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on from the getting-together dept.
_ZorKa_ writes "Yahoo.Com is running an article about the latest partnership of Red Hat and Eazel. The future versions of Red Hat will include Eazel's Nautilus software package. The idea is to use the software as a desktop interface which also automatically updates Linux."
why is nautilus such a revolution?
by
Anonymous Coward
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Konqueror does now what nautilus wants to do soon. Have you looked at www.kdenews.org? You can write great plug-ins for it with about 20 lines of code. I have yet to encounter a page that was fubared in konqueror. It loads faster than netscape and hasn't crashed once. What more do you want?
Now, I think Nautilus is good, and GNOME surely should have its counterpart to Konqueror. But I cannot understand that this "new and revolutionary software" is such a great thing.
KernelPanic
AFAIK Nautilus is going to be THE file navigation tool for the next version of GNOME, period. This sounds like just marketing hoopla to me.
Heading for consolidation
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mfterman
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This development is nowhere near surprising. My personal feeling is that we're going to see far fewer Linux companies and distributions in the future, falling into three categories.
The first category will be Linux distributions that form out of the merger or shutting down of all the various commercial vendors. I know, this Red Hat/Eazel thing isn't a merger but I would not be surprised to see it turn into a merger eventually. We're already seeing buyouts and shutdown of rival Linux distributions. I honestly don't know how much room there is in the market for different commercial Linux distributions. I see room for at least two in each regional market more likely three, but probably not much more than three. And if things head in a certain direction, that third could be Microsoft.
The second one will be major hardware vendors going with their own Linux distribution. Vendors that sell specialized hardware or hardware with special functionality might well go with their own optimized version of Linux. A company that sells graphics workstations would quite likely ship a version of Linux with their own optimized drivers and all sorts of performance tuning to squeeze maximum performance out of the hardware. Or a company might decide that licensing costs from one of the above vendor are higher than the cost of doing it in house. Personally, I think it more likely they'll end up doing a customized version of a regular distribution, but some really exotic varients might need more.
The third category will be specialized distributions that are non-profit or serve niche markets. Debian will last until the heat death of the universe and will be the source from which all non-commercial distributions spring. There might also be distributions for ready-made beowulf clusters and so forth. I think more often than not they will be volunteer efforts or a minor division of some company making its fortune in other ways.
The first time will make its money off of support contracts and subscription auto-update features especially for things like security fixes. The second sort of company will be using Linux to sell hardware with minimal software development costs. The third category won't be trying to make money or won't view this as their main source of revenue.
The first category, in terms of investiment in Linux development, will be focusing on ease of installation and deinstallation as well as ease of use. The second category will tend to focus on driver development and hardware support. The third category will focus on either things that aren't viewed as commercially viable or at best niche categories of software.
rpm -Va (validate packages)
PGP signing of packages
better CLI and GUI tools
apt-get dist-upgrade usually hoses my system
Ways Debian is better than RPM:
Kernel building is very easy
apt-get update
Multiple sources for.deb files
apt-get dist-upgrade (when it doesn't host my system)
I'll stick with Debian.
Slightly OT: Any benefit to IBM buying Redhat?
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PRR
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Just slightly OT, does anyone out there think there might be some benefits of IBM buying Redhat? I realize IBM has said they wouldn't do a distro, but Big Blue + Redhat (along with Eazel and Cygnus) seems like a good mix. I mean, IBM already heavily supports Linux, and much of the original Redhatters are ex-IBMers from RTP.
Some of the benefits of an IBM-Redhat Linux I can think of would be:
-more acceptance of Linux by PHB's
-even more funding behind it all
-GPL some of the OS/2, AIX, and Lotus stuff into it
-maybe even an IBM-funded forked alternative kernel
(re: the/. thread from a few days back about Linus)
-much of IBM is service based, which is what RH and Eazel are trying to do anyway.
It all comes down to the user
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OlympicSponsor
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· Score: 4
Red Hat And Eazel To Parntner
RedHat development of a spell-checker: $2000
Eazel development of a spell-checker UI: $1500
A user that actuall checks the spelling of his words: priceless -- MailOne
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Re:To focused towards Red Hat?
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Goronguer
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· Score: 4
They seem to be aggressively postioning themselves as the 'only' Linux distro to be worthy of consideration by companies.
What's wrong with them aggressively marketing their product? What would you rather have them do? Print a disclaimer on the front of the box, reading, "We think our distro is o.k., but other distros may be just as good or better."???
They are, after all, trying to make money, and that is a Good Thing.
I'm all for everyone, from Red Hat to Debian to tomsrtbt, each marketing their distro as aggressively as possible. More aggressive marketing = more people getting into Linux = more fun for all of us.
