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Gutenberg Bibles Online

Richey writes: "The British Library is making the Gutenberg Bible, the first major bible printed in the West available online. (Direct link to the book)." This isn't the first high-res copy of the Gutenberg Bible online; a German university library has already done it with their copy, but it's still cool. Update: 11/23 8:25 AM by michael : For the people that skipped those boring history classes, this was the first book printed in the western world with movable type, a huge leap in printing technology.

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  1. You guys are missing the point! by Jonathan · · Score: 5

    This isn't just some religious thing. The Gutenberg Bible is important because it was the first book printed with moveable type in the West (The Chinese Empire actually had a moveable type several centuries prior, but as with their invention of gunpowder, they failed to use it effectively -- they were sort of the Xerox PARC of civilizations, I guess).

    The thing about moveable type is that it made books afffordable. Like the Internet, it suddenly made a lot of information available to people.

  2. The Bible 2: Jesus Takes Manhattan by fluxrad · · Score: 2

    From the creator that brought you Life On Earth and The Great Flood, comes an epic story of a carpenter's son:

    You've read the first. But you don't know the whole story...

    Jesus is back. This time, it's personal.


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  3. About time. by fatphil · · Score: 2

    What did the stooopid UK government decide to waste hundreds of millions of pounds on a couple of years back? A new reading room for the British Library. Waste of money. They could have converted hundreds of thousands of books into electronic form for that amount of money, and they would have been accessible to 50+m Brits rather than just the few hundred thousand that live a short bus ride away from Euston. (Yeah, I'm gonna pay #4.80 to travel on the underground to go read a book, right).

    At last someone's seen some sense.

    1 book, it's a start...

    FatPhil

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  4. Anyone notice what language it was printed in? by leereyno · · Score: 2

    The typeface was damned near unreadable, but it looked an awful lot like latin to me. Talk about a perfect way to brush up on the latin you learned in high school or college and have since then forgotten. If I remember right the catholic church was not happy about the printing press, especially the printing of bibles. The last thing they wanted was for the common man to study and understand the bible his or herself. After all, the bastion of religion is ignorance. Lee Reynolds

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    1. Re:Anyone notice what language it was printed in? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2
      Yes, it is in Latin.

      I believe the first bible to be translated into English was the Wycliff version. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. &lt--- Hey look a first on /. Someone asking to be corrected if they are wrong :)

      Allthough most bibles don't properly TRANSLITERATE the names.

      From http://www. the modernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bibleversion .htm

      1. 1384 Wycliff
      2. 1526 Tyndale
      3. 1535 Coverdale
      4. 1537 Matthew
      5. 1539 Great Bible
      6. 1568 Geneva Bible
      7. 1568 Bishop's Bible
      8. 1582 Rheims, New Testament
      9. 1609 Douai, Old Testament
      10. 1611 Authorized / King James Version
      11. 1903 R.T. Weymouth, The New Testament in Modern Speech
      12. 1913 James Moffatt, A New Translation of the Bible
      13. 1917 The Holy Scripture
      14. 1927 E.T. Goodspeed, The Complete Bible: An American Translation
      15. 1944 Ronald Knox, The Holy Bible
      16. 1946 The Revised Standard Version (The Common Bible)
      17. 1950 The New World Testament
      18. 1955 H.J. Schonfield, The Authentic New Testament
      19. 1958 J.B. Phillips, New Testament in Modern English
      20. 1958 The Amplified Bible
      21. 1959 The Holy Bible: The Berkely Version in Modern English
      22. 1961 The New English Bible
      23. 1966 The Jerusalem Bible
      24. 1966 Today's English Version
      25. 1970 New American Bible
      26. 1971 New American Standard Bible
      27. 1971 Kenneth Taylor, The Living Bible
      28. 1973 New International Version

      Yahweh bless.

    2. Re:Anyone notice what language it was printed in? by leereyno · · Score: 2

      So you're telling me that a group having a monopoly on information and its interpretation is a good thing?

      An understanding of the bible by the people helped lead directly to the protestant reformation. This fragmentation of the catholic church's power was very important to the social and scientific advances of the past few centuries. Democracy and theocracy are mutually exclusive. Imagine a western world similar to that of islamic countries where the church and the state are one and the same and everyone is brainwashed by religion. One where demonstrable reality takes a back seat to what some priest says is the truth based on the beliefs of a mid-eastern culture from ancient antiquity. For all practical purposes you might as well be living in the soviet union. But luckily we don't have to live like that. We live in a world where what can be seen and what can be proven is the basis for the interpretation of reality. One where each of us has the freedom to speak our mind without fear of imprisonment and tortue.

