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OS X on Intel Hardware?
CNN has an article originally from Macworld on the possibility that OS X will be ported to Intel-type hardware. There is much mention of Wilfredo Sanchez and his recent port of Darwin to Intel compatible hardware, and the economic state of Apple and how that may shape the decision to run with this idea. Most of it is speculation, but definitely interesting if it comes to pass, seeing as not much would be needed in the porting effort from where they are already.
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Anyone remember when Power Computing used to kick their ass performance-wise in the PowerPC realm?
This was largely an illusion due to volume differences. Power Computing sold maybe 200,000 machines in their entire lifespan. Apple seels about 1 million per quarter. When you have such low volume as Power Computing, you can announce products and ship them much sooner.
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this is pretty cool, but how will Microsoft react?
Ive wanted a Mac for years but cannot afford to ditch my PC or have 2 computers.
I'll bet the license fee will be pretty evil, seeing as Apple has a vested interest in selling you its hardware.
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This "OSX on x86" seems to show up almost as often as Apple being purchased by Sun.
I don't think anyone has a religious attachment to the assortment of microelectronics that make up the PowerPC chip. It's just a chip, after all. The issue is that there are some fundamental hurdles to overcome if Apple was to release an OSX on x86 and not have the shareholders lynch Jobs. None of which I've seen the osxonintel.com people address, by the way:
1) Profits: How does Apple succeed by competing directly with Microsoft and Linux on the same hardware? How do they differentiate? Much of Apple's core value to its customers is because of the tight integration of the hardware and software.
2) User experience: How does Apple maintain the Mac ease-of-use with such a plethora of x86 hardware to support?
3) Applications: All of the legacy Mac apps (Carbon and Classic) are processor-dependent. A great OS is useless without applications.
4) Product introductions: Apple is currently able to rapidly introduce new technologies in both the hardware and software simultaneously to get products to market quickly. These include FireWire, Airport and many other low-level improvements that don't have sexy names. Waiting for hardware manufacturers to get their act together would hurt Apple.
Some of this may be solved by Apple creating a proprietary machine, much like a current Mac, but with an x86 chip instead of PowerPC. That may solve all the problems except #3. How do you run current Mac apps, especially those that are so sensitive to performance like Final Cut Pro? I know all Slashdotters think that a Pentium III 1.2GHz is worlds faster than a G4/500, but in real-world use, this just doesn't seem to be the case. This seems to be especially true for media-intensive applications that the G4 was designed for. And there's only so fast Office is going to launch. Regardless of which chip is faster, it's clear that the x86 is not a significantly faster chip to emulate a G4 in any sort of reasonable manner. The only solution, therefore, would be for Apple to build some kind of hybrid machine with both a G4 and Pentium/Athlon on board.
And then there's the most basic question: why? Yes, Intel has continually ramped up the megahertz of the Pentium (as has AMD), but the G4 has held its own in real-world performance. The biggest issue to tackle is the perception problem that Motorola has created by not upping the clock rate of the G4 in about a year. But Apple has addressed this somewhat by shipping MP systems at the same price as single CPU machines. And while this power is not really exploited by Mac OS 9, Mac OS X (the topic of conversation) was built for SMP. In that case, you can get a system with two fully-utilized G4s on board for $2500, the need for an x86 system is greatly deemphasized.
Finally, there is this weak but persistant argument that as soon as Apple releases Mac OS X for x86, their marketshare will explode because everyone already has the hardware. I flat out just don't buy that. Sure, maybe hobbyists would pick it up, but with no apps (Office and IE, for example), it's useless for real work.
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Nothing blazingly new in the article, but having cnn coverage of that is nice.
Note that Carbon is not supposed to work on i386 now (while Darwin and the Cocoa environment does). Quartz (the window manager) either. So it may be a little more trouble than the ports that NeXT did.
Anyway, the real killer that apple have is the Yellow Box. It is the Cocoa environment on Windows, and this would be a very very smart move to make it avalaible again (in that case, people could write windows apps in Cocoa). Without that, the developer mindshare of apple is going to shrink more and more (because hard-core mac developers have little reasons to move to Cocoa: they would loose Mac OS 9 compatibility, and have to learn a new language. And the less Cocoa developers, means less Cocoa apps, means less possibilities to move to another processor/OS, which in turn means less appeal for the mac platform, which means less developers....)
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Yes, but when you get right down to it, their profitablity is based on the fact that they've colour-coordinated their cases. And got old songs to play for commercials. And given fancy names to old/unexciting technology. Microsoft: "Where do you want to go today?" Apple: "Who cares where you go, so long as you look good doing it!" Sun: "Wherever you want to go, you can do it more easily with Java! No, really!" Linux: "Well, I was planning on going Over There, but then I saw this little side-road, and I thought I'd take a look, and...." BSD: "Where ever you want to go, be assured that nobody can grab you on the way." BeOS: "Wherever you want to go, we'll break up the group into little pieces and send you all separatly." IBM: "No more than 6 people will ever want to go somewhere anyway...." That's all I can think of off hand.
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I am excited about OS X, but worried. I am mainly worried about support for the Software I depend on (Adobe Illustrator, QuarkExpress, Adobe Photoshop), for the little plugins for that software I use, and for the drivers for most of my hardware (high-end scanners with Photoshop plug-ins for their fuctionality, etc.). Furthermore, there will be about a two year period where I am working with a mixed environment of MacOS and MacOSX computers (and Linux and Win 2000 servers - we like to use the right tool for the right job). How well will everything work together?
With all this confusion, I cannot afford to switch both my OS and my hardware. Sollutions like multiple processors are better for the type of job I do. Photoshop in MacOS 9 gains a huge performance boost with multiple processors (while the rest of the OS gains some instability).
This talk is good, I guess. If nothing else it will scare Motorolla into increasing the clock speed on the G4...
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At this stage, Apple is running on dry
How do you qualify that? They have about 4 billion in the bank, have been profitable for the past -- what -- 11 quarters, and sell a million machines every quarter.
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