Is it just me or does every week bring news of a fyrther alliance between Red Hat and some other company? They seem to be aggressively postioning themselves as the 'only' Linux distro to be worthy of consideration by companies.
In Europe, SuSE has been doing much the same thing, but more focused towards KDE based companies. Are we seeing Linux regionalise into different camps? I am all for openness in the Linux world, but these lates moves by Red Hat and SuSE seem to be blocking the rest of the world off from their borders. With Turbo Linux becoming ever more dominant in Japan and the Far East, we seem to be seeing Linux Distro's being all powerful in their own spheres of influence, and growing apart gradually.
I can only hope that the wonderful technology that Eazel have will be spread around all three trading blocks. Nautilus is an excellent tool, and deserves to be developed for a wide, cross distro audience. I hope that Eazel will also strike deals with SuSE and Turbo Linux.
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This is a smart move all around: think synergy and value. Red Hat has been losing mindshare as of late, especially with the disaster that was Red Hat Linux 7.0. Eazel is on the verge of delivering something very cool that's going to make Linux far more friendly to the end user. Eazel are people that truly "get it."
Everyone gets something out of this deal. Red Hat gets a much more usable end user OS. Eazel gets to deliver real product to real customers (read: revenue stream). Linux users win because the entire OS moves forward, more users come on board, the network effect kicks in, etc.
The whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts in this deal. Good luck to all involved. --
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Now that just sounds like a load of FUD to me. If not, it's probably the least educated thing I've seen this morning.:)
Seriously, a statement like that without any evidence is FUD. It's not worth the bits I recieved to read it.
How? How, how, how would automatically updating signed packages introduce a "security hole"? If all of the Red Hat boxes our there today were to update themselves with security fixes regularly, then they become _more_ secure, not less.
<rant>
Is it just me or does KDE's konqueror already have everything GNOME is promising to have RSN?
I always wonder why people make such a bid deal about GNOME and nautilus, but not KDE and konqueror. </rant>
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Frustration over package management
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sammy+baby
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The idea is to use the software as a desktop interface which also automatically updates Linux.
...probably because plenty of people are sick and tired of the prolems involved with simply downloading RPMs and updating that way, over an extended period of time. It's pretty frustrating to see a "This version of RPM supports major numbers My frustration grew to the point where I abandoned RedHat and tried out Debian. It's hard to imagine going back. apt-get and dselect are happy things, even if they've made me somewhat obsessive compulsive ("9 PM - time for my daily apt-get dist-upgrade!"). And now, I get to join the ranks of people grumbling that folks just don't package up their software in.deb format.
Can anyone familiar with the Eazel updating system post a comparison between it and apt-get? I'm assuming that Eazel's updater is RPM based, since RedHat wanted to enter into this partnership.
Slashdot Mirror
Konqueror does now what nautilus wants to do soon. Have you looked at www.kdenews.org? You can write great plug-ins for it with about 20 lines of code. I have yet to encounter a page that was fubared in konqueror. It loads faster than netscape and hasn't crashed once. What more do you want? Now, I think Nautilus is good, and GNOME surely should have its counterpart to Konqueror. But I cannot understand that this "new and revolutionary software" is such a great thing. KernelPanic
AFAIK Nautilus is going to be THE file navigation tool for the next version of GNOME, period. This sounds like just marketing hoopla to me.
This development is nowhere near surprising. My personal feeling is that we're going to see far fewer Linux companies and distributions in the future, falling into three categories.
The first category will be Linux distributions that form out of the merger or shutting down of all the various commercial vendors. I know, this Red Hat/Eazel thing isn't a merger but I would not be surprised to see it turn into a merger eventually. We're already seeing buyouts and shutdown of rival Linux distributions. I honestly don't know how much room there is in the market for different commercial Linux distributions. I see room for at least two in each regional market more likely three, but probably not much more than three. And if things head in a certain direction, that third could be Microsoft.
The second one will be major hardware vendors going with their own Linux distribution. Vendors that sell specialized hardware or hardware with special functionality might well go with their own optimized version of Linux. A company that sells graphics workstations would quite likely ship a version of Linux with their own optimized drivers and all sorts of performance tuning to squeeze maximum performance out of the hardware. Or a company might decide that licensing costs from one of the above vendor are higher than the cost of doing it in house. Personally, I think it more likely they'll end up doing a customized version of a regular distribution, but some really exotic varients might need more.
The third category will be specialized distributions that are non-profit or serve niche markets. Debian will last until the heat death of the universe and will be the source from which all non-commercial distributions spring. There might also be distributions for ready-made beowulf clusters and so forth. I think more often than not they will be volunteer efforts or a minor division of some company making its fortune in other ways.
