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Mozilla 0.9 Out

Malicose writes: "Mozilla 0.9 is out. Improvements include Automatic Proxy Configuration, Personal Security Manager 2.0 with improved performance and UI, and rewritten from scratch image rendering library." Someday this may very well be the best browser in the world. I write this in konqueror, and hope Moz 0.9 uses half the RAM and is twice as fast and convinces me to switch back.

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  1. unscientific IE & Mozilla race by Odinson · · Score: 4
    I just did a little Mozilla IE race on WIN2k. Neither browser had visited the site before. With a 1/2 second lead (time to click and hit enter) IE was a second slower than Mozilla at rendering my.yahoo.com on a P3 256meg. Thats a total 1 and 1/2 second lead.

    Yea baby :)

  2. Meanwhile, on the Debian front... by John+Whitley · · Score: 4
    .... we still have Mozilla "Stone Knives and Bearskins" M18-3 as our most current package.

    It seems that the major roadblock is legal review of the crypto-in-main policy amendment. But of course, this proposal is 117 days old as of this writing... with no new news that I've been able to detect.

    Does anyone have a clue what the holdup is?

  3. /etc/issue? by Vic · · Score: 4


    Who's going to see that besides people logging in right at the console anyway? I'd be more worried about them stealing the machine than portscanning me. Even issue.net should never get displayed. I mean, what security-conscious person is running Telnet? ;-)

    -Vic

  4. Congratulations! by miguel · · Score: 4

    Well, I have been running the nightly builds of Mozilla for quite some time now, and I am very happy with the speed improvements that have been landed over the past few weeks.

    Mozilla stopped feeling slugish for me about two weeks ago, and ever since it has kept on improving. Great work everyone!

    miguel.

  5. Konq by IceFox · · Score: 4

    I must say that I agree with everyone who talks about how good konq has become. I used to use Netscape 4.x all the time. Then when my GlibC libs didn't want to work with netscape I was forced to used konq. Two weeks later when I had everything sorted out I found konq to be so much more then netscape had been. Faster loading, less memory, faster rendering. I couldn't see myself going back. One of the best parts is that because I run kde the entire enviorment has 1 theme. The browser looks and acts the same as the rest of my desktop. And libs that are used in konq are used in other applications making the total memory usage of my system less. That in itself is worth quite a bit (common ui accross my desktop). I have tried Mozzilla a number of times over the past year, but each time it was less then what I needed. Who knows if this is better then my current konq (kde 2.1.1) , but at this point I havn't found a page (for me personally) that my current konq can't handle and konq looks the same as everything else. When I try out mozzilla I am sure that it will load 30 extra mb of xml, ui, and the backend portable libraries. I know that these are good and all, but I don't really care for all that. All I want it a simple clean browser and so far konq does that for me. I will await the .9 reviews. (and take a look at it myself)

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    Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
    1. Re:Konq by MrClean · · Score: 4

      Interesting the main reason you prefer kong is the main reasons Microsoft integerated IE into windows. Same look and feel; and better performance. May be they were right after all.

      I am not saying they are but it is an interesting observation.

    2. Re:Konq by DeeKayWon · · Score: 5
      DeeK's law: 90% of all KDE users become rabid Konqueror evangelists. I should know. I used to be one. Konqueror is a damn good broswer, but I don't think it's a good thing to detract from Mozilla's impending thunder.

      I may use and love Konqueror, but I still cheer for the Mozilla people because they're just a teeny bit more ambitious; as in, Mozilla runs on Unix, Windows, Mac, BeOS, and others. I still use Netscape 4.7x under Windows because I still prefer its "feel" over IE (Dear Microsoft: Fix the ****ing mouse wheel scolling!!), but it's getting outdated quickly, and I'm going to need something better for Windows. Mozilla and its derivatives (like K-meleon) are pretty much the only runners from the free software/open source community right now. I don't like the idea of Microsoft embracing and extending the web and convincing web designers that getting 90-95% of the potential market is good enough. We need a browser that runs on all platforms and is the most standards-compliant of all of them. That's why I can't help but cheer Mozilla on.

  6. Re:What other MS-compatable alternatives are there by warpeightbot · · Score: 4
    Browser for a WinDoze box?

    Opera.

    Fast, light, solid. Not free, but worth the bucks. A fine example of what Windows software ought to be. Cheap, good, AND fast.

