Why would that be effective? I'm sure the cost of the CD and jewel case is not worth the cost of repackaging. You've just costed them an extra 50 cents, big deal
Harlan Ellison Will never, *never*, give up a lawsuit. This is a man who has mailed dead gophers, and squid third class to people who have pissed him off. He has a very good ability to make people think that he is completely nuts. Harlan Ellison has sued many people over many years and has never, ever lost. Grab a collection of his essays. As an added bonus, you will never see the world the same again.
Re:Pacific Bell is a solution? I don't think so
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Having done this for over a year. It's not as cheap as you think. Even though the cost of the wire is cheap, you still have to run bandwidth that you're probably buying for up to $500/MB on a 10Meg circuit. Plus there's the cost of finding and renting space next to the CO (the only way to get a fairly good coverage area. Plus running some kind of circuit to your real office, plus the cost of the equipment, plus, plus, plus. The main advantage of this seems to be slightly more reliable service, since you're running everything yourself, and only depend on the ILEC for running unloaded, uninterrupted copper (which they're notoriously bad at)
Apparently, they went up earlier, and attached the rope to the bridge. and then at about 3:40 am, they just attached the rope to the empty beetle shell, and tossed it over. Apparently, according to witnesses, it was done with "Commando-like" precision.
Wiley's "Homer" had been running in hundreds of papers for months, before he decided to put it online, and go back to his regular strip. It wasn't a matter of generating buzz. 10s of thousands of people were already enjoying it.
Please list one (just one) Open Source Software program that is not also a Free Software program. It is possible, I'll admit, but it would take a mighty good lawyer to follow the OSD while violating the Free Software definition.
Huh?! The examples are too numerous to mention, starting with Apache, released under the BSD License, and Perl, released under the artistic license. The main difference between these licenses and the GPL, which defines Free Software are:
under the GPL, you have to make any modifications to the source for a program also freely available.
Under most of the licenses which fall under the OSD, you are free to do whatever you want with the source.
I have seen numerous proprietary extensions to Apache (Raven SSL Server, by Covalent is one) where source is not available. And propietary Perl programs, where the code is in Perl, but you're not allowed to use it, unless you have paid a very hefty license fee. The GPL is not some vaguely worded manifesto, as was previously stated in this thread, bit a very precisely stated document, also drawn up by a team of lawyers (say what you will about RMS, he does nothing half-assed). Let me summarize the Free Software License (GPL) and one of the many licenses that full under the OSD.
GPL: The program, including the source is freely available. You may only modify the source code if you then make the modified source code freely available.
BSD: The program, including the source is freely available. You may modify the program in and any way, and are free to do what you wish with the modified source code.
You see, in a way, the OSD is much more free (yes, as in speech), because the OSD doesn't make constraints on what you can do, if you decide to modify a program. However, the GPL is IMO way better, because it guarantees that any improvements or modification to the source code, will also be free.
That's great until you hit a machine w/o windows.
Whaddaya do then?
"Sorry, please install Windows, and try again?"
I've done One dual-boot install in my entire life. I imagine there are a lot more like me...
Having just done a Debian install earlier on today. I can say a couple of things.
1. I found it easy...
2. I've been using UNIX a *long* time...
to deal with some of the more specific complaints.
1. the ability to install files from an ftp server, or an http server, or something like that. (looks like it's going to happen so far as the draft indicates)
That seems to be done. I did an install today that was amazing. No monitor, no keyboard, no mouse, just a serial console and an ethernet port.
what was even better was that I didn't have to hack the install at all! no kernel recompiles, no NFS mounting, no nothing, it just worked! and it had all the features you listed above.
2. a little bit more flexability in kernel module selection. More modules in the list, more organization, more explanation, more indication of what info the module may need, etc. A really nice thing would be an index of what hardware uses what module - for example, turtle beach tropez plus uses the crystal audio sound driver, etc.
I agree. They could have a (more) entry at the bottom of each of the lists for experts, however, this may be a tradeoff in usability.
3. maybe a documentation disk - should contain some of the kernel docs, some walk through, etc.
This is/definitely/ necessary! The one problem I had was figuring out how the install worked the first time, there should be more docs accompanying the install so you're not flipping screens (which a lot of newbies don't know about) reading the install manual
4. maybe a utility disk that contains a few more utilities - a partition resizer, command line ftp, lynx, etc
this is included in the base package.
5. the ability to pause an install - maybe save it to a diskette?
Neat, but I don't know if it's doable. It's better to make the install quicker so that you don't have to do this.
6. better handling of bad media. it sucks to be installing the base system, and the last floppy is broken, and you've got to start all over again (see point 5)
this is more to do with tar and gz I think. Maybe they could use a better archiving utility, but I don't know what that would be...
