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Experiences w/ Tech-Savvy Politicians?

leperjuice asks: "I recently had the pleasure of speaking with John Podesta (Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff, now a visiting professor at Georgetown ) about tech issues and was pleasantly surprised: not only did he know of the DeCSS case but he knew of Jon Johansen and actually quoted an interview with him. This got me thinking; which politicos out there actually understand tech issues (rather than just have a staffer who occasionally reads Wired)? Which ones don't? What have been your experiences?"

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  1. You know why? by Booker · · Score: 3

    I've heard that he writes gospel music, and he likes the idea of being able to distribute it sans Mega-Corporations.

    Interesting intersection between the religious right and the hackers, eh?

    At the same time, while I feel that the Right (hell, the Left too) has forsaken the normal citizen for corporate interests, it's interesting to see that when a legislator is directly, adversely affected by a corporate interest, all of a sudden they sing a different tune. So to speak. :)

    I mean, if you told me that Orrin Hatch was on the Napster side of the online music distribution argument, I'd think you were nuts - if I didn't know that he had personal reasons to snub the RIAA.

  2. Sens. Russ Feingold D-WI & Pat Leahy D-VT by DHartung · · Score: 4

    One politician who deserves to be recognized is Russ Feingold, the idiosyncratic senator from Wisconsin. Best known for the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill (and one of the few politicians to refuse PAC money in a campaign for national office), Feingold has also long been one of the few tech-savvy people in a notoriously over-age, anti-tech government body. His finest hour in this regard was the Leahy-Feingold bill to overturn the Communications Decency Act, which was left to the courts to litigate; but he's often spoken out on issues near and dear to the EFF, with support for encryption freedoms and online privacy.

    The only Senator who really outstrips him in this area is Patrick Leahy, D-VT, who takes the lead on more tech issues (Feingold often being a co-sponsor), especially since Feingold has put so much effort into the campaign finance issue.

    But especially in those early days around 1995, when hardly anyone really knew what the internet was, Feingold said on the Senate floor,

    Guaranteeing the Internet is free of speech restrictions, other than the statutory restrictions on obscenity and pornography which already exist, should be of concern to all Americans who want to be able to freely discuss issues of importance to them regardless of whether others might view those statements as offensive or distasteful. Shifting political views about what types of speech are unsuitable should not be allowed to determine what is or is not an appropriate use of electronic communications. While the current target of our political climate is indecent speech (the so-called "seven dirty words"), a weakening of First Amendment protections could lead to the censorship of other crucial types of speech, including religious expression and political dissent. I believe the censorship of the Internet is a perilous road for the Congress to walk down. It sets a dangerous precedent for First Amendment protections and it is unclear where that road will end.

    Very impressive. Remember, this was nineteen-ninety-five, TIME magazine was running cover stories suggesting the internet was some sinister force creeping into our homes, and most people still had to have the word explained to them. In those days, it was difficult to find anyone who would stand up for the rights of internet users, who were seen as a fringe group of suspicious characters, hackers, pornographers, terrorists and worse -- rather than today's view that the internet is a basic utility to be enjoyed by all citizens. Fortunately, shortly after this I attended a Rotary Club meeting where he spoke (we are from the same home town), and in the Q&A time I stood up and let him know that a lot of people online considered him a hero.
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  3. Here in Kansas by macdaddy · · Score: 3
    One of our state reps (I'm not sure the title or anything like that) is the Networking God from Wichita State University. He's a great guy. We're looking at a state-wide educational network that would cover all schools, libraries, hospitals, and a few others things and he's got a big hand in that. It's a good thing to because he's probably the only knowledgeable voice there who can tell them if something is technically possible or is worth doing at all. He is a great guy. I work at a peer state university and have had to call him in the past for assistance.

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  4. Check out the Scientific American Article by werdna · · Score: 3

    in which he discussed, perhaps for the first time for many Americans, including techies, the socio-economic importance of the "Information Highway."

    He got it. And he got it years before many of you youngun's first heard of the internet.

  5. Podesta is a criminal & threat to the Republic by AntiBasic · · Score: 5
    The story starts in 1992 when AT&T developed secure telephones untappable by the federal government. The company planned to make them available to the American public. Instead, the Clinton administration interceded and bought up all the phones with a secret slush fund. The plan also involved refitting the phones with a new chip called "Clipper," which would permit the government to tap the phones easily once they found their way back into the hands of American consumers.

