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Similarities Between DeCSS And The Connectix VGS Case?

bahamat dropped this interesting tidbit into the inbox: "Has anyone compared the DeCSS case to the Connectix VGS case? The facts surrounding both are very similar: A company produces content on disks and provides an expensive player on which to view the content; then another company reverse engineers the player to produce a software version for very cheap. The big company sues the little company. In the case of Sony vs Connectix, Connectix won, the court ruling was that Sony can't bar someone else from producing compatible player. It seems to me that this case has already set a precedent for the DeCSS case. Really, what's so different about the two? Has the DeCSS legal team approached the case from this way?" One thing to note: the win in the VGS case is on patent grounds, the two copyright claims in the suit are still undecided. It was copyright law, namely the DMCA, which the decision on the DeCSS case is based. Still, are there any similarities between the two that may make a legal difference to the 2600 case when it is appealed?

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  1. Not really... by kreyg · · Score: 3


    The DMCA applies to the DeCSS case because there was encryption envolved ("access control"). Nothing of the sort in the Sony case.

    It didn't have to be good encryption, they just had to try.

    Lame, but true.

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    1. Re:Not really... by Seqram · · Score: 5

      This is one of the things that troubles me about the DMCA. Well, that and everything else about it. By saying that it's illegal to try to crack encryption--even lousy encryption--they basically make everything potentially encryption. Microsoft gets annoyed at StarOffice being compatible, and tired of changing its format each release? No problem. The Microsoft Word document format is access-control, and anyone caught trying to read it is in violation of the DMCA. Neener neener.

      The real Seqram has Slashdot ID... Oh, who cares, who'd want to impersonate me anyway?

    2. Re:Not really... by MaxGrant · · Score: 5

      You've been had by the MPAA's 'logic' if you can't see this. It doesn't matter if it was a good encryption scheme or it was a feeble one. Once the scheme was known it was broken, gone, and voided. MPAA wants to rewrite the history of that event in a very Orwellian fashion, by making it illegal to know about it. Apply this to a larger context, and it becomes illegal to publicize other feeble encryption schemes. This makes sites like Bugtraq illegal, and the l0pht, instead of providing a service by embarrasing Microsoft, is now illegaly reverse-engineering their encryption scheme.

      Which puts people like me right behind the eight-ball. It's my job to seek out those kinds of vulernabilities and protect my very real production system against them. But under the DMCA the act of seeking out vulnerabilities is now 'sneaky' and 'hackerlike' behavior. Regardless of whether it's to keep ahead of genuine theives or become one myself, the ruling that Kaplan has laid down doesn't differentiate. The MPAA has people snowed on this piracy thing. The fundamental truth is, it is not the problem of the law, the justice system, or the community at large that the MPAA chose such a childish, feeble scheme to protect their works. It's out in the open now and it is not my responsibility or yours or anyone else's to give up our constitutional rights to talk about what we choose to talk about or think about what we choose to think about just to protect their lame-ass scheme. They are left with exactly the tools that they've always had to defend against piracy, which are 1) punishing pirates when they're caught. And 2) punishing pirates when they're caught. Prevention of the means of piracy should not be the public's problem. But the DMCA makes it the public's problem, and in the process stomps on our right to THINK about piracy. It's the beginning of thought control and it's absolutely terrifying.

      What really cracks me up is that if they'd just kept their mouths shut they would be having no problems. I predict very confidently that if the prices of DVD's remain at the astonishingly low rates they are now, piracy of DVD's will remain almost nonexistent no matter how easy they become to pirate. For the same reason that videotape piracy is pretty much a thing of the past; it's cheap to buy a videotape and you can be assured that you're getting a good quality copy. When videotapes were $80, they weren't worth buying, but having a friend run off a copy was worth the effort and the relatively minor risk. If DVD remains in the ~$20 range, they will never have a major problem with DVD piracy. But I imagine that just like the RIAA the MPAA is planning to jack prices up on this new format once it's taken over the market. And in order to secure their market, they think, they're doing their level best to make piracy impossible. Except that they don't seem to be very smart about it. I predict that if much more of this goes on the DVD will go exactly where DIVX went -- nowhere. The DVD section in any movie rental store I see is still a small percentage, less than 10%, usually, of the stock, and the selection is truly awful, most of the time. If the stink of what's happening in Jester Kaplan's court gets into the public's face people will stay away in droves from the new formats, and this incredible racket that the MPAA has planned for themselves will evaporate like so much vague speculation. But that's just my hope.