The first time will make its money off of support contracts and subscription auto-update features especially for things like security fixes. The second sort of company will be using Linux to sell hardware with minimal software development costs. The third category won't be trying to make money or won't view this as their main source of revenue.
The first category, in terms of investiment in Linux development, will be focusing on ease of installation and deinstallation as well as ease of use. The second category will tend to focus on driver development and hardware support. The third category will focus on either things that aren't viewed as commercially viable or at best niche categories of software.
Ways RPM is better than Debian:
.deb files
rpm -Va (validate packages)
PGP signing of packages
better CLI and GUI tools
apt-get dist-upgrade usually hoses my system
Ways Debian is better than RPM:
Kernel building is very easy
apt-get update
Multiple sources for
apt-get dist-upgrade (when it doesn't host my system)
I'll stick with Debian.
Just slightly OT, does anyone out there think there might be some benefits of IBM buying Redhat? I realize IBM has said they wouldn't do a distro, but Big Blue + Redhat (along with Eazel and Cygnus) seems like a good mix. I mean, IBM already heavily supports Linux, and much of the original Redhatters are ex-IBMers from RTP.
/. thread from a few days back about Linus)
Some of the benefits of an IBM-Redhat Linux I can think of would be:
-more acceptance of Linux by PHB's
-even more funding behind it all
-GPL some of the OS/2, AIX, and Lotus stuff into it
-maybe even an IBM-funded forked alternative kernel
(re: the
-much of IBM is service based, which is what RH and Eazel are trying to do anyway.
Red Hat And Eazel To Parntner
RedHat development of a spell-checker: $2000 Eazel development of a spell-checker UI: $1500 A user that actuall checks the spelling of his words: priceless
--
MailOne
Non-meta-modded "Overrated" mods are killing Slashdot
(Hey Ryan! Here's your proof!)
What's wrong with them aggressively marketing their product? What would you rather have them do? Print a disclaimer on the front of the box, reading, "We think our distro is o.k., but other distros may be just as good or better."???
They are, after all, trying to make money, and that is a Good Thing. I'm all for everyone, from Red Hat to Debian to tomsrtbt, each marketing their distro as aggressively as possible. More aggressive marketing = more people getting into Linux = more fun for all of us.
In Europe, SuSE has been doing much the same thing, but more focused towards KDE based companies. Are we seeing Linux regionalise into different camps? I am all for openness in the Linux world, but these lates moves by Red Hat and SuSE seem to be blocking the rest of the world off from their borders. With Turbo Linux becoming ever more dominant in Japan and the Far East, we seem to be seeing Linux Distro's being all powerful in their own spheres of influence, and growing apart gradually.
I can only hope that the wonderful technology that Eazel have will be spread around all three trading blocks. Nautilus is an excellent tool, and deserves to be developed for a wide, cross distro audience. I hope that Eazel will also strike deals with SuSE and Turbo Linux.
You know exactly what to do-
Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-
You know exactly what to do-
Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-
I think of little else but you.
This is a smart move all around: think synergy and value. Red Hat has been losing mindshare as of late, especially with the disaster that was Red Hat Linux 7.0. Eazel is on the verge of delivering something very cool that's going to make Linux far more friendly to the end user. Eazel are people that truly "get it."
Everyone gets something out of this deal. Red Hat gets a much more usable end user OS. Eazel gets to deliver real product to real customers (read: revenue stream). Linux users win because the entire OS moves forward, more users come on board, the network effect kicks in, etc.
The whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts in this deal. Good luck to all involved.
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Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
Now that just sounds like a load of FUD to me. If not, it's probably the least educated thing I've seen this morning. :)
Seriously, a statement like that without any evidence is FUD. It's not worth the bits I recieved to read it.
How? How, how, how would automatically updating signed packages introduce a "security hole"? If all of the Red Hat boxes our there today were to update themselves with security fixes regularly, then they become _more_ secure, not less.
Is it just me or does KDE's konqueror already have everything GNOME is promising to have RSN?
I always wonder why people make such a bid deal about GNOME and nautilus, but not KDE and konqueror.
</rant>
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Pilchie
...probably because plenty of people are sick and tired of the prolems involved with simply downloading RPMs and updating that way, over an extended period of time. It's pretty frustrating to see a "This version of RPM supports major numbers My frustration grew to the point where I abandoned RedHat and tried out Debian. It's hard to imagine going back. apt-get and dselect are happy things, even if they've made me somewhat obsessive compulsive ("9 PM - time for my daily apt-get dist-upgrade!"). And now, I get to join the ranks of people grumbling that folks just don't package up their software in .deb format.
Can anyone familiar with the Eazel updating system post a comparison between it and apt-get? I'm assuming that Eazel's updater is RPM based, since RedHat wanted to enter into this partnership.