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ZDNet Reviews Samba 2.2

Jeremy Allison - Sam (of the Samba team) writes "eWeek reviewed Samba 2.2 - they seem to like it ! It's certainly encouraging to get trade coverage like this, I'm hoping the more people who report Samba use in their organisation to press outlets will encourage them to cover more Open Source/Free Software products ! "

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  1. Good review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    The review goes well and describes how Samba is shaping up as a Windows fileserver, and points out its weaknesses such as lack of Windows NT domain trust relationships.

    However, after such a positive review, it grades Samba thus:

    USABILITY C

    CAPABILITY B
    PERFORMANCE B
    INTEROPERABILITY B
    MANAGEABILITY B

    These grades seem unjustified and unfair. Makes me wonder, what exactly is ZDNet comparing Samba to?

  2. Samba is a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    To me, the Samba project is probably one of the most important projects to support.

    NT/2000, and soon XP, on the desktop is still a dominant force that might take a long time to change.

    But, on the server front - that is a different story.

    Linux, BSD + Samba = Diversity in the back room. Can't let MS have everything.

  3. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    When I saw "A Home For The Technologically Inept" I was just thinking of ZD Net.

  4. ZDnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    1. give some of the shittiest software ever 5 star ratings
    2. are routinely bashed for being MS biased
    3. are suddenly considered a worthwhile source when they give an item of free software a good review

    meaning:
    1. the glowing review is meaningless, they give glowing reviews to buffed and polished turds
    2. don't pat yourselves on the back too much, in case you appear two-faced

  5. SAMBA-TNG addresses some of the problems by Sabalon · · Score: 4

    With Samba TNG, you can have a samba server in a PDC doing inter-domain trust, and have BDC's.

    Also, you can use LDAP instead of smbpasswd, and if you also use LDAP for the posix accounts, you have one place to store the passwords. The passwords are still stored in different fields in the LDAP schema, but keeping them in sync should be mostly trivial.

    It basically has a lot of the stuff that Samba 3.0 should have. The catch is that it is still very alpha and shaky, but is also making good progress. And there is a lot of discovery sharing between the two, meaning that both projects are moving forward at great speeds.

  6. Mac OS X and Samba by mattkime · · Score: 3

    I hope Apple sees the value of including Samba in Mac OS X. Apple should help out the project, at least in some small form.

    Lets embrace and extend SMB! : )

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  7. All it needs now by ch-chuck · · Score: 4

    Is a utility like the 'Netware Migration Tool' that came with NT (which also had a nifty Netware License Violation Feature) , call it "NukeNT" or something. Usage: nukeNT and it finds all file shares, create Samba shares and copy all the files over. Then turn off NT and enjoy the uptime.

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  8. Samba for Mac OS X by sometwo · · Score: 3

    Currently the new Mac OS X does not have very good networking support. It lacks Appletalk support except for printing. It also lacks Windows filesharing. It would be very simple for Apple to bundle Samba with Mac OS X. They could attach a neat GUI frontend and Mac OS X would instantly be a little more friendly to IT workers.

    1. Re:Samba for Mac OS X by frankie · · Score: 4
      attach a neat GUI frontend and Mac OS X would instantly be a little more friendly

      Oh, you mean like this?

  9. SAMBA getting close to prime time... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 5

    SAMBA without WinBind still isn't a general purpose File Server. You need to go and create the Unix accounts. My understanding is that WinBind is Linux only right now, but that it is being merged into the core code. Either way, SAMBA has a great niche in small group servers. For example, if I want a file server for 5-10 people, SAMBA rocks. You can join the SAMBA server to your NT Domain, setup the usermap, and give users access to the shares. For that purpose, I love SAMBA.

    We are starting to evaluate SAMBA 2.2, it's great. Our core infrastructure here is NT4 for various reasons, but our OpenBSD machines all share out the relavent portions via SAMBA 2.0. It's terrific, if I'm not at a Unix workstation and want to work on a developing website, I connect to the share in Windows and go nuts. It's terrifically powerful.

    From where SAMBA was 4 years ago when I started playing with it, it's a new world. You used to need to use separate accounts and not have reasonable NT integration. This allowed you to share out files, but not seemlessly. WinBind promises to make SAMBA servers drop and forget, just administer everything from your NT groups.

    For a reasonable sized office (>10 people) running Windows, I think you'll be happiest with an NT 4.0 Domain with a PDC and BDC, but you can then do your file sharing off your SAMBA boxes. This saves a LOT on NT CALs, as you don't need NT CALs for PDC/BDC access, just file/print sharing. Let SAMBA handle that, and use NT as a domain controller. That way you have central logons without the expense. The cost of two NT servers isn't bad, the cost of NT CALs as your office grows and multiple file servers as access speed matters makes SAMBA great.

