Let the Mozilla bashing begin?
by
robinjo
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· Score: 5
It's weird to see all this Mozilla bashing going on. Yes, it has taken a long time and yes, it's not read yet but how many of you Mozilla bashers have really given Mozilla a try? A good one instead of "it segfaulted at startup, so it sucks"?
Netscape PR3 won't be installed on my computer. Nope, I really don't need all the AOL stuff. That's why I have been downloading Mozilla daily builds and actually use them more than the old Netscape. And let me tell you, the latest builds have been impressive in both speed and stability.
So here's how you should do it. Go to Mozillazine and check the build bar there. Go read the comments and choose a nice build. That way you can actually choose not to download a bad build. If one of those crashes too much, delete your.mozilla-directory. Chances are you have an old one which is not necessarily compatible.
That's it. Oh, and don't only talk the talk. Walk the walk and submit bugs instead of just complaining about beta-versions.
Even though I won't buy Opera, it's nice to see some competition. I strongly suspect they will have a hard time with Mozilla, though.
FAQ as it list a rather extensive list of platforms they are "actively persuing". The list includes Alpha, Sparc and Power PC to name just a few.
-- Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Long long time, and attitudes
by
Xugumad
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· Score: 4
I would like to point out that when Opera first looked into porting their browser to other OSes, the response from Linux users was hardly encouraging (actually, I beleive the Amiga users were the biggest fans of the idea).
Perhaps if people sent encouraging e-mails to Opera, or any other company that is developing for Linux, rather than complaining that beta software *gasp* has bugs in it, we might get software a little quicker!
Sorry, but Slashdotters, as a group, seem incredibly negative. On the one hand you complain that Microsoft restrict choice, and then someone asks why Opera bother porting their browser to Linux...
And someone else said they would give Opera the same chance they gave all the other browsers; if it coredumps, they go back to Lynx. My apologies if that person did actually mean they'd do that test for the release version, but I suspect they intend to run the beta version, which undoubtably will coredump, and will go back to Lynx without giving Opera a reasonable chance.
This isn't actually meant as a flame, this is meant to give people more of a perspective. In particular, if someone from Opera reads Slashdot (and is that all that unlikely), I wouldn't be exactly suprised if the Opera for Linux project gets pushed even lower down their priority list.
I've been using Opera for years, although I wish it was open source, I didn't mind paying. Opera allows people that would otherwise NOT use their computer (because it is so slow) a web browser that is functional and useable.
Many of us are lucky, we are running on systems that are less then 3 years old. Others aren't as lucky, and there are a great many people that can't afford even the most basic new computers. In rural areas where I live people spend 350 bucks for an old P100 monitor speaker and modem and they have to make payments on that! Opera at least gives them a Browser they can use. Even see people use it on a 386, that's impessive.
It's a welcome addition to the Linux community. It gives some other browsers competition If Opera is like it's windoze cousin, it's very lite and fast. I'll have to fire it up an old 486 and see how it runs in Linux. It seems Opera is extending the life of some of my hardware;)
-- "Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
The fact that not only are both Trolltech and Opera from Norway, but they also have offices in the same building may have something to do with it:) I'd like to see a GTK version too. Roll on the final release (and version 4.1)...
Paul
-- Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Sorry, this will come over as flamebait, and yet it's a rant. Mod me down now, and don't bother reading any further.
I have real problems with _all_ the current browsers, and always try new ones on the hope that they are better than the ones I've tried before.
all of these include using the latest 'stable' version. And I only mention my most recent annoyance, often there are many...
IE - I can't disable JavaScript without going into such a paranoid mode that I can't even download anything, even.tex and.tiff files! I also find it unwieldy to use.
Netscape - crashes my machine sooo hard (in Windows and Linux) that only the power switch can bring the machine back to life.
Amaya - dropped core within 5 minutes of running it. lather rinse repeat... Also has a slightly wierd feel to the UI.
Mozilla - dropped core within 10 minutes of using. lather rinse repeat... Also suffers from too much clutter which removes vital inches from my desktop (hey, my girlfriend's blind and likes 640*480 on my 21" monitor) OK I can turn it off, but that means having to navigate arounf another maze of configuration options, I've only just become comfortable finding options in Nutscrape.
So, I'm giving Opera the same chance that I gave the others. As soon as I start seeing core files, I'll go straight back to Lynx, which for most of the kinds of sites I visit (boring technical ones).
Do I have anything good to say about any browsers?
Yes -
Netscape - Great Newsreader, my favourite ever.
Mozilla - Great cookie/image management, really
handy.
Lynx - Never had a problem with it at all.
Shame about the web-pages though...