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  5. Public domain by Webmonger · · Score: 2

    Public domain means "not copyrighted". Copyright is not permanent. The copyright on the Gutenberg Bible (if there ever was one) has long since expired. It has been public domain for centuries.

  6. High res? by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 2

    A typical page of the British Museum rendition seems to be about 60kbyte JPEG, barely legible, with heavy JPEG artifacts. The German work is much higher resolution, typically 500 kbyte JPEG, and quite legible.

    1. Re:High res? by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 2

      I wrote: A typical page of the British Museum rendition seems to be about 60kbyte JPEG, barely legible

      My mistake. There are two levels of thumbnails. Click on the 60k JPEG to get a 900k JPEG which is indeed high resolution and legible.

  7. Re:not to troll or anything by gorilla · · Score: 2

    Books have 2400, 4800 or even 9600 lpi. Even the cheapest laser printer does 300lpi. Screens typically have 72. There is a LONG way to go before any screen can get the resolution we're used to on paper.

  8. Re:Lazy Sod by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    It was a good 20km away. would you walk that distance to just read a book?

    Damn straight I would.

  9. That's correct by Pentagram · · Score: 2

    I posted the story, and I meant to say BOOK. D'oh! I felt sure it wouldn't get posted simply as the first bible.
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  10. Re:????? by John+Miles · · Score: 2

    Prove to me the your life has value.

    Trivial. Attack me, and the proof will become self-evident. :)

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  11. D'oh! by Pentagram · · Score: 2

    I submitted this story. It's meant to say the first BOOK published in the West. I cocked up. Sorry. *holds hands up*.

    To be honest I don't think it's that interesting just having a major bible online. The British Library has done it well though.
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  12. Re:People like you make me sick by guran · · Score: 2
    Oh nice bait, lemme have a bite... Not because of you (+1 Troll) but because of those who really think like that.

    What a perfect example of the kind of secular thinking that has led Western culture down the road to decadence and immorality.

    A road traveled by so many great civilizations before. The road signs are not "Godlessness" but "Success, beware"

    Rather than embracing over two thousand years of our cultural heritage,...

    If two thousand year old theories are better than current ideas, then I guess pre-christian religions must be even better?

    ...you're perfectly willing to accept revisionist lies that claim that Christianity is some kind of "myth" rather than being the undoubted Truth of a kind that doesn't exist nowadays.

    Funny, replying to someone calling christianity a myth by calling it the *undoubted* truth. Apparently at least someone has doubts... Actually a few billion people have.

    The Truth is that the Bible teaches us of our place in the Universe and how to live our life in a decent, moral manner, so that all mankind will better itself and rise up to Heaven when they die. But oh no, you'd rather accept concepts like "moral relativism", an excuse for atheists to do what they want without fear of consequence

    The bible has some nice ideas about how to live in a moral manner. Ideas that followers of most religions as well as atheists would agree upon. But why the emphasis? If the bible is correct, why should the God fearing worry? They are on the right side. The only reason to look down on the less God-fearing would be if you had your doubts about wether your moral behavoiur will pay off and you don't want others to have the benefits of a less godly life.

    Unfortunately, science has said nothing, and indeed can say nothing, about the ultimate Truth of creation.

    Fortuately, neither can the bible.
    The only truth is: We don't know.

    You make me sick.

    You make me laugh. Gee, that *makes* you a better person!

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  13. it's goatse.cx by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Parent links to http://atsm.fr.fm, which points directly to Goatse.cx

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  14. It's PD because it's before 1923 by yerricde · · Score: 2

    god should sue for copyright infringement. It's his work, and he aint dead yet.

    Any work created on or before December 31, 1922 (such as the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek source of the Bible or the authorized 1611 English translation thereof commissioned by King James), is public domain. Any work created on or after January 1, 1923, is effectively under perpetual copyright in the United States thanks to Congress's "creative" use of a loophole in the Constitution.

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  15. Re:ahh. good by stesch · · Score: 3

    One thing is missing:

    Latin for Babelfish

  16. Huh? LOTS of bibles are available online by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 2
    the first major bible printed in the West available online
    Uhh? The Bible Gateway has dozens of major Bibles available online (in a bunch of languages, too), including NIV. I guess they may mean available IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, but that's not at all the same thing.

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  17. This is great by buttfucker2000 · · Score: 2

    Although I don't usually find bibles terribly exciting, this thing's a real work of art. Pity they don't make books like that these days.

