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Rambus Found Guilty of Fraud

Joby Walker writes: "The jury in the Rambus v. Infineon case has found Rambus guilty of fraud in regard to their actions within JEDEC. Infineon was awarded $3.5M in punitive damages, but that has been reduced by the judge due to Virginia Law." Rambus says they'll appeal.

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  1. There's a difference by unicorn · · Score: 5

    between the laws being bad, and the laws being badly applied.

    Personally, I don't have any problem at all, with companies being able to patent, and profit from their inventions.

    This case was all about a company suckering an entire industry into using their ideas in a standard. Then after the standard is widely adopted, and prohibitively expensive to back away from, the pop out with a patent that everyone is now in violation of. It's not about patent law being bad, it's just about sleazy business practices.

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  2. Re:Why a damages Cap? by Samrobb · · Score: 5

    Looser pays winner's court cost? No, thanks. Big Hairy Corp would probably consider it a small investment to spend that additional 100K intimidating you by keeping you in court for a year or two. Yeah, you get your money back... but you've lost time, sleep, and gained nothing but stress over it.

    Also... heaven forbid that you are the one to bring suit against BHCorp... you had better be damn sure you will win, because you sure as hell can't afford to pay their legal bills.

    "Looser pays" only works if the two litigants have roughly the same assets. Once you get into a huge disparity, the side with the most money wins, because they cn afford to litigate in order to gain advantage, whether or not they win.

    Now, if the proposal was "looser pays winners court costs, up to the amount that the looser spent in court", then you've got something that might work. If BHCorp spends $10,000,000 suing me, and I spend $1,000 defending myself and loose... well, I owe my lawyer $1,000, and BHCorp $1,000 towards their court costs. If I win, they have to shell out an additional $1000 to cover my court costs.

    Overall, I think this is a better solution... the more you spend to try and win a case, the more you risk loosing.

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  3. Patents not a "right"... by augustz · · Score: 5
    Companies have got to realize patents are not a "right", they are a favor granted by goverments.

    Not so they can get rich by extorting others who are actually innovating by pushing a lot of paper.

    And rambus pushes a TON of paper. For Q2, Rambus's legal bill was $7.3 million! I leave it to you to imagine the amount of paper that buys.

    Rather, patents are a favor granted to benefit we the people with better products at lower rates.

    Companies screaming about being robbed and having their "rights" violated (in this case by members of a jury of americans) should remember, those rights are there to serve us, not you.

    Legit companies should be getting in to stop patent insanity, lest we (and crazy hippy protestors) throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    This ruling does me good. Any way we can contact the judge and send him chocholates?

  4. Re:Well, finally! by werdna · · Score: 5

    It's been beaten to death on /. but the stupid patent laws have to go! This is at least a step in the right direction. I hope the trend continues.

    Seems to me that the consensus here is that the patent system and courts worked just fine in this case.

  5. JEDEC Enforcement? by mati · · Score: 5
    From http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5878071.html:
    Under the organization's rules, Rambus was required to disclose that it had patents that potentially entitled it to royalties for DRAM and DDR DRAM. It didn't. Rambus, however, defended itself by stating that the rules were unclear and not enforced by JEDEC. Evidence uncovered during the case showed that JEDEC's enforcement procedures were less than perfect.
    Some please explain, how is a standards committe supposed to "enforce" disclosure rules? Either you abide by the rules, or you break them and get sued later, right?
  6. Innovation... by AMuse · · Score: 5

    Did you notice in the article that they're citing that this law will slow innovation because people can no longer patent standards?

    It seems to me that companies in court these days are using the word "Innovation" like the boy who cried wolf. If it can't be used to churn a profit, it's stifling innovation. First microsoft bashing GPL and Open Source products, now Rambus.

    "Stifling Innovation" is the newest buzz-word for "We don't like it and we can't profit off it".

    Here, guys. Let me help you out.

    http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=inn ovation
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    1. Re:Innovation... by sracer9 · · Score: 5

      Well said. I can't say that I agree with all the companies citing evolutionary advancements as "innovations". It seems to me that the real innovations are getting farther & fewer between nowadays. One that I can think of, and I'm sure some will disagree, is Linux. Not just the kernel, but the kernel and all packages available for it and the whole way they came to be. Worldwide development over the internet of a free OS? With souce code available? No central company behind it? Nothing but a bunch of uber-geeks working on it in the spare time because they believe it? Must be something of a precedent.

      Just my .02

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  7. NOT GUILTY!! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 5
    This is a civil case. Guilt or innocence is a criminal standard.

    They were found to be liable.

  8. Talk about forward-looking statements . . . by MaxGrant · · Score: 5

    I think this can be safely classified as a completely unexpected result. Careful, patent litigators. The sword you hold isn't just double-edged -- it's got no fuckin' handle either!

  9. In closing... by ackthpt · · Score: 5
    Rambus Counsel: "Ladies and Gentelmen of the jury, please do not let Rambus' patent applications on 'inhaling' and 'exhaling', and subsequent royalties each of you will be held to pay, sway you from your duty in finding my client free of any wrong doing."

    Excepting Ex-President Clinton, whom only pays half, as he never inhaled.

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  10. Thank god... by Kasreyn · · Score: 5

    Maybe this will set a precedent to help destroy the "frivolous lawsuits rather than honest work" business model.

    Awww, poor widdle Rambus. Couldn't sue all your competition out of business. Crap! Now you'll have to, like, commit yourselves to making quality products to increase market share. That's gotta suck. Competition is soooo unfair, right guys?

    -Kasreyn

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  11. Cleaned up news... ;) by Obliqueness · · Score: 5
    The article's quote from Rambus' CEO...

    "Today's verdict, if allowed to stand, poses a serious threat to all technology {litigation} companies that try to protect their {obvious} inventions through our intellectual property laws {that we paid good money for}. It puts innovators {10^H, litigators}at risk of forfeiting their intellectual property rights {6^H, racket} by simply attending meetings of a standard setting committee {and misleading them about your technology, to sucker them into accepting it as a standard}.

    hehe, PR statements are fun to play with...
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