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Interview with Larry Wall
Alfred Bacon writes "There will be an interview with Larry Wall on The Paula Gordon Show available on Saturday at 3:00 pm EST. It is an hour long in RealAudo format broken up into 10 minute segments. Mr. Wall will be discussing Perl, Free Software and the Open Source movement. It should be worth listening to."
I was enjoying the rather banal chat of the program until, at the very end, the host jumped completely off the page. She pulled a lame deconstuctionist trick out of her bag and Wall just bought it...hook, line, and sinker. Linux "has light in it" therefore, it's analogous to Lucifer. So, we can say, axiomatically, Gnu/Linux is the instrumentality of evil. Open source MUST mean that "evil" hackers will get better and easier mischeif. Futhermore, this Luciferian Gnu/Linux "movement" (if such a thing exists) is, by definition, repugnant to GOD. Who, then, is GOD (outside of Texas)? I'm not really bashing the host for her dunder-headed drivel. I think everyone can see what she's all about. I just think Wall should have pulled her up short on the absurdity of her analogy. Of course, I could be wrong.
I've listened to a bit of it, she sounds a bit irritating and not quite knowing what she is discussing. But that's just my opinion.
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Please list one (just one) Open Source Software program that is not also a Free Software program.
Visit http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/li cen se-list.html for a list of licenses that are "Open Source" licenses but not Free Software (such as Sun's Community license, Apple's APSL, etc).
First: the FSF isn't involved with Open Source.
So, you're saying that gcc, emacs, GNOME and all the other FSF software is not Open Source! Wow! You'd better let RMS know that people are treating it as Open Source by copying, modifying and distributing it.
There may be two different communities (the dogs versus the canines), but the software is the SAME! No difference. Every OS program is also FS, and vice versa.
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If you don't know GNU from Unix then you'll get a nice introduction. This interview obviously isn't for the slashdot set. It is definately for the Director's, Manager's, and other people who are intrested in matters Open Source or PERL but just don't know a register increment from the bit-bucket.
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So from that perspective, this is a nice little piece... and it's news for nerds in that the interview is good for use as evangalism... pass the link around to those whom you feel are ready for the good-news brothers and sisters!
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Please list one (just one) Open Source Software program that is not also a Free Software program. It is possible, I'll admit, but it would take a mighty good lawyer to follow the OSD while violating the Free Software definition.
Huh?! The examples are too numerous to mention, starting with Apache, released under the BSD License, and Perl, released under the artistic license. The main difference between these licenses and the GPL, which defines Free Software are:
under the GPL, you have to make any modifications to the source for a program also freely available.
Under most of the licenses which fall under the OSD, you are free to do whatever you want with the source.
I have seen numerous proprietary extensions to Apache (Raven SSL Server, by Covalent is one) where source is not available. And propietary Perl programs, where the code is in Perl, but you're not allowed to use it, unless you have paid a very hefty license fee. The GPL is not some vaguely worded manifesto, as was previously stated in this thread, bit a very precisely stated document, also drawn up by a team of lawyers (say what you will about RMS, he does nothing half-assed). Let me summarize the Free Software License (GPL) and one of the many licenses that full under the OSD.
GPL: The program, including the source is freely available. You may only modify the source code if you then make the modified source code freely available.
BSD: The program, including the source is freely available. You may modify the program in and any way, and are free to do what you wish with the modified source code.
You see, in a way, the OSD is much more free (yes, as in speech), because the OSD doesn't make constraints on what you can do, if you decide to modify a program. However, the GPL is IMO way better, because it guarantees that any improvements or modification to the source code, will also be free.
