Progeny Debian Release Candidate 1

IanMurdock writes: "Progeny Debian Release Candidate 1 is available. Read the release information or go to the download pages."

Comments

Re:opportunity

[Anonymous Coward]

Debian developers are apt to get a woody when confronted by a frozen potato.

you don't need the 2nd CD to install

[raulmazda]

Originally the plan was for it all to be on one CD. Eventually the CD sizes fluctuated up above 1 CD's worth, and the extras (second) CD had to be put together.

You do not need the second CD to install Progeny Debian. It's just extra stuff like kde etc that didn't quite fit on the first CD.

As it is now, I don't believe it will all fit on one CD. If it turns out to be close, I guess we'll try to tune it to fit on that one CD, but that remains to be seen.

Don't listen to the guy who says it's non-free stuff or whatever... that's made up from what I can tell. It's made up of stuff that are in the "extra" package sets, which is not based on free or non-free (I believe netscape is the only non-free software shipping, though I cannot speak authoritatively on the subject).

laz

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My car is orange, my sig is not.

TOY STORY!!!

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

The Toy Story naming convention goes back to when Bruce Perens was head of the Debian Project...

Bruce was the Systems Admin/Engineer for Pixar's network and RenderFarm (tm). Bruce went on to more SPI related stuff, and the ESR flamewars. Debian stuck with the cute release names.

Sid - the horrible child who will blow your toys up - is the permanent name of the unstable package branch!

Jeremiah

Oh yeah, apt... Few team members agree on this one: A Package Tool/Advanced Package Tool/Aquisitive Package Tool. File this under FVWM.

Re:TOY STORY!!!

[Bruce Perens]

I was never a sysadmin there. I was a systems programmer. My main projects were

• The Pixar II Image Computer, for which I did a gate-array behavioral model used to verify a chip we were designing, some of the microcode, and all of the systems software.
• The Iceman Imaging Language, for which I did the non-graphical part of the language design, the language internals, the framework for image processing in the second and subsequent rewrites, and the simpler 2-D processes like compositing and mathematical operators. Graphics and signal processing gurus did the more fancy imaging operators.
• The port of the modeling software to Open GL.
• Lived through at least 3 entirely different business plans, 4 rounds of layoffs, and 8 years in which we lost at least $40 Million. After all of that we finally made money.

I spent 12 years there in all, after 6 years at the NYIT computer graphics lab and half a year doing radiology systems at Matrix Instruments. Much of my time at Pixar was fun, although there were some very stressful and frustrating years mixed in. I remain a systems programmer and never really got into graphics.

Thanks

Bruce

Re:A Commercial Version of Debian

[Sneakums]

The whole point of Debian is that it's not commercialized.

Actually, the whole point of Debian is that it doesn't suck.

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"Where, where is the town? Now, it's nothing but flowers!"

Toy story names.

[Bruce Perens]

Yes. I hear that two years after I left Pixar, they now use Linux in production. They were in a headlong rush toward NT when I left. Ironic, isn't it.

Bruce

Re:progeny

[Bruce Perens]

Aaargh! Although Ian and I are not currently Debian package maintainers, which means we each quit at some point, I think the word "defector" might give the impression that we are somehow hostile to Debian, nothing could be farther from the truth.

Bruce

Re:i wonder

[Bruce Perens]

I am running "unstable" pretty constantly for the last 5 years or so. It has broken to the point that something needed to be fixed before I could use the system 2 or 3 times. It still amazes me how well Debian works given that some developers have never even met another Debian developer. Of late, I have had to force the installer around a few situations where two packages claim the same file, but that is easy to do.

Actually, I wish most software was as stable as Debian's "unstable". Sometimes the name seems like a tremendous overstatement.

Thanks

Bruce

Re:To be clear,

[Bruce Perens]

Again, given that the Progeny executive team currently has the two first Debian project leaders as Chairman and CEO, who also happen to be the Debian founder, the founder of SPI, the author of the DFSG, the chance of alienation or "taking advantage" is rather low.

