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Stealth Dave writes "ZDNet has an article about a new television from Sylvania which is basically a Linux box with a 27" monitor and TV tuner (800x600 resolution, even)! It runs a Geode single-chip solution and is broadband capable. Lots of cool features, and is designed to support a hard drive as well. The ZDNet article has a surprising amount of details without being too technical to lose their broader audience." This "news story" reads a lot more like an advertisement, but take it for what it's worth.

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  1. rm -rf /Family Feud by bahtama · · Score: 4
    It seems everyone these days is going to Linux stuff like people were going to dot-coms a few years ago. I think too many companies are trying to capitalize on the increasing popularity of Linux to try and sell more products. Just because someone slaps Linux in a blender doesn't mean it will work better or that everyone will rush out to buy it.

    Companies should analyze whether putting Linux in their products will actually be useful after the excitement is over. I think there are too many paper pushers out there that read an article on Linux and wet themselves, convinced that putting it in everything will be a great idea.

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    1. Re:rm -rf /Family Feud by brad3378 · · Score: 3


      Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here,
      So I'll ask, What would you do differently?

      I'm no expert, but IMHO, Joe Consumer will likely pick the linux television over the windows version just due to the fact that it's going to be roughly $100 less. If they plan on hiding the OS from the consumer anyway, what difference does it make besides the price?

      It's difficult to shave off $100 worth of hardware,
      but it's a lot easier to shave off $100 worth of licence agreements.

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  2. Face it guys, This IS world domination by Ded+Mike · · Score: 5
    ....I mean, TV fer chrissakes!!!

    The answer to the "why Linux?" questions typical of mainstream media was telling and amounted to "Because it was there, and we didn't have to license it!" Once the reporters begin to understand what the GPL REALLY means, the lid will be off and we will all be mainstream.

    REPORTER: Why Linux?

    SAVVY ENTREPRENEUR: Because we already owned it and held the license for it. So do you. So does everybody. We DID contribute to the Linux International organization, but we didn't have to. We already owned the software and system. So do you.

    REPORTER: Huh???!!!

    SE: (continuing) Yeah. The GPL meant that we could build on work already done by others, take that work for free, extend it and give the stuff we paid people to do back to the community/source. For free. We the spent our investors' money in making the idea consumer-friendly and affordable. Because we didn't HAVE to take on or license a partner or partners' technology, we have a better chance of survival. Our business model works BECAUSE OF THE GPL. We can be assured that, from the standpoint of the operating system and hardware drivers, at least, we don't have exposure to intellectual-property or copyright issues...There may be patent issues on the terms of the interface, or the functions of the system, but we wrote that into the business plan and are funded to either license or defend against Gemstar. We were prepared for that when we made the decision to enter the space.

    REPORTER: But...but...but...you didin't pay for the software......!!!!!!!! That's STEEEEEALING!!!! (begins to swoon)

    SE: No, it's not. You can't steal something you already own. More importantly, we paid people to extend the work others did and then gave that work back to the community to be further extended by those same people...That gave us another tremendous advantage. Because we set the project up on a publicly accessible project hosting platform, we can look at those people continuing to volunteer to improve the project and extend it's functionality and get to know them and perhaps hire the best of them based on work they have already done and that has proved a valuable extension and great fit for our business. It makes the problem of finding the personnel resources necessary to grow our business faster than the competition that much easier; thereby further ensuring the success of our business. We concentrate on the consumer. We made a TV behave and receive data like a computer...It's still a TV...simple to operate. Inexpensive. That's our business: to extend the TV as an appliance and add some computer functionality to it. Because we own the base platform the technology is built on, we're free to extend it or allow the community to do so while we continue to make it cheaper and easier to use. Understand?

    REPORTER: BUT YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR THE SOFTWARE!!! YOU DON'T HAVE A PLATFORM PARTNER!!! HOW WILL YOU SUCCEED? WHO WILL PAY FOR YOUR SUPPERBOWL ADS?

    SE: Ummmm...I think maybe you better read the first paragraph of the GPL. I think that concludes the interview. Thanks.

    Questions from the audience:

    1. How long befor Gemstar goes after these guys?

    2. What's the next great embedded Linux platform/idea?

    3. How long befor CE REALLY is dead?

    4. Does J2ME have a chance without Sun GPL'ing the whole J2 package?

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  3. Re:Do it yourself Linux TV by Adnans · · Score: 3

    • Athlon 900 (workstation). A Celery 500 might have trouble doing realtime compression. It does have MMX right? No offense, but Celery's suck ;)
    • BT848 Hauppauge (old)
    • 7200RPM IDE disk, UDMA, unmasked IRQ (mp1e 1.80-something
    • V4L2 which is much better at capturing data than the standard V4L1 stuff

    I would reccommend capturing at 640x480 or 320x240 if you are going to playback on a TV, you'll save a lot of space/cpu without losing anything. Use xawtv for tuning your card, v4lctl or plain xawtv. Then you do something like this:

    $ mp1e -G 640x480 -b 4.0 > some_file.mpeg

    Experiment with the bitrate and picture size for best results. I haven't tried playing back these captured streams on the DXR3 but I'm sure it's possible. Something to try over the weekend :)

    Good luck...

