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Borland Kylix Released - Kinda
red_crayon writes: "Borland's kylix -- their port of Delphi (née Borland Pascal),
and, coming later, Borland C++ Builder -- is out.
See Borland's Kylix Web site for more details.
This has been discussed on Slashdot in the past, but it is good
to see that it is finally out.
A kylix is an ancient Greek two-handled drinking cup. Hence,
they keep the Greek theme started with Delphi. And
the two handles are meant to be (???) some sort of symbolism
WRT Win and Linux co-development." It's $999, and this round is actually "pre-order" rather than shipping -- but people have been waiting for this.
The FREE version is scheduled for mid 2001. See this story on LinuxToday.
The "open edition" will cost $99 for a packaged version or be available as a free download. This version allows people to create only open-source software under the GPL.
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
it's extremely frustrating that the open-source community can be so open-minded and so close-minded at the same time. people trash kylix for the price tag because they are used to trusty ole vi/emacs/gcc which are free. they don't seem to understand what kylix is and what it offers. the current state of ide's under linux is ridiculous, in that there currently are *none* that i have found. and don't point me towards glade, kdevelop, etc. i am talking a *true* ide, where i can peace together the gui of my application, and in the same environment assign properties and methods to my components, full integrated debugging, etc. why should i have to hand write hundreds of lines of code just to create a gui for my application? i am in charge of programming several projects in my line of work using delphi, and have ached to be able to develop at home on my linux box, but i am spoiled by the things that delphi gives me. i know c and a little perl and c++, but any time i sit down to write a full blown app under linux, i get frustrated at the mundane things i am required to do just to give the application a face. i challenge any of you who say that kylix has nothing to offer the open-source community to code a full gui app in half the time it can be done under kylix/delphi. and as far as the pricing goes, look around at the prices on other full blown integrated development environments like visual studio, etc. comparing kylix to vi+gcc is just ignorant. kylix/delphi is a full solution for application development built around an unparalleled component environment. take a look at www.torry.net sometime, and show me another language with as many components freely available for download. try to be a little more open minded when a company gives the linux community something as powerfull as kylix. there's no reason to take offense to it's presence and price tag. kylix will usher in a new era of development for linux.
g++ translates the input C++ code into FORTRAN and uses f77 to generate the actual assembly.
Close, though.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
What happened to /. ? There used to be smart "nerds" who had interesting/decent discussions. More and more everything turns into an off-topic war of mine vs. yours.
This Kylix thing for example; People are all over themselves with how I couda done this in this language, or Perl would solve World hunger (which it very well may -- but's that's besides the point).
Here are my points:
1) Read the article; there will be a free version for download.
2) Eyery language bigot I have ever met starts of with "What can your language do that mine can't?" If you have to ask, you are not worth talking to. Because, the answer is -- very little to nothing.
3)Perl, Python, C/C++ -- all of these do exist on the Windows platform. Yet, Delphi find a comfortable place among them. No, it's not the *most* popular language for Win dev, but so isn't Python. ( Sorry, but I had to say it).
4) It's not about having a language -- there are plenty. It's about having a industrial strength RAD environment on Linux.
5) It's about having a good enough platform that lets you switch from a productive RAD session to a performance tuned server app without managing 20 different code windows. And it's about being able to debug them both at the same time.
6) This is not about language wars.
7) This is not about language wars; stay home.
8) As a professional Windows software developer, who has been playing with Linux since the version 1.0 kernel, price isn't the issue to me. My company pays me 6 figure salaries not because how many languages I know. They pay me because I deliver. And if Lylix lets me deliver -- on Linux -- several times faster than I could before, I would pay the $2000 price without taking a "slashdor moment."
Now back to our regular programming...
There will always be a place in my heart for Borland. The first real programming language I ever learned was Turbo Pascal. The Turbo Pascal 7.0 IDE was the best text mode IDE ever. (It could highlight my code with ease even on my 8088). At the height of MASM's (the Microsoft Macro Assembler) popularity, Turbo Assembler could not only assemble its own syntax (called Ideal Mode), but it could also assemble MASM syntax faster than MASM could itself. TASM even went so far as to emulate all the bugs in all the different versions of MASM! Just thinking about it brings a tear to my eye. Borland, to me, was the Mount Olympus of the Programming Gods. Why has Borland never dominated over Microsoft in the PC compiler market? Two things: Microsoft (of course) leveraged their OS monopoly; and Borland had some shitty management.