone may charge however much they wish for a GPL'd proggie. Go learn to fucking read
I'm an advanced user, so my opinion of what might be good for a beginner is probably very skewed.
I've been running SuSE for a while now, since a co-worker of mine went to work for them. One of the major things that attracted me to it was that one of the install options is the ability to choose ReiserFS as your default (root) filesystem.
I first installed 6.3. Recently, I installed a new box with 6.4-eval (they call their downloaded versions evals). I'm not at all afraid of non-graphical installs - I've been installing commercial UNIX boxes over a serial console for years. I found myself very much impressed with the graphical configuration/installation that SuSE has going. It found my hardware, presented appropriate technical options [module params] if you wanted them, etc.
All in all, I think it's a perfect blend of easy-to-use, and the level of control that your typical UNIX geek wants. The configure scripts are well thought out, and centered around a core "/etc/rc.config" settings file - which you can edit yourself if you wish, or have YaST do it for you.
..and it comes with damn near everything, but doesn't install all the fluff unless you want it to.
They offer add-on packages that aren't really part of the distro because they're not really mature yet, such as XFree86 4.0, on their FTP site.
Furthermore, they're going from a release 6.4 to a 7.0. This isn't abnormal. Part of it may be version creep - but it really wouldn't surprise me if it does, in fact, merit a full version increment.
I've tried most of the major Linux distributions - and SuSE is the one I've stuck with.
-Jeff
As for where SuSE fits, well it's BIG in Europe, and for corporate users, it's nice to have support just a car drive away - Internet or not. It's the default distro I'll get at local shops.
It's well known that they throw in a lot of stuff that you'd otherwise have to download. About 50% of the things I'd download actually are on the CD's.
Less known is probably that they're very fast getting the latest versions, drivers and stuff integrated in their distro. I was pleased to find USB support in 6.4, ATA/66 running fine out of the box, and XFree 4.0 with a nice GFX config tool. (Check those unsorted directories on their CD's for the XFree!)
SuSE is a hardworking gang that doesn't get all the PR they deserve - not everything needs to be RedHat :)
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It's time to storm the redmond campus with toilet paper and potatoes...
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I hate to break this to you, but envelope masquerading, or anything else the requires hacking at sendmail's configuration files, is "advanced customization". If you want to get a sense of the kinds of questions SuSE probably gets all the time, look at comp.os.linux.misc on Usenet sometime.
Their rule is probably "If it can't be done with YaST, we won't touch it".
- Sam
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The latest SuSE release doesn't have any new features that would justify the version number 7. There are a few things that are quite new, like the fact, that you can now get a professional and a personal edition, the personal edition costing as much as the "normal" edition used to cost, whereas the professional version will cost DM 129 (compared to DM 89). The other new thing is "a much improved" yast2, which in my opinion is completely useless. I like yast a lot and use it on a daily basis, but I see no need for a badly designed graphical version of it. Have you ever tried selecting a bunch of packages with a doubleclick for each item? that's fun... my wrist starts hurting whenever I think about that... the graphical installer sucks compared to Caldera's, which is really smooth, has awesome hardware detection and let's me configure things while the installation is running... yast2 in comparison has a GUI that is non-intuitiv, the hardware-detection misses stuff Caldera detects and the installation process takes longer.
what else is new? hmm, a KDE2beta snapshot, a patched XFree 4.0, other than that nothing that I could remember...
Personally, I couldn't care less whether they have a personal and a professional version out, since I always just install the stuff via NFS from fpt.gwdg.de, which is the local mirror and is always up-to-date when it comes to SuSE. I understand that SuSE tries to package a distribution that is geared towards the enduser or beginner and one package for developers or "powerusers", but I think a lot of customers will be confused by the new packaging... oh yeah, speacking about packaging, I wish they would finally get a real marketing team and then get rid of this crappy logo, the weird mathematical figures and the ugly colors.
The cheaper update versions are only available in Germany (perhaps other countries served from Germany as well ?). They are not available for US customers.
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Thank you Slashdot for another beautifully misleading story! SUSE 7 is NOT OUT. SUSE 7 has been announced for the end of the month (though that probably means boxes, with the iso's waiting a while longer). We are providing SUSE with some of the early FUD publicity that MS is so famous for. If the story was "SUSE announces SUSE 7 using 2.4, X4, KDE2, mozilla, apache 2" and every other major release coming then it would be a story. All they have done is announce that they want to extract some more money from the market by doing an Intel/MS/AMD by selling a cut-down version for lusers that will truly cost as much to produce as the main version.
