Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the snag-the-isos-while-they're-hot dept.
weeble writes "Red Hat 7 is now out. The updates to the Red Hat web site have been made; however the ftp site has not yet been updated." Remember to use mirrors folks. Its gonna be a bit before they all catch up so be patient.
I'm very pleased that they've changed the default window manager (when running GNOME, anyway) from Enlightenment to Sawfish. I think that a lot of people who thought they hated GNOME, actually just hated Enlightenment.
Sawfish is nice and lean, it makes the GNOME experience snappy and responsive. Thankfully, with Rasterman now off the payroll, Red Hat was able to make this switch, and I think it makes their product that much better. --
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We're using a new glibc (2.2), a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features) as well as a new package format (rpm v4).
If you want to use rawhide packages on older versions of Red Hat Linux or other distributions using rpm, get rpm 3.0.5 or higher (3.0.5 is the first 3.x version that supports rpm v4 packages), get the source rpm and use rpm --rebuild.
That should work in most cases.
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The European version contains some additional CDs.
Since net access is still very expensive in many countries in Europe, we decided we should include more packages (that can be simply downloaded in the rest of the world) in Europe.
The additions (including, of course, Parsec) will be available on ftp.redhat.de (unless licenses don't permit it) - parts of them, such as our new, credit card sized Rescue CD, are available already.
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As we all know, Red Hat ties the name of one version to the next. Fitting "Guinness" is a little difficult.
Version - Name - Tie-together
3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
Linux Planet had an article in which they claimed the version after "Pinstripe" would be called "Winston".
At first, I had difficulty finding a tie-together between "Pinstripe" and "Guinness", but with "Winston" as an in-between, we have the Winston Fabrics which has a pinstripe product, and Winston's Restaurant in Colorado which serves Guinness, or Winston Agaba, who is a brand manager for Guinness, or Winston Churchill and Alec Guinness were both knighted.
Upon further examination, however, I discovered there is a red ale called "SKA Pinstripe", which seems to be a much cleaner tie-together with Guinness.
I'm still wondering about that "Winston" that Linux Planet mentioned.
Integrated with the Red Hat Network.
Since it's already slashdotted, care to enlighten us as to what this is all about? I'm wary of the name already -- it's way too close MSN...
It's a way of administering and monitoring your systems - the base service is for it to notify you when any of the rpms on your systems has been updates, and install that. Later on, we're planning to add enterprise features. The basic service is intended to be free, while we will sell higher level services including support.
(on rpm 4) Which gives us what benefits over 3.x?
It has some code in it to handle multiple architectures on the same system (IA64 can use IA32 binaries, same situation for SPARC/UltraSPARC), it is based on db3 and has transaction support, it has new standard macros and build policies and many internal changes. Probably more I don't know of (i.e. not highly visible)
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
by
dew
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· Score: 4
Those who merely install Linux and expect it to be secure deserve to get rooted.
Technosnobbery in general is abhorrent, but to see someone like you refusing to even acknowledge that perhaps a distribution could be shipped secure out-of-the-box additionally reflects ignorance.
Distributions should be friendly, easy-to-use, and informative. They should instruct where necessary (i.e., 'Turning on this option will let anyone remotely read the directories you've specified. Are you sure you want to do this?') and be as secure as possible.
Why hasn't anyone done an OpenBSD-style audit on the Linux source base? There, at least, they know a thing or two about shipping a secure distribution. Instead of making fun of their users they simply provide them with the world's most secure operating system out-of-the box, no questions asked.
The short of it? Distros can and should be secure out-of-the box and any potentially insecure operations should be accompanied by links to the latest literature. Users should be informed about security updates instead of having to actively discover patches, with an option for one-click upgrades (e.g., 'The FTP server you're running has just been updated. Your version contains a serious security hole. Would you like to update it now?'). These things are possible.
Don't make fun of users for wanting a good product.