  2. Here's a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4
    What's so different about the two?

    You can sing DeCSS.
    You cannot sing the Virtual Game Station.

    1. Re:Here's a difference by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 4

      I have to agree (and not just because I made the song). The point of the song is to (try to) help some of the non-geek types out there realize that the core of the DeCSS issue is source code == free speech. Of course, it can be copyrighted and patented etc.- just like other forms of speech. But (until the DMCA) if it isn't any of the above (unless it's seditious?- I'm not familiar with those laws), it's free. We have an obligation to our children and theirs to educate people as to what the real issue is.
      The issue is the DMCA took copyrights one step further and not only addressed illegal copying, but made technologies that could possibly lead to copying illegal. [analogy]In other words, not only is it illegal to copy that copyrighted poem, it's now illegal to tell someone how to build a xerox machine[/analogy]!
      We were going through a phase in this country where we realized there needed to be some legislation addressing the new technologies, our legislating bodies were a little inexperienced and made some mistakes, and now we're bringing them (or the MPAA is :-) into the open so that they get fixed. I think that as soon as they realize the current legislation went a bit to far, or as soon as the Supreme Court does, we'll see some things turn against corporate entities and turn for the good of the little people (us geeks).

  3. You hit the nail on the head-- by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 4

    ...the reason it won't really apply is because it was a patent dispute. Not to be redundant, but as you said, the copyright suits are undecided and those are what would carry the most weight in the 2600 case.

    A case that I think *does* apply to this is the Sega v. Accolade case (hosted on www.eff.org in their case law section, so they're already aware of it, I'm not sure if the defense brought it up however..). In that case, Accolade reverse engineered the Sega Genesis to create compatible games for the console. After releasing some titles for the system, Sega made a change to their hardware to display the Sega logo everytime the system booted (or rather, whenever code from the cartridge issued a specific, BUT REQUIRED, initialization instruction).

    The similarities here are that Accolade was reverse engineering the console for compatibilities sake. Really, the case of DeCSS is the same-- except in this case, the end result desired was a piece of code/software which could decode and play the content. (Although it could go both ways, couldn't it? Now that CSS's algorithm is known, you could (if you desired anyway) encode your own content.

    But back to the Connectix case; I admit, I wish it could be applied, but for the reasons you stated, I just don't think it can. Maybe the appeals judge will be more inviting of case law and the idea that the motion picture industry is basically trying to create their own monopoly. (And HOPEFULLY the appeals judge will be more mindful of the 1st amendment!)

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  4. It was mentioned in the trial a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4

    The defense did try to use that case, along with the betamax case and the Rio case. Unfortunately, the judge felt that all those cases didn't apply because the DMCA had changed the law, and this case was on whether or not DeCSS violated the DMCA.

  5. Differences by dorzak · · Score: 4
    For one thing Connectix went into the case as a respectable business. The media has made the DeCSS defendents look like and sound like "evil hackers" and "criminals."

    Has anybody looked at how intertwined the music industry is with the "traditional" news media?

  6. Copyright or Patent infringement? by Vuarnet · · Score: 3

    One thing to note: the win in the VGS case is on patent grounds, the two copyright claims in the suit are still undecided. It was copyright law, namely the DMCA, which the decision on the DeCSS case is based.

    Actually, from the article:Sony brought suit to suspend sale of the product claiming copyright infringement and tarnishment of the PlayStation name and other marks. After the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal rejected Sony's claims, Sony subsequently alleged that Connectix infringed eleven of its patents, seems like Sony lost 7 of their 9 copyright infringement suits, and afterwards they withdrew their patent infringement suits. That's not the same as they losing their case.

    So, to clarify things a bit, I think this was the way things went (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken!):
    - Sony launched 9 copyright infringement suits.
    - Court of Appeal rejected 7 claims.
    - Sony then started 11 patent infringement suits.
    - Just before the Court of Appeal decided wether to dismiss Sony's case, Sony voluntarily dismissed their case.