    Incidentally, there is another one (from the University of Keio (Japan) here.

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  18. A good use for the internet by fantomas · · Score: 4

    Think laterally here folks!

    This is a very useful, very important use for the internet. You are looking at very high resolution images across the internet of a unique book.

    OK so this may not be big news for folks whose idea of important books are the latest O'Reilly's a whole 30 minutes away in your nearest bookshop.But for historians, academics, subject specialists, this means potential desktop access to a whole library of significant works that could previously only be accessed by flying 3000 miles to see. Not all of these have been previously accessible via high resolution facsimile copies, and besides, the facsimile copies that do exist are often very expensive themselves and rare enough (they don't do Harry Potter style print runs of 12th century works...)

    This is very good news for historians.

  19. Why this is important by Araneas · · Score: 2
    The Bible forms the basic underpinning of western european thought. In it are contained the seeds of our culture, our way of perceiving the world, and the basis of our ethics and morals. No one book has had more effect on where we are today than this one.

    Technologicaly the Gutenberg Bible represents the first step in mass public disemmination of information that that ultimately lead to the internet. Think of it as a religious floppy disk. Previously, Bibles were labouriously hand copied and could not be distributed widely, much like HD's. The Gutenberg and more importantly its printed descendants, could be sneaker netted across the known world relatively easily.

    Philosophically, the Gutenberg Bible is important because it is free as in speech. It began the process of opening the Word of God to examination by others than the clergy. Did this cause the reformation? Maybe not, but it certainly contributed. From the Reformation, come the Protestants, from the Protestants, Capitalism and modern democracy whether or not these are good things I leave up to you to decide.

    To have this on the net for everyone to see is simply amazing.

    Just to state my biases, I am Pagan not Christian, but I still maintain the Bible is the most important work in the Western canon.

  20. Ok I had to by guran · · Score: 2
    People stopped replying to my sig. So I changed it...

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  21. not to troll or anything by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 2
    ... but I find it hard to read more than 5 pages of an online novel without having at least a couple of coffee breaks. Printing the damn thing doesn't make things easier either: carrying around a jillion of loose papers you drop all over the place and arrange in random order when you pick them up is quite painful too (not to mention the painful process of actually printing it).

    However, you, of course, don't have to read the whole thing from page to page. This is a sweet link to have bookmarked when some jerk on irc claims he is quoting "Matteus 5:1" or whatever.

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    1. Re:not to troll or anything by cheekymonkey_68 · · Score: 2

      ... but I find it hard to read more than 5 pages of an online novel without having at least a couple of coffee breaks

      When electronic books become cheaper and more widespread this will cease to be a problem.
      They have the portability of mobile web access (wap, i-mode etc) with the readability of a traditional book.

      The book readers that are slowly becoming available have backlit display, are virtually indestructable (i.e. in moments of boredum you throw them at your collegues) and allow you to download new books or journals to them as you see fit.

      Of course unlike a traditional book or newspaper content will be able to be updated....

  22. Halleluja by JurriAlt137n · · Score: 2

    And on the 8th day, he created HTML, and he saw that it was good.

    Amen.

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  23. laptop to church by H*rus · · Score: 3

    Cool, now I can bring my laptop to church

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  24. The pressures of marketing in 1454 ... by belbo · · Score: 3
    The Background page has some interesting remarks:

    While producing the Bible, Gutenberg's team learned fast about the economy of printing. This is reflected in differences between various copies of the Bible.

    Three major changes of plan can be detected :

    1.It was first envisaged that rubrics should be printed in red. This was soon abandoned, perhaps to save time.

    2.It was decided to increase the number of lines per page, presumably to save paper.

    3.It was decided to increase the print-run, but as some sheets had already been printed in the number first envisaged, these pages had to be printed again. This is the best explanation for why a number of the pages exist in two different versions.

    Times haven't changed that much, now have they?

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  25. As with most things... by HiyaPower · · Score: 2

    It pays to have a good press agent. Printing actually goes back to about 800 AD in China and Korea. Guttenburg also printed on small item before this Bible (a hymnal). Slightly more than half the issue was on vellum. The paper ones were considered to be the inferior copies. The decorations you see on these were added after the printing process was dome.

  26. Failed to use it "effectively?" by cfish · · Score: 3

    Chinese invented exposive powder and created fireworks.

    Westerners got thier hands on these powders and started to make weapons and started war.

    So, who failed to use it effectively?