A nonexistent compiler... excellent.
by
devphil
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· Score: 5
a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features)
That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
In fact, I believe that "2.96" is the name given to the current series of snapshots, which are known to be incomplete and not fully working and missing documentation, because if you're using a snapshot, it is assumed that you don't need all the documentation, you know what's working and what isn't, etc, etc.
Why did RH choose to use an unstable compiler as the default for a major distro? I can't wait to see all the crap on the gcc-bugs mailing list, from people using an incomplete compiler.
-- You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Red Hat Linux 7.0 is far more uptodate than Slackware 7, Mandrake 7.1 etc - our version number is there to say what is and what isn't binary compatible. Some of the others just play the number game (Mandrake, Slackware), SuSE seems to have their own versioning instead of just upping their number(I'm not sure what it is yet...) and Debian also has their own versioning.
new 2.2ish glibc
new gcc compiler, with performance enhancements
openssl, openssh
Integrated with the Red Hat Network. The base service is free.
optimized for PentiumPro or higher, while maintaining backwards compatibility
XFree 4, with accelerated 3D support for some cards. Many XFree 3.x servers used for stability reasons, but they also work with GLX.
RPM 4
USB support for mice and keyboard (the rest is included as is)
Gnome 1.2 (seems to have less bugs than helix)
preview of KDE 2 and 2.4 kernel
FHS layout
QT 2.2
And probably more features I'm just taking for granted now...
We're setting up a test drive of RedHat 7.0 in the Compaq Test Drive program today. It should be available this afternoon - we'll post an announcement on our main page when it is. Once it's ready, you'll be able to get a free shell account on it by going to our web site and registering. You'll be able to explore what the new release is like and try compiling your code against it without having to download and install it on your own system.
After downloading and upgrading to RH7.0 from 6.2, I can tell you this:
Unless you know how to recompile your kernel to get your USB devices working, upgrade to 7.0 - it's definitely worth it. My USB mouse now works, and USB keyboards supposedly work too, but I don't have one to test it with..
The updated Glib and GTK+ libraries make for a serious pain in the ass for recompiling your favorite apps. Make sure that they're compatible before upgrading.
Sawfish rules! Even though you can download it and install it, it's just nice to see it as the standard WM. (BTW - Anyone know why it changed its name from Sawmill?)
Basically, you can make the upgrade yourself by upgrading a few things and installing a new kernel. It's not a huge release like 6.0 was, but it might be worth the money if you're not willing to wrestle with stuff like Glib, GTK, or Qt. If you want the new Gnome look without installing 7.0, your best bet is to install Helix Gnome.
Note: If you're running Pinstripe (the RH7 beta), the upgrade is a bit rocky. I would recommend either reinstalling Red Hat completely, or doing a manual upgrade.
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I'm very pleased that they've changed the default window manager (when running GNOME, anyway) from Enlightenment to Sawfish. I think that a lot of people who thought they hated GNOME, actually just hated Enlightenment.
Sawfish is nice and lean, it makes the GNOME experience snappy and responsive. Thankfully, with Rasterman now off the payroll, Red Hat was able to make this switch, and I think it makes their product that much better.
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We're using a new glibc (2.2), a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features) as well as a new package format (rpm v4).
If you want to use rawhide packages on older versions of Red Hat Linux or other distributions using rpm, get rpm 3.0.5 or higher (3.0.5 is the first 3.x version that supports rpm v4 packages), get the source rpm and use rpm --rebuild.
That should work in most cases.
This message is provided under the terms outlined at http://www.bero.org/terms.html
The European version contains some additional CDs.
Since net access is still very expensive in many countries in Europe, we decided we should include more packages (that can be simply downloaded in the rest of the world) in Europe.
The additions (including, of course, Parsec) will be available on ftp.redhat.de (unless licenses don't permit it) - parts of them, such as our new, credit card sized Rescue CD, are available already.
This message is provided under the terms outlined at http://www.bero.org/terms.html
As we all know, Red Hat ties the name of one version to the next. Fitting "Guinness" is a little difficult.
Version - Name - Tie-together3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
Linux Planet had an article in which they claimed the version after "Pinstripe" would be called "Winston".