    Let's hope Sony got wise and saw the monetary logic on getting more consumers to play their games (in their PCs), and while they would not make mroe money selling PlayStations, they'd probably recover by the increase in PlayStation games.

    *Sigh* And all I've got is just a lousy Nintendo...but hey, I've got Unreal Tournament in my PC.

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  7. Encryption AND copying, and all the rest. by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 3

    Yeah, the main difference is the DeCSS case's reliance on the DMCA's encryption and circumvention clauses.

    First off, PlayStation games were formatted bizarrely, but noone ever argued that this was "encryption", nor that it was covered bythe DMCA's "effective access control" wording. I'm not sure if this is fortunate or not... it could be that had Sony gone this direction, they could have had as much success as DeCSS, but I think that's unlikely.

    One of the reasons Sony would have a tough time fighting under the DMCA is because nothing was being copied by Connectix, or its software. They wrote an emulator, plain and simple. The problem with DeCSS, not that people ARE using it to copy, but that the prosecution has managed to convince the courts that it is a tool for copying.

    There's a fine line there, but it matters a lot. After all, the "C" in DMCA stands for copyright. Sony wasn't worried about copying (publicly), only about emulation. The MPAA is (right or wrong) crying about copyright, so, I imagine the two are legally unrelated.

    As usual, IANAL. ;-)

  8. Clean Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    Connectix made a lot of headway in court when they were able to show that their emulator was developed in a 'clean room' environment - with only the Playstation APIs to implement to. Sony tried to argue that their APIs were protected by copyright and ended up losing. (To me, thats kindof like GM can't read Ford's drivers manual)

    Now, i am certainly not an expert on DeCSS development (and someone please fill in the details or correct me where wrong), but my impression is they obtained certain 'keys' from officially branded DVD hardware/software decoders. And in turn, use those keys to decode/emulate a DVD player. If so, then DeCSS is not a 'clean room' environment, per se. And MPAA could argue that this key was stolen IP.

    Anyways, I see this is an important difference between the two cases.

    Tom

  9. Really, what's so different about the two by jms · · Score: 4

    Really, what's so different about the two?

    In the Connectix case, the judge had no connection to either party.

    In the DeCSS case, the judge was deciding the legality and enforcability of a player market control scheme that his own law firm -- his colleagues -- personally designed for the MPAA.

    What a fortunate coincidence for the MPAA!

    It seems to me that if it takes a judge 91 pages to make the argument that he should not recuse himself from a case, something is wrong.

    1. Re:Really, what's so different about the two by jms · · Score: 3
      Of course there's anti-trust issues. The MPAA is using their copyrights on motion pictures to enforce a monopoly on what consumer features DVD player manufacturers are allowed to build into their equipment. The real threat of DeCSS is not consumer copying of DVDs. The threat of DeCSS is that if it is legal, then player manufacturers no longer need to sign a contract with the DVD/CCA which forbids them from building players with digital outputs, macrovision-free analog outputs, the ability to skip commercials at the beginning of DVDs that the MPAA wants you to watch, etc.

      There are plenty of other programs that can extract the contents of a DVD, but the MPAA never sued over them, and apparently does not care. The only difference between DeCSS and these other methods is that the other methods are merely hacks to existing licensed DVD implementations, and not suitable for manufacturing unlicensed players, like DeCSS is.

      You'll notice that the MPAA is now targeting the livid project -- an open source DVD player, not a copier. Going after 2600 obviously did nothing to stop the distribution of DeCSS, but Kaplan's wildly overbroad injunction does give them legal ammunition to go after and try to kill any unlicensed players that include consumer-friendly features that the MPAA wants no one to have, like the ability to make any fair use whatsoever of materials on DVDs.

      The letter the MPAA is currently sending out to sites mirroring DeCSS says:
      DeCSS is a software utility that decrypts or unscrambles the contents of DVDs (consisting of copyrighted motion pictures) or otherwise circumvents the protection afforded by the Contents Scramble System (CSS) and permits the copying of the DVD contents and/or any portion thereof. As such, DeCSS is an unlawful circumvention device within the meaning of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(2),(3).


