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Metalab Changes Its Name (Again)
Simon Spero writes: "Metalab, the site formerly known as SunSITE, is now www.ibiblio.org .
This change has been made in response to a donation by Bob Young and Mark Ewing of Redhat of $4 million; this grant will be used to apply the techniques and philosophies of the Open Source Movement to more traditional kinds of information, creating the first of a new kind of digital library. " Metalab URLs will continue to work.
Here's
the FAQ and
some more press coverage. Really the name change is secondary (I still hadn't stopped using sunsite bookmarks) but this could be really cool.
Sort of like Al Gore's famed "Open Source Web Page" idea? *ducks and runs for cover*
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This "join venture" will house newer stuff, and not the old stuff that is housed on wiretap.
Unlike wiretaps, which is there mostly because copyright has expired, these works will be produced 'in the spirit of open-source' -- much like research papers are in the world of academia I guess.
Signal 11 is an error.
And there are other days when I think it's only a matter of time before the domain squatting starts to wind down as more gTLDs are opened up
NOT. Witness Google.net and Google.org . Microsoft.com is the same site as Microsoft..net . Squatters will squat on every available TLD. Even Slashdot.org has its own .com.
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XGNOME vs. KDE: the game!
Will I retire or break 10K?
A lot of those articles would've done quite nicely over at Rusty's K5 site, and I know I would've voted for a few of 'em...
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Some of them are quite interesting. What's this about X.Org and Sun teaming up? And Linux binaries? And "Linux under attack"?
Man, I wanna see those stories... slashdot should make them available for reading regardless, just not turn on the feedback forum for each one
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In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later develope all subject to the terms of any applicable Open Source Initiative-approved license.
Which means that you choose the license, and we will continue to use your code or whatever under the license you chose., The point of this is so that people can't pretend thier code isn't under a licences that they released it under previously. You're familiar with the OSI right? The GPL maybe? Well, if you aren't there are a lot of resources on the web for you, you probably shoudl start with them.
People, whenever you read a bowie post you should go back in the /. archives and read the previous responses as we've all heard his rants before and already addressed them.
Chris DiBona
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Project Gutenberg accepts only public domain texts. This means that even if PG manages to OCR everything published on or before December 31, 1922, there's that pesky perpetual copyright problem due in part to a loophole in the Constitution.
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XGNOME vs. KDE: the game!
Will I retire or break 10K?
yeah, this guy and his elite team of hackers, who keep metalab up and running.
and, oh yeah, moderators, mod this one up.
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You ever tried voting?
After VA Linux Systems decided to rip us off and left us bleeding from the ass, (*cough*SOURCEFORGE*cough*) we opted to leave and do it on our own rather than stay and continue to take it. One of the first places to offer us a new home after we cut our ties with VA was MetaLab. They've been extremely helpful to us from the very beginning, going out of their way to make the transition as painless as possible. And, i'm quite happy to say that since April we've managed to regain our audience to the point where we are pulling in more people and more traffic now than at any point during our time with VA..
MetaLab is one of the last places i've ever seen that's willing to lend a hand and not really expect anything in return...So today, i've regained a little faith in Red Hat. Kudos to them for supporting an honest-to-God good thing. There needs to be an alternative to the VA resource monopoly, and SunSITE/MetaLab/iBiblio represents that ideal perfectly. Considering SourceForge's Terms Of Service agreement, you'de be insane to host your project there. Youre essentially giving up your right to own that what you've created. When you move your project to SourceForge, VA now owns your project..It says so clearly in their TOS Agreement. They can turn around and sell your work without giving you a cent, or co-opt your work like they did with us, and leave you holding the bag. They're opportunists. The guys at MetaLab just want to provide a home for developers..they have no vested interests in what goes on there.
Thanks, Bob.
My $0.02,
Bowie J. Poag
Bowie J. Poag
It's the sound you make when you flip your finger up and down over your lips ... that or Porky Pig's astrological sign...
I'm a ib-ib-ib-ib-leo!
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A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
The company known as Ibiblio, formerly known as Metalab, formerly known as SunSITE, has now issued a press release stating that their new name will be F**kedCompany, as soon as they complete the purchase of the domain FuckedCompany.com
Oh yeah, like that hasn't been done ...
Sarkazmo is the assumed identity of a long-time
What's wrong with their terms of serivce?
The agreement basically says:
1) You agree that by agreeing, you are agreeing.
And by agreeing, you are bound by this contract.
2) We host the code, we don't give you dialup/WAN access.
3) Give us your real name. Mike Hunt is not a valid name.
4) You're responsible for your content. If you're going to host code, it has to be open source (as defined by OSI guidlines) as that's the focus of our site.
5) Don't resell this service.
6) We reserve the right to limit the service if need be (i.e.: bandwidth cap, file sizes cap).
7) Violation of our TOS, abuse of the site, a request for removal, and court order are valid reasons for removing a hosted site.
8) This is the web, we have links. If you link to DeCSS, we're not responsible
9) We're not liable for what we can't control.
10) Our trademarks are ours, and your are yours
11) Ditto for copyrights. Tell us if people violate this and #10.
12) This contract is the only thing you have to sign for us (sourceforge admins). Nothing more is required for hosting, etc.
13) Violations of this should be reported.
Hardly the totalitarian dictatorship conspiracy by ESR, RMS, VA, etc.. In fact, grepping for "sell," the only occurance of it is in point #5 about not reselling service!
If you're so afraid of people selling code you've worked on, don't make it opensource!
Otherwise, you're just being a troll.