7. default to security. dont install services by default, no matter what package group the person selects.
I find one of my biggest problems is that I can't get into a debian install once I'm done. If you look at/etc/inetd.conf on a fresh install, practically nothing is enabled.
8. the 'task' packages should be listed seperately - it sucks to have to scroll thru pages of package lists when you're not sure what sorts of things that you're interested in... maybe some sorta shortcuts/links to package catagories (ie games-nonfree or something)
This is true. The way they accomplished this is nothing short of astounding. They took the best ideas of NeXT, which was the most usable UNIX, built some more stuff to make it more usable on top of that, took ideas from everywhere, and made what seems to be, from all descriptions, a great *usable* UNIX. Any person who is looking at making UNIX more usable has to look at this.
I'm not so sure about that. On the enlightenment mailing list we were getting these questions all the time 3 years ago!:)
Here's an interesting counterpoint to that
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DOH! THis is an excerpt from David Weinberger's monthly zine. It's a paragraph in answer to his father in law, asking him why he spends at least 4 hours a day responding to email
>> So, my father-in-law asks why I do this. What do I get out of it? Clearly, I get stimulation. And maybe someday one of these email strangers will remember me and recommend my work to a reclusive billionaire who will make me the sole beneficiary of his will (well, so long as I can manage to off his cat). But those aren't the real reasons. The world is growing a new nervous system. The neurons are striving to connect. I sense a spiritual mandate so deep that it feels biological. We must find one another, rapidly. We must grip every hand that we see. This is the new evolution. We are building a world that only we can build. We are building the real web, the one that uses technology for connection the way our souls use our bodies. It is joyous.
ESR has made some questionable decisions as of late, but we have always managed to steer him right (in our own Trademarked/. way). For the first time in a while I'm happy to see he has made a decision that nearly everyone will be happy with. I always found TMing the name "Open Source" was speaking for a lot of people that he didn't have the right to speak for.
Wouldja look at that, the US government did something right for once:) (just a dig at esr's libertarian tendencies)
PS please moderate down way below 0 the post I just made with the same subject. (damn tab button, muttermutter)
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Umm, that was a different incident. The parallels are astounding though.
Why would that be effective? I'm sure the cost of the CD and jewel case is not worth the cost of repackaging. You've just costed them an extra 50 cents, big deal
Harlan Ellison Will never, *never*, give up a lawsuit. This is a man who has mailed dead gophers, and squid third class to people who have pissed him off. He has a very good ability to make people think that he is completely nuts. Harlan Ellison has sued many people over many years and has never, ever lost. Grab a collection of his essays. As an added bonus, you will never see the world the same again.
Having done this for over a year. It's not as cheap as you think. Even though the cost of the wire is cheap, you still have to run bandwidth that you're probably buying for up to $500/MB on a 10Meg circuit. Plus there's the cost of finding and renting space next to the CO (the only way to get a fairly good coverage area. Plus running some kind of circuit to your real office, plus the cost of the equipment, plus, plus, plus. The main advantage of this seems to be slightly more reliable service, since you're running everything yourself, and only depend on the ILEC for running unloaded, uninterrupted copper (which they're notoriously bad at)
They had stripped pretty much everything out of the car. It was an empty shell, really
Apparently, they went up earlier, and attached the rope to the bridge. and then at about 3:40 am, they just attached the rope to the empty beetle shell, and tossed it over. Apparently, according to witnesses, it was done with "Commando-like" precision.
Wiley's "Homer" had been running in hundreds of papers for months, before he decided to put it online, and go back to his regular strip. It wasn't a matter of generating buzz. 10s of thousands of people were already enjoying it.
Please list one (just one) Open Source Software program that is not also a Free Software program. It is possible, I'll admit, but it would take a mighty good lawyer to follow the OSD while violating the Free Software definition.
Huh?! The examples are too numerous to mention, starting with Apache, released under the BSD License, and Perl, released under the artistic license. The main difference between these licenses and the GPL, which defines Free Software are:
under the GPL, you have to make any modifications to the source for a program also freely available.
Under most of the licenses which fall under the OSD, you are free to do whatever you want with the source.
I have seen numerous proprietary extensions to Apache (Raven SSL Server, by Covalent is one) where source is not available. And propietary Perl programs, where the code is in Perl, but you're not allowed to use it, unless you have paid a very hefty license fee. The GPL is not some vaguely worded manifesto, as was previously stated in this thread, bit a very precisely stated document, also drawn up by a team of lawyers (say what you will about RMS, he does nothing half-assed). Let me summarize the Free Software License (GPL) and one of the many licenses that full under the OSD.