    -adnans
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  4. Do it yourself Linux TV by Adnans · · Score: 5
    I've been running my own doityourself Linux TV typing thing for a couple of months now. Photo's of the actual TV, click here (1) and here (2). The setup supports everything from basic text, mp3 playback, gnapster'ing all the way to fullscreen DVD viewing.

    Hardware:
    • Sony PAL TV with s-video and dual SCART input (G4xx supports both PAL and NTSC output)
    • AMD Athlon 700
    • Matrox G400 MAX (any G4xx dualhead will do)
    • Hollywood+ / DXR3 MPEG decoder card
    • Trident 4DWave NX
    • Wireless SK7100 keyboard (full Linux support using 'hotkeys')
    • Logitech wireless mouse (PS/2)

    Software:
    • Linux 2.4.0-XFS (80Gig *bloody fast*, journalled XFS data partition)
    • Debian Woody (the best :)
    • XFree 4.0.2 + Matrox mga.o binary with HAL
    • WMaker 0.60.4, for proper Xinerama support
    • aviplay + plaympeg for fullscreeen DivX ;-) / MPEG2 playback
    • AlsaPlayer for music *grin*
    • ROX for cool desktop icons and File browsing
    • Anything else that runs OK at 640x480 or 800x600

    The TV..erh..Linux box automatically boots up in KDM so logging in is as simply as switching to the "X Win" channel and typing your user/login :) Unfortunately KDE2 (still) doesn't support Xinerama properly so running it on the TV-out screen :0.1 is tricky at best, impossible for newbies. The Trident NX card, using ALSA, is also hooked up to my Dolby Digital / DTS amp through the S/PDIF which gets me full 5.1 digital audio out.

    Latest addition to the software list is MP3sb which catalogs all your MP3's and has provides you with multiple views of your colection. Konqueror displaying the PHP3 client. Anyway, lots of fun hacking this stuff...

    -adnans
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  5. Article looks like a big ad? by sulli · · Score: 4
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  6. AYBABTU by enrico_suave · · Score: 3

    All your TV are belong to Linus!

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  7. CmdrTaco says: by krich · · Score: 3

    "A box like that could be a great little inexpensive MP3 server or something."

  8. Technical Specs by illumin8 · · Score: 3

    More Technical Specs can be found here.

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  9. Forget banners, here's the future of e-commerce! by BlowCat · · Score: 3
    This "news story" reads a lot more like an advertisement
    Actually it is. I'm going to patent a new method of advertizing in Internet by inserting the word "Linux" into the ad and submitting it to slashdot editors.
  10. A few reasons... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3

    Why did they choose Linux? Had they chosen FreeBSD or something they could save face and not have to tell anyone how they did it. With the GPL, any hard work or software magic they do has to be open source too

    But they don't WANT to close it up. They're licensing the hardware to other manufacturers, so there's nothing to be gained (and a lot to be lost - like willingness of other manufacturers to buy) by closing the software.

    Also: They apparently want to sell to early-adopters, who have been asking for Linux.

    If nothing else, I bet the customers don't want their TV crashing constantly, script-kiddies changing their channels or turning it on at 3 AM, the boss finding out what porn they're watching, and the movie companies showing up to bust them for viewing homemade copies of rented movies.

    If your TV's on the net with closed-source appware how do you know it's not open to all of the above?

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  11. Tivo Functions by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 3
    I'd consider one worthwhile if it had Tivo-like recording/playback of video.

    Even better would be an API, so that I could make applets for them and load them into flash. I could imagine trading these online.

    First killer app: commercial skipper. Record a show beforehand, or start watching it late and it automatically trims commercials from the show. People might be surprised how short their favorite shows really are.

    Of course advertisers would become more wary, and we may need to patch our video-spam killers now and then...

  12. Revolutionary! by grappler · · Score: 5

    Truely we live in a bold new age of incredible technology...

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  13. Other uses for this? by martyb · · Score: 3

    Seems like this would be a great tool for people whose vision is impaired. Let's face it, 800x600 on a 27-inch monitor provides large fonts, and enough space to be useful.

    One downside, though. There would not be much space left over if you had one of these on your desk. I mean, really, wouldn't you just HAVE to hook it up to a PSX2, too? ;)

  14. Whadda Deal by maggard · · Score: 3
    A 27" TV with what's basically a WebTV built into it.

    So why not just buy any other 27" TV with line-doubling and plug in a cheapie home PC? It'll do more and be easier to upgrade in the future. I dunno 'bout you but I expect my TV sets to last at least 10 years, anyone here expect Ch.1 Inc. to last that long or to coninue supporting this product?

    Indeed it apparently can't even do Digital-VCR functions. Give me TiVo + router + firewall + webcaching + light fileserving + telephone + HDTV (& not via some damn 3rd-party add-on but integrated & used throughout) + in-house streaming and I'll buy. Otherwise it's just another TV with yet-another fancy channel guide & some pre-set "portal" crap.

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