    Additionally, if you do any web development, share our your site tree and you can edit files from anything. It's great, whether you are using Linux w/ smbmount, Windows with CIFS networking, MacOS Class w/ Dave, or MacOS X w/ Sharity, you have all your files accessable and can be editted locally. That sure beats SSH/Emacs.

    Alex

    1. Re:SAMBA getting close to prime time... by doorbot.com · · Score: 3

      For Macs, you can use the AppleTalk File Sharing (apfd IIRC), which works fabulously and doesn't require setting up separate user/password lists as Samba does.

      That way you can share files "natively" to the Windows PCs or Macs.

      But, be forewarned, that apfd creates a lot of hidden folders for the Mac side (to handle resource forks and the Trash "folder") that show up as folders on Samba. Read the docs, though, as there is a way to hide those from the SMB clients.

      The one problem I can't seem to fix is that I can't hide the "Icon\r" files. These are from the Mac side, and contain the custom icons for folders... Samba 2.0 didn't let me hide them... either the wildcard I used didn't work, or it didn't work for the character it was matching (the "return" character, '\r')

  10. Re:The Samba feature I like most... by andy@petdance.com · · Score: 3
    the ability to disregard "hidden" shares that are suffixed with $. Gave my unscrupulous co-workers many hours of paranoia wondering why files that are supposed to be in their super-secret warez/p0rn/mp3 shares keep surfacing in a public directory.

    If ever there was a glowing example of "Security through obscurity is no security at all", that's it.

    And please, it's spelled "pr0n". We have standards here.
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  11. We are getting there... by uriyan · · Score: 4

    For a long time, the Open Source community has been suffering from the lack of software which is good for customers. Luckily, it is changing these days.

    For the purpose of this post, I'd like to differentiate between "plain" good software, and consumer-good software. Just "good" means well-engineered. For example, Linux kernel is very good software. It can be used as such, for instance, in embedded applications. However, customers are interested in the more advanced layers. Therefore, the Linux kernel is useless unless it is used as a base for software which is both good in its own right, and easy [enough] to use.

    It seems to me that now the various Linux projects have at last reached the usability threshold. Ximian GNOME 1.4 and the emerging open-source office suites (AbiWord, KOffice etc.) are already very easy and productive. Newer distros have very easy installations that minimize the amount of [command-line] hacking that has to be done to a zero. It is a major victory for Linux, since while we do retain the flexibility of configuring it the way we want, it now much easier for newbies to join the community of Linux users.

    SMB is a very major step in this direction. It is definitely good software; it is quite user-friendly, and is still developed further in that direction. It also provides something that Microsoft does not: unconditional interoperability. Linux will support everything.

    It is very delightful to finally see Linux becoming ready for the millions of customers. With stuff like SMB and WINE, it is no longer a question of Microsoft vs. Non-Microsoft. It is becoming expensive vs. free, bad vs. good and slow vs. fast. We can win these battles.

  12. Check Prices by HaeMaker · · Score: 3

    I like the fact that there is a "check Prices" link next to the article. Too bad it dosen't work. That would be sweet... $0.00.

  13. The Samba feature I like most... by griffinn · · Score: 3

    ...is the ability to disregard "hidden" shares that are suffixed with $. Gave my unscrupulous co-workers many hours of paranoia wondering why files that are supposed to be in their super-secret warez/p0rn/mp3 shares keep surfacing in a public directory.

  14. What make Samba great by cavemanf16 · · Score: 5
    What I think makes Samba great:

    1) lots of options - And not only lots of options, but lots of documentation and explanation of how to use the options to your advantage when setting up your Samba server. Out of all of the Linux meddling I've done so far (which, granted, isn't that much), I think Samba is one of the easiest packages to work with.
    2) developer/customer support - Just from all of the posts that I have seen Jeremy post to slashdot, I can see that supporting his software is very important to him and his team. This attitude of serving his 'customers' in a top notch manner has largely been lost in today's 'new' economy. I can't begin to tell you how much I despise 'customer service' as it usually involves sitting on the phone or at the store, not being served. And usually crappy service when you do get it.

    I, in fact, do not care if ZDNet or anyone else likes Samba. I'm sold on it merely from the human factor of the people who write it. That alone will keep me coming back for more. My advice to the Samba team - KEEP IT UP!