GPL: The program, including the source is freely available. You may only modify the source code if you then make the modified source code freely available.
BSD: The program, including the source is freely available. You may modify the program in and any way, and are free to do what you wish with the modified source code.
You see, in a way, the OSD is much more free (yes, as in speech), because the OSD doesn't make constraints on what you can do, if you decide to modify a program. However, the GPL is IMO way better, because it guarantees that any improvements or modification to the source code, will also be free.
That's great until you hit a machine w/o windows.
Whaddaya do then?
"Sorry, please install Windows, and try again?"
I've done One dual-boot install in my entire life. I imagine there are a lot more like me...
Having just done a Debian install earlier on today. I can say a couple of things.
/definitely/ necessary! The one problem I had was figuring out how the install worked the first time, there should be more docs accompanying the install so you're not flipping screens (which a lot of newbies don't know about) reading the install manual
/etc/inetd.conf on a fresh install, practically nothing is enabled.
:)
1. I found it easy...
2. I've been using UNIX a *long* time...
to deal with some of the more specific complaints.
1. the ability to install files from an ftp server, or an http server, or something like that. (looks like it's going to happen so far as the draft indicates)
That seems to be done. I did an install today that was amazing. No monitor, no keyboard, no mouse, just a serial console and an ethernet port.
what was even better was that I didn't have to hack the install at all! no kernel recompiles, no NFS mounting, no nothing, it just worked! and it had all the features you listed above.
2. a little bit more flexability in kernel module selection. More modules in the list, more organization, more explanation, more indication of what info the module may need, etc. A really nice thing would be an index of what hardware uses what module - for example, turtle beach tropez plus uses the crystal audio sound driver, etc.
I agree. They could have a (more) entry at the bottom of each of the lists for experts, however, this may be a tradeoff in usability.
3. maybe a documentation disk - should contain some of the kernel docs, some walk through, etc.
This is
4. maybe a utility disk that contains a few more utilities - a partition resizer, command line ftp, lynx, etc
this is included in the base package.
5. the ability to pause an install - maybe save it to a diskette?
Neat, but I don't know if it's doable. It's better to make the install quicker so that you don't have to do this.
6. better handling of bad media. it sucks to be installing the base system, and the last floppy is broken, and you've got to start all over again (see point 5)
this is more to do with tar and gz I think. Maybe they could use a better archiving utility, but I don't know what that would be...
7. default to security. dont install services by default, no matter what package group the person selects.
I find one of my biggest problems is that I can't get into a debian install once I'm done. If you look at
8. the 'task' packages should be listed seperately - it sucks to have to scroll thru pages of package lists when you're not sure what sorts of things that you're interested in... maybe some sorta shortcuts/links to package catagories (ie games-nonfree or something)
That's what apt-get is for
This is true. The way they accomplished this is nothing short of astounding. They took the best ideas of NeXT, which was the most usable UNIX, built some more stuff to make it more usable on top of that, took ideas from everywhere, and made what seems to be, from all descriptions, a great *usable* UNIX. Any person who is looking at making UNIX more usable has to look at this.
I'm not so sure about that. :)
On the enlightenment mailing list we were getting these questions all the time 3 years ago!
DOH!
THis is an excerpt from David Weinberger's monthly zine. It's a paragraph in answer to his father in law, asking him why he spends at least 4 hours a day responding to email
>>
So, my father-in-law asks why I do this. What do I
get out of it? Clearly, I get stimulation. And maybe
someday one of these email strangers will remember
me and recommend my work to a reclusive billionaire
who will make me the sole beneficiary of his will
(well, so long as I can manage to off his cat). But
those aren't the real reasons. The world is growing
a new nervous system. The neurons are striving to
connect. I sense a spiritual mandate so deep that it
feels biological. We must find one another, rapidly.
We must grip every hand that we see. This is the new
evolution. We are building a world that only we can
build. We are building the real web, the one that
uses technology for connection the way our souls use
our bodies. It is joyous.
As someone who works *right* next door, I'd say Zak got off easy...
ESR has made some questionable decisions as of late, but we have always managed to steer him right (in our own Trademarked /. way). For the first time in a while I'm happy to see he has made a decision that nearly everyone will be happy with. I always found TMing the name "Open Source" was speaking for a lot of people that he didn't have the right to speak for.
:) (just a dig at esr's libertarian tendencies)
Wouldja look at that, the US government did something right for once
PS please moderate down way below 0 the post I just made with the same subject. (damn tab button, muttermutter)
Actually Debian does that. Their distro is now officially called Debian GNU/Linux.
how will I laugh for the next 72 hours?