      Copyright law is supposed to allow you to copy portions of works under certain legally defined circumstances. Kaplan's ruling says that no, sorry, but the parts of copyright law that benefit consumers of DVDs no longer apply. Only the parts of copyright law that benefit the MPAA apply.

      Garbus dropped the line of defense because Kaplan would near none of it, not because there were no anti-trust issues.

      If you can't see the anti-trust issues in this case, then I just don't think we're going to agree on anything.
  10. main reason 2600 lost... by unformed · · Score: 4

    is that regardless of the purpose that DeCSS was created for, it *did* bypass the DVD access controls. Due to that fact alone, it was in violation of the DMCA. The next trial will not question the legality of DeCSS, but rather the constitutionality of the DMCA...and its THAT case we should be atching intently, as it will change the way things work with copyrights in the future

    1. Re:main reason 2600 lost... by sjames · · Score: 5

      s that regardless of the purpose that DeCSS was created for, it *did* bypass the DVD access controls.

      That ignores (as the judge did) the legitimate purpose of DeCSS. DMCA does make exception for things which have a legitimate purpose.

      Otherwise, they'll have to ban soldering irons, debuggers, and text books on home electronics and programming (especially embedded devices)

  11. Nope, doesn't apply. by the_quark · · Score: 5
    The issue in DeCSS is that the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) prohibits breaking encryption. In section 1201(a)(1)(A), it states, "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." Connectix gets out for two reasons - first of all, Sony wasn't trying to control access to a DMCA-protected work. Additionallty, there is a great grey area defined in 1201(f)(2), "REVERSE ENGINEERING," which specifically states "...[A] person may...circumvent a technological measure...for the purpose of enabling interoperability of...a computer program with other programs..." which almost seems written to get Connectix out from under DMCA.

    DMCA's biggest problem is its inherently split personality. In 1201(a)(2), it prohibits the manufacture or import of devices primarily intended to circumvent "effective" copyright measures. But, in 1201(c)(1), it states, "Nothing [in section 1201] shall affect rights...including fair use, under this title." That's right, boys and girls - you have the right to copy that DVD, it's just illegal to make a device to do it!

    So, as usual, this is just folks who haven't actually read the law running off on tangents. Yes, it's a good analogy. But the law very clearly prohibits some things (building a device to defeat an "effective" copyright control system) and clearly doesn't prohibit others (building an emulator). Read the law before you post.

    Oh yeah, and for all of you thinking, "Well, if DeCSS can break it, by definition, it isn't effective," the law has an answer to that, in 1201(b)(2)(B): An effective measure is one that "in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents...the excercise of a right of a copyright owner." DeCSS isn't in the "ordinary course of its operation," therefore, it doesn't make the copyright control ineffective! In fact, there is some argument that, if I simply put a bit on my content (much like the copyright bit in the MP3 standard) that said, "Don't copy me," and all the players in the market enforced that bit, making a player that ignored it would be prohibited by DMCA!

    There's not any clever legal arguments to get out from under this. Either the Supreme Court strikes it down (which it conceivably could do simply for being so internally inconsistent in stating that fair use is OK but you can't build a device to enable fair use, or perhaps on first ammendment grounds), or We The People get Congress to revoke the law. Us against Disney, Microsoft, the MPAA and the RIAA...Hmmm. I know who's the favorite on this one...

    (DMCA information taken from The EFF. Large amounts of legal verbage have been removed from the quotes above in order to make them actually readable.)

  12. The big issue isn't even in watching the movie... by AFCArchvile · · Score: 3
    ...I think its really about the region code being bypassed. The MPAA and the designers of DVD resemble big brother in this issue. They want to control where disks bought in a specific area can be viewed. As far as I remember, it goes like this: Region 1: US, Canada, maybe Mexice 2: Japan 3: Europe the rest, I don't know, probably like the Middle East, Africa, and so on.

    This is thought control on the source level. Essentially, DeCSS is a war cry against this.

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  13. Help develop the analogy by wendy · · Score: 5
    The obvious answer is that the DMCA changes the picture. Pre-DMCA, Connectix was sued for copyright infringement -- copying the Sony BIOS before clean-room designing an emulator. Post-DMCA, 2600 is sued for trafficking in a circumvention device, in violation of 1201(a)(2).