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Ok, here we go - the site formerly known as Metalab's history:
Does anybody see where this next one might be headed? I can see it now:
--The formation of yet another company with its own interests .. When it happens .. remember you saw it here first!
actually metalab/ibiblio has been one of the major distribution sites for Project Gutenberg for quite some time. we've enjoyed working with michael hart and we always learn from him
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i'm assuming that's pronounced "eye-bib-lee-o" and not "ib-ib-lee-o" or "ibby-blee-o" or "i-buy-bly-o" or somethign else.. the word just looks mangled..
wish
Vote for freedom!
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I wonder what would happen, though, if Zen programming were created. Or perhaps Expressionist network design. Or Republican computer repair....
Got Rhinos?
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We're all about freedom, man! Free Tibet, free Burma, Free Love, you get the picture. We offer a free platform for the exchange of free thought. We host tons of cultural sites like the DocSouth Project, Zen@iBiblio, and North Carolina Raves (all of which can be seen from our collections index). We are also one of the first servers to mirror the original Linux kernel, so you can tell we're big on free software, too.
Hehehehe. :)
first of a new kind of digital library
What about wiretap?
What makes this a 'new kind'?
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(consider i'm a little miffed that, once again, i submit a story in a timely manner, holding off on posting until the day of the press conference, and several days later another poster gets the same story posted where mine was rejected. silly me, i thought i had the inside track - being one of the designers of the new ibilio site.. oh well)
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the donation did not come from RedHat, as many readers assume. the headline even says the money came from individual investors, which is closer to the mark. reading the full story will reveal that the $4 million donation came from the Red Hat Center (center of what?) which is a "non-profit organization that supports, promotes, and engages in a wide range of initiatives to advance the principles of transparent technology" (Bob Young's term for open source)
the guys from Red Hat started the Center with their own money (acquired from.. duh!) to use in promoting open source projects, even those in competition with RedHat.
RHC has also given big chunks of change (tho none in the $4 million range) to the EFF (electronic fronteirs foundation), probono.net, and the Center for Media Education in Washington, DC
something folks haven't said much about is the plan to make ibiblio more slashdot-like in its sense of community, discussions, and ranking of the content. silly me, i would have thought cmdrtaco would have mentioned that
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If they change that then I'm screwed. It's burned in.
This is my signature. There are many signatures like it but this one is mine..
the name change, which is generating the same comments on /. as it was around the office (twiddling finger over lips, porky pig, etc) is something of a distraction, it seems, from the goal of ibiblio
ibiblio (pronounced EYE bib lee oh, or by twiddling one's finger over one's lips) is "the public's library," a collaboration between UNC-CH (the home of metalab) and the RedHat center (the home of Bob Young's stock options) and has the goal of encompassing much more than just the metalab content, though that is the only thing under the ibiblio ubmbrella for now, and will likely continue to be the lion's share of what is there for a while to come.
so, it isn't that SunSITE/metalab == ibiblio, but rather that ibiblio == metalab + (add bunch of open source projects and archives here)
dig?
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first the gift/collaboration is with the red hat center, a private foundation founded by marc ewing and bob young. not from red hat inc.
second, the new library idea is that we hope to use tools and experience familiar to those of us in open source development in other areas. we've done shared metadata, for example, for years in the LSMs and in the software archive on metalab/ibiblio/sunsite (you pick). This article in the Chronicle of High Education gets it pretty much right. i have an article forthcoming in CACM which tells more and can post to folks who are interested.
we last changed our name, from sunsite.unc.edu, because sunsite was owned by sun. when we went to enter into a collaboration with red hat center, they thought that a new name that showed something of a larger direction would be appropriate. i agree. i can't type it yet either, but then i typed meatbal for metalab for the past three years too
it's is our hope to create a library as noisy and democratic as slashdot itself. it will take us a while to combine, develop and implement the great ideas from the LSMs, slashdot, advogato, apache, sourceforge and the multitude of projects on sunsite/metalab/ibiblio. and we want your help.
peace love and sharing
Paul
Certified Black Helicopter Pilot *** Unwitting Dupe of One World Gov'ment
what we aim for is quite different from UofA, a place i was glad to help become a sunsite several years back. our goal is a contributor-run library using what we have learned from the linux archives (since 1992), the LSMs, advogato, even slashdot and sourceforge and of course successful projects like apache.
this article in Chronicle of Higher Education mostly gets it right.
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Does anyone knows what ibiblio means?
If their all about freedom, has anyone uploaded a copy of deCSS yet? Would they fight to keep it?
On the other hand, I'd hate to see them burn through the entire $4M donation in lawyer bills....
foo to you and yours,
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What? Sunsite changed its name? But everyone talks about putting their stuff on sunsite... and people tell me that I can use sunsite as a mirror for their distibution of choice... and I always *type* ftp sunsite.unc.edu...
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Slashdot reader since 1997
There's one at SourceForge, but it seems pre-alpha. Demons not running, and all that.
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"creating the first of a new kind of digital library."
I think Michael Hart, the founder of Project Gutenberg had this "new kind of library" very much in mind in 1971 when he started PG. I think that ibiblbibiblbiblio is a great site, it's just that it is not quite as groundbreaking as an idea as that.
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The truth is out th- oh, wait, here it is...
First? No. This has been done: UofA Sunsite
There are probably others too.
I had no idea this was going on. This is just too cool for words. It is so rejeuvinating to hear about an artist that cares about music as art and is doing something about it instead of using music as a ticket to noteriety and money.
Anybody else hear that the Smashing Pumpkins released their final album only as .mp3? Well, they did press 25 vinyl copies...
Maybe Sunsite, er, Metalab, er, iBiblio can do for music what mp3.com and napster have claimed they were going to do and failed.