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It's just an announcement that they will make two versions, a "Personal" and a "Professional" version.
;-)
I don't consider it as _released_.
According to the press release: Both versions will be available at the end of August.
Don't panic
Substantially extended the installation support contained in the purchase price. Now the SuSE Service Hotline is operating five - instead of the previous two - afternoons per week. Professional Edition customers have 90 days of support from the SuSE professionals, one month longer than previously. Users of the Personal or Update Version have 60 days installation support.
YaST2 & KDE 2.0 - and the Desktop lives!
The upgraded YaST2 offers more comfort. In addition now the Nachinstallieren and Deinstallieren are single packages, just like a NIS Client module or the configuration of the T-DSL-Access. YaST2 also includes a new graphic inetd.conf editor, with which server services also install separately from the Clients. KDE enthusiasts will be pleased to know about the more than 200 Tools of PRE-KDE 2.0, the all-newest stat of "Next Generation" Desktops.
Support of Braille lines with the installation
So far, SuSE Linux is the only operating system with a complete installation for blind users. The Braille lines are detected automatically at the start of the installation.
Hardware ;)]
[This part may be a little off, I'm not much of an hardware expert
Version 7.0 again again a true cornucopia of new features. Now, with XFree86 4.0 graphics power, the graphics chips benefit from ATI, NVidia and Matrox. Brand-new -- and found only in SuSE -- is support for the Diamond Fire GL1.
Even if it is not yet an official release, SuSE already now brings a Linux Kernel, which (owing to numerous extensions), we call confidently call 2.2.17-pre. The extended USB support supplies experimental support for ISDN, Floppy and Iomega Zip 250. For the first time, scanners on parallel ports can be addressed under Linux. The support for the Adaptec RAID Controller is also new. And for the SCSI adapters on NCR-Basis are drivers for the super-fast Symbios log IC chips SYM53C895A and SYM53C1010. Also, the advancement of the ATA standard on 100 MHz is supported with the new SuSE Linux 7.0. This pushes EIDE into the performance regions from SCSI before Big Brother, including videoconferencing in accordance with H.323-Standard. An extended bttv driver finally provides for a full support of TV cards. Also IBM and Sun's Java2 can be found in the Professional Edition. The Knaller from the ALSA labs: SuSE Linux 7.0 brings a hardware-supporting Plug and Play driver as the first distribution for all Yamaha-compatible Soundcards with YMF72x and YMF74x-Chips.
Linux Goes Enterprise
SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional distinguishes itself with improved Raw Device support, LFS (Large file support), and 4GB-[something] addressing [something], now as a server system for very large and complex applications of data bases. The optimized support for fully automatic installations and the new SuSE Tool ALICE (AUTOMATIC Linux Installation and Configuration Environment) are a logical configuration tool for enterprise networks.
just a quick correction, you only have to use their patches for their customized kernel. (some optimizations mostly for europeans users, if i remember correctly, been awhile since i looked.)
you can always install the average, everyday, run of the mill kernel, and it's on the cd's too...
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while not an answer to your question, strictly speaking, don't bother with the '.0' release unless there's something you must have. 7.1, if my guess is correct, should be out in december here in the states (if things go as they usually do...the american version comes out about a month after the euro,) and will (hopefully) fix some of the problems that are bound to be there in 7.0.
plus, with any luck, it'll have the 2.4 kernel in it...
"The things we wizards have to put up with."--Jethro Bodine
Per this c|net story, pretty much all of the major distro's are gearing up for beta releases of new versions so they will be ready when the 2.4 kernel goes final.
Caldera will even be selling their beta as a $20 'Linux 2.4 Technology Developer Release Preview'. If find this humorous, in that not only would you be paying to run beta software, you'd be paying to run beta open source software. But they will rebate the purchase price back to you, so your really just paying shipping. (or you can just download it).
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I have been using SUSE for years now. (My first was a Suse 5.1 Box, replaced my Ydgrassil distro) and I have found that it has the most complete selection of packages of any distro. And considering I run a LUG and get the software free (most times) that becomes very important. After using Suse so long I wonder how the other Distro's get by with 1 or 2 cd's....