    Connectix was found to have engaged in infringing copying but won on the defense of fair use. Its temporary copies were necessary to gain access to the unprotectable functional elements of the Playstation BIOS, and its resulting emulator was a transformative use of the copy. Judge Kaplan told the defendants in the DeCSS case that fair use was not a defense to circumvention of access control devices. That's still a major point of contention, of course.

    But, it's not over yet.

    We need to draw a closer parallel between the cases, to argue that the DMCA did not so change the landscape and thus that the reverse engineering and interoperability endorsed by the 9th Circuit must still be permitted. There's lots of great language in the Connectix opinion that claims of copyright infringement can't be used to cut off access to unprotected ideas and functional elements. Can we extend that logic to say that even "access controls" endorsed by the DMCA can't be used to cut off that same unprotected information or fair use of the underlying content? Putting a ROT13 on a work shouldn't cut off fair use.

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  14. Unlicensed manipulation of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    The VGS attempts to be instruction for instruction identical to that of the PSX. Hence, by attempting to maintain strict adherence to the PSX program on the CD, all manipulation of the data falls withen the parameters that the author intended. For purposes of a PSX game publisher, the PSX hardware and VGS software provide the same number of *expected* features.

    DeCSS adds an additional feature which is that the results from the software is a preferable format for any user choosen manipulation of the data. I key aspect of the DeCSS trial was the fact that CSS data is not approbate for recompressing via DivX. Since being able to achieve further compression of the DVD content was note an intended feature of the DVD author, the DeCSS software is considered to provide an unexpected and undesired additional feature.

    However, with the rate at which technoligy is going (60+ GB hard drives, Gigabit ether, etc.) it seems questionable as to how long remanipulation is going to be desirable for transfer. Probably withen the next 24 to 36 months their will be a reasonable size number of people with the equipement to easily do byte-for-byte duplication such that DeCSS is no longer desired as part of the pirating process. Please keep in mind that while it is presently not human noticable that the "Divx'd" DVD copies are degraded from the orginial. Once technology catches up with the the size of DVD images, why bother producing a degraded copy? At the that point in time that technology provides for making identical copies preferable the DeCSS will cease to be a popular tool for copyright infingment and will only have a popularized purpose of accomplishing playback. Hence, I believe the present "win" against DeCSS has only short term benfits for DVD publishers and in that regard was probably fairly pointless.

  15. Chicaco Tribune coverage.. by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 3
    Here's what the Chicago Tribune had to say about the New York case:
    With the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Congress has catered so completely to copyright holders that everyone else must resort to legal loopholes in order to exercise their First Amendment rights.
  16. Does DMCA Eat itself? What if . . . by werdna · · Score: 3

    you encrypted an original work of authorship, say a CSS-player, which infringes no copyright, but does in fact facilitate circumvention of the anti-copying technology of another?

    What if a prospective plaintiff "broke" the encryption thereby and obtained evidence of for its own DMCA case?

    Would not the plaintiff also have broken the law thereby?

    Say the plaintiff seeks injunctive relief under DMCA -- in so doing, would a defendant be coming to equity with unclean hands, precluding an injunction?

    In an analogous case under copyright law, where a plaintiff makes copies of a derivative work to obtain evidence of an infringement, the Court overlooks the incidental infringement by the plaintiff as a form of fair use.

    But that is the fundamental difficulty of the DMCA -- it doesn't provide for fair use. What is good for the goose -- is it also good for the gander?

    This is certainly not legal advice -- I haven't any thoughts one way or the other if this approach could work. But I'm wondering if it points to holes in fundamental DMCA policies. In particular, if there is no fair use as a defense for one side, how can the court rationalize a judge-made defense for the other?

    My point is this -- DMCA gives far more than "additional protection" for copyrightable content -- it also permits exclusive rights to the ability to manufacture DVD players, giving patent-like protection to a technology that is not, in fact, patentable. In addition to everything else, this cuts at the heart of more fundamental IP policies. Fair use is necessary to make IP Copyright law tenable. Likewise, the scope of patent law was very clearly defined to make patent law tenable.

    Now we have a new body of IP law, putative circumvention technologies, which are not limited by scope or by time or inventorship.

    Bleah!