Open source/gpl'd/etc. software is about the community that makes it happen, not a few individuals. Yes, linus has had alot to do with the linux kernel, but so do a significant number of other people who have, and are, working on it right now. It's not that linus isn't important to the community; it's that he's no more important than dozens, if not hundereds, of other people working on the same project. cults of personality help noone - the talking heads spend too much time doing interviews and become either convinced of their own status as gods, or become disenchanted with the media, and the work that led them to their prominance; people in the community go from having a very personal sense of signficance, and duty, to the project(s) they're working on to being disconnected trainspotters who produce code for someone else, not for the community... I think. But I'm rambling, and this post is far too long.
Neither Sun's Community license nor the APSL are Open Source licenses. Try again.
You can find a list of approved Open Source licenses at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/
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I'm simply amazed that I'm reading this! The GPL is not the only Free Software license!!!!!!!
Both the Apache and BSD licenses are Free Software and certified as such by the Grand Guru of GNU himself. Please go peruse the GNU and FSF pages at your leisure and round out your otherwise fine education.
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can you give one rms quote where he says, or even implies, that people should write free software for any reason other than that they want to? Put another way, does rms ever say or imply that people must write free software (rather than saying that people should write free software)?
Am I the only one wondering why I have to download audio clips instead of downloading a text page with the transcript of the interview. I don't see the appeal of audio.
If the sound quality is poor, audio may be hard to understand. Audio is also much bigger than text. I can read faster than someone can talk, and I can skim the text for interesting bits. It's also easier to understand something that's written down, especially if it's not your first language.
Larry FLYNT if thats the one you two are talking about is, is the guy who created the adult magazine "Hustler".(An alternative to Playboy and so on) There's also a movie about him -find the info at ; http://us.imdb.com/Details?0117318
I, for one, have sent mail a few time to the /. team suggesting an interview with M. Wall. This man is incredible in interview : look at http://www2.linuxjourna l.c om/lj-issues/issue61/3394.html for a good example.
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Well i'll be tuned in, won't everyone???
Oh yeah it's... Larry... Wall... great.. I'll stay tuned.
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Now that would bring in some advertising $$
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if larry speeks half as well as he did at the Atlanta Linux Showcase this year, this is well worth listening to.
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Ah, megs of realaudio just for this:
"hello, this is larry wall, and i pronounce perl, perl"
I am !amused.
I saw the title and got my hopes up, but why not? Of all the interesting people slashdot has interviewed, why not do an interview with Mr. Wall? Or has it already been done? I don't remember one. You'd think he'd be willing with slashdot what it is: the only question is whether or not he would have the time. Think about the questions you could ask. Did the creation of perl involve alcohol? What does he think of obfuscated perl contests and slashcode?
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I am the Zealot RMS
My hair is long I am a mess.
I am aiming for the EU next...
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I will be Fuhrer one day
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Your kids will install HURD in school
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OSS fascists will control you
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Knock knock at your front door
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Come quietly to the camp
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You will croak, you little pests
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Uber alles Open Software.
What is to stop the community losing sight of it's goals...
What goals are those? Everyone has their own set of goals, and the only one I can find universal to the Free Source community is "share your individual creations." There's no way that statistics and popularity contests can affect this goal.
The community does not equate to the FSF. Not everyone is an ideologue. Larry Wall has consistantly represented a large portion of the community, and there's no reason to complain about him giving an interview just because he won't be talking about changing the world through licensing.
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What is to stop the community losing sight of it's goals when it becomes obsessed with user statistics & popularity contests? The community should be about word-of-mouth propogation, not mass media hype. The message that open source software from the FSF sends out is only achieved through direct use, not by glitzy advertising campaigns & talking heads.
The community approach has worked very well so far, why shouldn't work in the future?
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yes. dead kennedys kick ass. even though this sort of song was "ha ha" funny its good to see i'm not the only dead kennedys fan that reads this website :-)
...is this Paula person as annoying to listen to as Katz is to read?
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Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
To actually start a comment out by fulfilling godwin's law, and hence proving yourself wrong before you made your point, is so increadibly dumb that, I am hoping, that it is the reason you got mod'ed up to (3), was which means we need a new catagory:- (Score 5: Hey come look at this idiot!)
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