...but not for Alpha, Sparc, or (in my case)
PowerPC. I guess they don't have any alternative-platform test boxes, or they don't
want to deal with the (probably minimal)
cross-platform issues right now, which I can
understand. Too bad the source isn't available so we could help them
out with that.:-)
On the other hand, even though it's of no use to
me, I have to give them points for including a
statically linked binary -- no need to install
Qt only to try out their browser for an hour or
so.
Slashdot Mirror
It's weird to see all this Mozilla bashing going on. Yes, it has taken a long time and yes, it's not read yet but how many of you Mozilla bashers have really given Mozilla a try? A good one instead of "it segfaulted at startup, so it sucks"?
Netscape PR3 won't be installed on my computer. Nope, I really don't need all the AOL stuff. That's why I have been downloading Mozilla daily builds and actually use them more than the old Netscape. And let me tell you, the latest builds have been impressive in both speed and stability.
So here's how you should do it. Go to Mozillazine and check the build bar there. Go read the comments and choose a nice build. That way you can actually choose not to download a bad build. If one of those crashes too much, delete your .mozilla-directory. Chances are you have an old one which is not necessarily compatible.
That's it. Oh, and don't only talk the talk. Walk the walk and submit bugs instead of just complaining about beta-versions.
Even though I won't buy Opera, it's nice to see some competition. I strongly suspect they will have a hard time with Mozilla, though.
FAQ as it list a rather extensive list of platforms they are "actively persuing". The list includes Alpha, Sparc and Power PC to name just a few.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
I would like to point out that when Opera first looked into porting their browser to other OSes, the response from Linux users was hardly encouraging (actually, I beleive the Amiga users were the biggest fans of the idea).
Perhaps if people sent encouraging e-mails to Opera, or any other company that is developing for Linux, rather than complaining that beta software *gasp* has bugs in it, we might get software a little quicker!
Sorry, but Slashdotters, as a group, seem incredibly negative. On the one hand you complain that Microsoft restrict choice, and then someone asks why Opera bother porting their browser to Linux...
And someone else said they would give Opera the same chance they gave all the other browsers; if it coredumps, they go back to Lynx. My apologies if that person did actually mean they'd do that test for the release version, but I suspect they intend to run the beta version, which undoubtably will coredump, and will go back to Lynx without giving Opera a reasonable chance.
This isn't actually meant as a flame, this is meant to give people more of a perspective. In particular, if someone from Opera reads Slashdot (and is that all that unlikely), I wouldn't be exactly suprised if the Opera for Linux project gets pushed even lower down their priority list.
Many of us are lucky, we are running on systems that are less then 3 years old. Others aren't as lucky, and there are a great many people that can't afford even the most basic new computers. In rural areas where I live people spend 350 bucks for an old P100 monitor speaker and modem and they have to make payments on that! Opera at least gives them a Browser they can use. Even see people use it on a 386, that's impessive.
It's a welcome addition to the Linux community. It gives some other browsers competition If Opera is like it's windoze cousin, it's very lite and fast. I'll have to fire it up an old 486 and see how it runs in Linux. It seems Opera is extending the life of some of my hardware ;)
"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
I'd like to see a GTK version too.
Roll on the final release (and version 4.1)... Paul
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Sorry, this will come over as flamebait, and yet it's a rant. Mod me down now, and don't bother reading any further.
.tex and .tiff files! I also find it unwieldy to use.
I have real problems with _all_ the current browsers, and always try new ones on the hope that they are better than the ones I've tried before.
all of these include using the latest 'stable' version. And I only mention my most recent annoyance, often there are many...
IE - I can't disable JavaScript without going into such a paranoid mode that I can't even download anything, even
Netscape - crashes my machine sooo hard (in Windows and Linux) that only the power switch can bring the machine back to life.
Amaya - dropped core within 5 minutes of running it. lather rinse repeat... Also has a slightly wierd feel to the UI.
Mozilla - dropped core within 10 minutes of using. lather rinse repeat... Also suffers from too much clutter which removes vital inches from my desktop (hey, my girlfriend's blind and likes 640*480 on my 21" monitor) OK I can turn it off, but that means having to navigate arounf another maze of configuration options, I've only just become comfortable finding options in Nutscrape.
So, I'm giving Opera the same chance that I gave the others. As soon as I start seeing core files, I'll go straight back to Lynx, which for most of the kinds of sites I visit (boring technical ones).
Do I have anything good to say about any browsers?
Yes -
Netscape - Great Newsreader, my favourite ever.
Mozilla - Great cookie/image management, really
handy.
Lynx - Never had a problem with it at all.
Shame about the web-pages though...
Rant, rant, rant, rant, rant...
FatPhil
Also FatPhil on SoylentNews, id 863
On the other hand, even though it's of no use to me, I have to give them points for including a statically linked binary -- no need to install Qt only to try out their browser for an hour or so.