    Yeah, yeah, call me a heretic for recommending something that ain't free, much less not berating her for not running Linux.... fsck it, I yearn for the old days when you had to know a few things to get on the 'net. But I'm not gonna be a sourpuss about it. If they figure out the Linux guys are helpful, just maybe we'll get a few converts. :)

  7. Please use talkback builds. by endico · · Score: 5
    Please, please, please, use our talkback builds on Windows, Macintosh and Linux. Using talkback builds gives us more crash data so common crash bugs can be quickly identified and fixed. Yes, people really do look at this stuff. This is an incredibly easy way to report bugs. You don't need a bugzilla account, you don't need to write coherent english sentences and for a change, filing DUPLICATES IS GOOD!

    Here's a sample crash analysis page. Watch out, this page is 2+ MB.

  8. Re:What happens to Talkback bug reports? by endico · · Score: 5

    >After for first two or three crashes, I stop
    >sending them because I fear my duplicate
    >Talkback bug reports are causing some Netscape
    >employee to curse my name.. "damn! it's that
    >same guy sending in a dozen bug reports for the
    >same silly crash!" :-)

    Heh. Not quite. The crash reports go to a database, not to people. If Mozilla crashes for you during normal everyday use, then you should report each crash. The most common crashes are the ones that tend to get the most attention so if you neglect to report all your crashes, then you're just making them look less common. I'm not sure exactly how the data is tabulated but it can't hurt to report each crash.

    On the other hand if you crash in the same place over and over to just spam talkback then yes, you'll be cursed at.

  9. Re:Thank you! by asa · · Score: 4

    Yes, please include URLs when relevant and if you know what actions caused the crash please include steps to reproduce in the comment box. When we get many talkback reports with the same stacktrace but none of the reports have steps to repro it can make fixing the crash more difficult. Thanks for your help in testing Mozilla and reporting problems.

    --Asa

    You keep an eye on frequent crasher bugs by querying Bugzilla keyword 'topcrash'.

  10. Re:slightly ontopic by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 5
    Junkbuster, among other programs, allow you to forge your headers. Why?

    Well, the biggest one is to prevent stupid sites from refusing to serve you just because you're not using browser X. They're almost always wrong. I'll take my chances, thank you, I don't need you playing Mommy.

    If you're paranoid, there are certain browser-specific bugs that a malicious website can take advantage of if they know your exact version. Better to keep them guessing. (You have cleaned out your /etc/issue file so it doesn't say exactly what version of what OS you're running... right?! If you do, you might as well as change it to "PORTSCAN ME NOW, WORLD!")

    And, it's always a good thing to throw some entropy into to some marketroid's demographics.

    Plus, I hope I give some admins a good laugh now and then. If you ever see this in your server logs, you'll know it's me:

    Mozilla/6.666 (Atari 2600)

    I like the images that this conjures.

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    I can explanate how to administrate your network. You must configurate and segmentate it, so it can computate.
  11. Didn't mention that... by grammar+nazi · · Score: 5

    the new image rendering library was known as libpr0n to all of the developers.

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    Keeping /. free of grammatical errors for ~5 years.
  12. What has Changed & How to get Involved by tk422 · · Score: 5

    The 0.9 branch is known as the performance branch (though more performance stuff is still being checked in) and to that end a lot of stuff has been rewritten for speed: For example, Mail/News now uses Outliner which has at least doubled the speed which I use to have using Mozilla Mail/News. Then there's PSM 2.0 which was totally rewritten from the ground up so that SSL pages are now blazzingly fast. ImageLib (LibPr0n) also was completely rewritten so that it renders images 2x as fast as it did before. This is not to say that this is the end of the performance fixes. In addition to the ones mentioned above, the latest nightlies have a very big speed increase loading pages (which was checked in right after 0.9 branched). In addition were working on getting the startup time down, with among other things the ability on (Winblows computers) to load Mozilla at Startup just as you would IE. bug 76004, (I know some people won't like this idea but some will, and you will have a choice) If you want to help out you can join the channel #mozillazine on irc.mozilla.org. We need Linux coders to help optimize the speed on Linux so that its just as fast as on Windows, were getting there but were still a bit behind. A while ago I stopped b*tching about Mozilla and its slowness and decided to get involved and I have found you can make a lot of difference if you do. Even if you can't devote lots of time to it, even filing bugs, helping sort and duplicate bugs or creating testcases for those bugs is sorely needed. If you have any questions feel free to email me or check out Mozillazine.