At first, I had difficulty finding a tie-together between "Pinstripe" and "Guinness", but with "Winston" as an in-between, we have the Winston Fabrics which has a pinstripe product, and Winston's Restaurant in Colorado which serves Guinness, or Winston Agaba, who is a brand manager for Guinness, or Winston Churchill and Alec Guinness were both knighted.
Upon further examination, however, I discovered there is a red ale called "SKA Pinstripe", which seems to be a much cleaner tie-together with Guinness.
I'm still wondering about that "Winston" that Linux Planet mentioned.
Christopher A. Bohn
cb
Oooh! What does this button do!?
Integrated with the Red Hat Network. Since it's already slashdotted, care to enlighten us as to what this is all about? I'm wary of the name already -- it's way too close MSN...
It's a way of administering and monitoring your systems - the base service is for it to notify you when any of the rpms on your systems has been updates, and install that. Later on, we're planning to add enterprise features. The basic service is intended to be free, while we will sell higher level services including support.
(on rpm 4) Which gives us what benefits over 3.x?
It has some code in it to handle multiple architectures on the same system (IA64 can use IA32 binaries, same situation for SPARC/UltraSPARC), it is based on db3 and has transaction support, it has new standard macros and build policies and many internal changes. Probably more I don't know of (i.e. not highly visible)
Technosnobbery in general is abhorrent, but to see someone like you refusing to even acknowledge that perhaps a distribution could be shipped secure out-of-the-box additionally reflects ignorance.
Distributions should be friendly, easy-to-use, and informative. They should instruct where necessary (i.e., 'Turning on this option will let anyone remotely read the directories you've specified. Are you sure you want to do this?') and be as secure as possible.
Why hasn't anyone done an OpenBSD-style audit on the Linux source base? There, at least, they know a thing or two about shipping a secure distribution. Instead of making fun of their users they simply provide them with the world's most secure operating system out-of-the box, no questions asked.
The short of it? Distros can and should be secure out-of-the box and any potentially insecure operations should be accompanied by links to the latest literature. Users should be informed about security updates instead of having to actively discover patches, with an option for one-click upgrades (e.g., 'The FTP server you're running has just been updated. Your version contains a serious security hole. Would you like to update it now?'). These things are possible.
Don't make fun of users for wanting a good product.
David E. Weekly
David E. Weekly
Code / Think / Teach / Learn
h4x0r for
a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features)
That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
In fact, I believe that "2.96" is the name given to the current series of snapshots, which are known to be incomplete and not fully working and missing documentation, because if you're using a snapshot, it is assumed that you don't need all the documentation, you know what's working and what isn't, etc, etc.
Why did RH choose to use an unstable compiler as the default for a major distro? I can't wait to see all the crap on the gcc-bugs mailing list, from people using an incomplete compiler.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Red Hat Linux 7.0 is far more uptodate than Slackware 7, Mandrake 7.1 etc - our version number is there to say what is and what isn't binary compatible. Some of the others just play the number game (Mandrake, Slackware), SuSE seems to have their own versioning instead of just upping their number(I'm not sure what it is yet...) and Debian also has their own versioning.
And probably more features I'm just taking for granted now...
We're setting up a test drive of RedHat 7.0 in the Compaq Test Drive program today. It should be available this afternoon - we'll post an announcement on our main page when it is. Once it's ready, you'll be able to get a free shell account on it by going to our web site and registering. You'll be able to explore what the new release is like and try compiling your code against it without having to download and install it on your own system.
Basically, you can make the upgrade yourself by upgrading a few things and installing a new kernel. It's not a huge release like 6.0 was, but it might be worth the money if you're not willing to wrestle with stuff like Glib, GTK, or Qt. If you want the new Gnome look without installing 7.0, your best bet is to install Helix Gnome.
Note: If you're running Pinstripe (the RH7 beta), the upgrade is a bit rocky. I would recommend either reinstalling Red Hat completely, or doing a manual upgrade.
--Dave
http://phattechnology.net