Thanks

Bruce

FYI, You can do that with Debian now.

[NetJunkie]

Check Freshmeat and do a search for Debian and ReiserFS. Last I looked there were two projects that had made boot disks to install Debian with Reiser. The older one had you create the volumes manually, while the newer project integrated it in to the install. I used these the last time I did a Reiser install and it worked great. ReiserFS is wonderful.

To be clear,

[dbarclay10]

I'd like to make something clear here;

Progeny is not Debian.

Okay? :) Just like Mandrake is not Red Hat. Just like Slackware is not the Linux From Scratch HOWTO/distribution. Please keep that in mind. If you join Debian mailing lists, demanding support for Progeny, you won't be pleased with the results. If you go on Debian IRC channels and demand support for Progeny, you'll get flamed.

If you have a good attitude though, you'll be welcomed. Be nice, be polite. But Progeny is not Debian, so don't expect help from Debian users. Progeny is a variant, and hence rather Debian-like. I'd even say it's compatible on a few levels. But it's not Debian.

Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)

Re:To be clear,

[Forrestina]

"If you join Debian mailing lists, demanding support for Progeny, you won't be pleased with the results. If you go on Debian IRC channels and demand support for Progeny, you'll get flamed."

if you join ANY irc channel and DEMAND support for somthing, you'll probably get flamed. but, the truth of the matter is, most of the system will be debian. same with storm that i've used in the past. if they're smart and don't totally alter the structure, so that they only add to debian, instead of alter.

but, i have a sneaking feeling that, if you came into #debian, or the mailing lists and asked politely for help. that you would still get flamed for using somthing "watered down", and not as "hardcore" as debian.

i'm a debian user, i love it, i recommend it to all my friends. but, the attitudes that you get from a lot of debian users really suck.

not sure where i was going with all that. but, i think you can expect to actually have a fair amount of help from debian users work just fine. like, howto configure an ethernet card, or how apt works, or similar questions.

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Re:To be clear,

[BlowCat]

Well, if Progeny is not Debian, why does it have Debian in its name?

If you expect that people will be blamed for asking support for Progeny in the Debian lists, let's open them their eyes now and tell them that what they are buying is not what they might think it is?

Re:opportunity

[Llanfairpwllgwyngyll]

apt - advanced package management tool (or something like that)
woody and potato are releases of Debian - potato is the current stable release, woody is the next one. Before Potato was slink and before that was Bo. Each Debian release is named after a character from Toy Story :-)

Re:A Commercial Version of Debian

[Llanfairpwllgwyngyll]

This is a commercial distribution *based on* Debian. It's not quite the same thing really.

Debian is non-commercial; new releases are brought out when they are ready, not just to satisfy the marketing department of a corporation. There is no pressure to remove the *live* bugs database from full public access which might come with being commercial.

Progeny's Debian-based distribution is someone taking Debian, packaging it up in a certain way, and selling the distro + support.

Nothing about this worries me - we might even get some commercial software that isn't full of redhatisms that take a while to untangle in order to get it to work on other distributions.

KDE Discrimination By Assholes

[Karma Sucks]

They have a Very Very Old KDE on the second CD but they have the latest and greatest GNOME from today! Just look at the timestamps of the files here:

http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/dists/progeny /m ain/binary-i386/x11/

It's KDE 2.0 from last year for God's sake they are trying to bias users. :(

WRONG. KDE 2.01 out for months & KDE 2.1 for weeks

[Karma Sucks]

And not only that they updated their GNOME TODAY. YOU don't think they could at least have the decency to update KDE when it came out WEEKS ago??

I'm DLing now...

[B14ckH013Sur4]

And was wondering why I should download 2 CDs whose sum is 655MB... they couldn't have packed more on the second or less (5MB) on the first??
Hmm.