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Correlations Between Video Games And Academic Achievement?

mozzer asks: "I'm doing an independent study course in university, and I'm writing an article on video games and academics - basically seeing if there's a correlation between the two. My prof suggested I take a sample of upper year, business strategy students, and see how well they fair at a strategy game (like Starcraft) and then compare how well they do in the game, to how well they did in the class. The question I'd like to ask is: What game do you think would be good to use? I'm afraid people might already know how to play Starcraft, which will skew the results (considering it has a fairly steep learning curve for new players). Or if there are any other ways we could test this sort of thing?"

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  1. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 3

    Might want to try something with a faster learning curve, and maybe something a little bit more general. Simcity maybe? Tetris would be a great example I think, but you might have problems finding people who've never played it before.
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  2. Base the game on the course by Crypthanatopsis · · Score: 3
    If you're using Business Strategy students, you're going to want a business strategy game. Personally, I'd recommend Koei's Aerobiz or Aerobiz Supersonic, but if you can't get the students interested in something that old (or for the console), Railroad Tycoon or Rollercoaster Tycoon would probably work well. Some students have probably already played Rollercoaster Tycoon, though, and it has a moderately steep learning curve. Aerobiz would be my pick.

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  3. FreeCiv!!! by krmt · · Score: 5

    I highly recommend freeciv for this one. It's got all the strategic elements of starcraft (and then some) and it will allow more actual planning rather than quick reflexes as starcraft requires. There are more dimensions to measure too, such as what successful academics spend their time researching, building, or planning in the game(i.e. what they value in the mock civilization could reflect what they value in the real civilizaion.) Plus, as the name says, the game's free :-)

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    1. Re:FreeCiv!!! by Quazion · · Score: 3

      I think freeciv would be really great for this project, if you start with a bunch of people who have never played before against each other, but then who hasnt played Civ. before ?

      Also i think they should make children play this game at schools, they would learn loads about our history in a fun and nice way, also how to trade and make friends or enemie's, its just one good learning tool overall.

  4. Strategy to gauge business sense? by Yert · · Score: 4

    I'm working on a games review site - Meltdown Gaming - (yes, that was a plug), and of the games we've been reviewing, I'd think something more along the lines of Airport Tycoon or maybe Stardock's The Corporate Machine excellent business sim would be more along the lines to judge dollars and sense.

    Or, just put them out on the streets, with a copy of Dope Wars. (for Win95, now! whoo!) :)

    For even more fun, pit the CS students against the business majors - have one semester's class project be to write a business sim the next semester's class has to successfully complette in order to pass... *evil grin*

    Or even better - have them attempt to start thier own successful dotcom...or is that already an accepted practice?


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  5. What will the results really mean? by ortholattice · · Score: 4
    One question is, what does "how well they did in the class" mean? Once you get into college (a preliminary filter) there seem to be at least 3 measures of "success" which are only vaguely correlated, from my experience. At MIT there were fellow students with extremely high SAT scores but poor academic performance because of various motivational issues, as well as the complete opposite. And then there's "how well you do" later in life which seems to have a poor correlation with either. And "how well they did in the class" is such a small datum as to almost be meaningless. So, at a minimum I would ask for SAT scores and GPA, if that can be done in a confidential blind manner of course.

    Also, how are you going to get serious students to waste time learning a difficult game (you can't eliminate them without skewing the data)? I'm not familiar with the game but a "fairly steep learning curve" doesn't sound promising, and if they just spend a small amount of time learning the basics, it doesn't necessarily indicate how well they would do as experienced players.

    Finally, they may have little interest in the game to begin with, which can seriously impact how well they do, regardless of their inherent ability to do well at it.

    Overall, you have a tough job ahead, if you want results that have any real meaning.

  6. hey by nomadic · · Score: 3

    Forgot, The Incredible Machine might be a decent test of intellectual abilities. Plus it's not as well-known as Tetris so you might have a large pool of people who've never played it.

    Of course, for pure problem-solving, there's always Infocom...
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  7. My advice by Chiasmus_ · · Score: 3

    No, no, have them play Starcraft. Have them play it every day for two straight days, with only a four-hour break for sleep. Then, on the day of their final, have them play Starcraft instead of showing up.

    That's what I did, and it had a *very* definite corellative effect on my grades.

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  8. Video games and scholastics by Chiasmus_ · · Score: 3

    My best guess is that video games do not significantly improve most college students' grades. Let's take a sample question from a hypothetical test:

    (20 points) Cite evidence that ancient Egyptian society was composed of Africans rather than Caucasians, and explain the impact of this anthropological theory.

    Now, let's do a sample experiment. Play Starcraft for three hours. Then, write an essay on the aforementioned question. See how you do.

    Perhaps, though, you want to know whether studying for school improves one's ability to play video games.

    Let's do another sample experiment. Play ten games of Pac Man. Then, spend three hours studying ancient Egyptian culture. When you're finished, play another game of Pac Man and see if your score is any higher.

    I haven't done these experiments, but my hypothesis is that the two are probably so closely linked that every second you spend thinking about whether the Sphinx is a black man will raise your score at least 20,000 points.

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  9. hey! i resant that by fluxrad · · Score: 5

    i se alot of psots about the corlletation of plaeing a lot of videyo gamze and doing poorly in youer studies.

    as an englash major, i play alot of videyo gamze and i donot theenk they have hurt my studees one bit. as a mattar of fact, i theenk i have a signigifant advantege ovar my peers, beeng that i haev larned how to commnucitate in the infarmashun age (i no computars are the next big thing).

    har har all of yuo hoo skoff at me. i will shooot yuo wiht a rale gun.


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  10. x-com by drenehtsral · · Score: 3

    X-Com is a good turn-based strategy game, it wasn't too popular when it came out (c. 1994?) but it was _very good_. You had to direct the actions of a team of scientists, police, firemen, and military personell to contain and cover up an alien invasion...

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  11. Not FreeCiv! by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 3

    If you want to run an experiment, you don't want something with *more* dimensions! You want something with one, or two, at most!

    Maybe something like Tetris, which has two dimensions; critical thinking, and reflexes.

    Or something like Solitaire, which involves planning and resource management.

    Try simple games, like Pacman, etc.

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