    By 1994, White House aide John Podesta had been called into the inner circle of the Clipper project. Meanwhile, Podesta's brother, Tony, a lobbyist and fund-raiser was representing AT&T. His donors and clients, including AT&T, were invited to participate in trade trips to China and obtain valuable export deals with Beijing. Only a year earlier, John Podesta had signed a legal statement promising not to engage in any conflicts of interest involving his brother.

  6. Not a great example... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 3

    John Podesta WAS a staffer. Chief of Staff is an employee of the White House, not an appointed office. Appointees must be confirmed by the Senate. Staff refers to the people within a politicians team that are paid for as part of their office expenses. This is quite ironic, given the power and influence of staff members and their role in legislation. One key difference is that they have no authority in themselves, merely acting on behalf of their poss.

    For example, Ashcroft has powers granted by the legislature and the head of the DoJ. He is therefore confirmed by the Senate.

    When the President hires an aide (normally done by someone assigned to this task by the Chief of Staff, who is responsible for overseeing the staff), they are not approved by the Senate.

    Staff members extend the policians range by acting on their behalf.

    However, in the article you state, "This got me thinking; which politicos out there actually understand tech issues (rather than just have a staffer who occasionally reads Wired)?" This is an ironic question to ask when you are excited about a Staffer understanding tech...

    Alex

    1. Re:Not a great example... by zhensel · · Score: 5

      Your average staffer may not have that much power, but the chief of staff is one of the most powerful people in Washington. To say that they aren't a politician just because they weren't confirmed or elected is a joke. If you say that, you are missing 99% of the politicians in Washington. Hell, I bet Bush's CoS has more power than he does :)

      Your average college intern staffer (like those found in congressional offices, white house mail guys/tour guides, whatever) may not have much power, but don't think that the Chief of Staff is a peon just because the people's opinion doesn't give him/her authority.

      It's nice that you can point out irony, but the poster wasn't wrong in the slightest. The Chief of Staff is a politician to the same level that a cabinet member / Judicial apointee / etc is. (H/Sh)e probably has more power than either during the time of their appointment as well. The Chief of Staff is responsible for more than the White House aides. The CoS also must arrange for the thousands of other executive branch run departments. Some of these jobs need Senate approval, some don't. Suffice to say, it's a demanding job and provides one with more power than almost any other in Washington.

    2. Re:Not a great example... by hillct · · Score: 3

      You're right that Podesta is a staffer and it's disappointing that you'll generally find staffers are more knowlegable in specific areas - such as tech issues - than the politicians they work for.

      More disturbing than this, is the fact that the lobyists I've had the misfortune to talk to are even more knowlegable. This of course, shouldn't suprise anyone. The problem is, in the tech arena, more so than in others, knowlegable indeviduals exert far greater influence, than someone who might be speaking authoritatively on something like enviromental issues. This is a function of the technology industry's extensive use of jargon (which is a whole othrt discussion), but this use of jargon makes the technology insustry especially ceceptable to allowing marginally knowlegable indeviduals, masquerade as experts (also not an infrequent occurance) and due to the extensive use of jargon in the industry, come off more easily as expert than would be possible in industries in which a less extensive jargon vocabulary exists.

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  7. Perhaps I was unclear... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 3

    I wasn't doubting the power of the CoS, that's an incredibly powerful position. Nor are White House aides all minor positions... Remember Iran-Contra... The White House established a private military, multiple corporations to launder the funds, etc., all under the White House aides. They do quite a bit.

    however, the Chief of Staff is NOT the same as a politician. In the cabinet, people are normally accomplished politicians... i.e. popular Senators, Governors, or the occaisional undersecretary from the last White House of that party.

    When picking Cabinet members, the President has to make certain that the Senate will go along. For this reason, the people in the "official" capacity are choosen for their political skills to influence people, etc. They are done to "appease a constituency", "secure a state" for the next election, etc. Rarely are they chosen for their ability to manage the organization that they head. Bush's shortened transistion may have helped in this regard, because he plucked a LOT of No. 2s from the last GOP administration, his father's.

    The Chief of Staff is choosen to get the job done. As a result, they are chosen for their political sense and administrative efficiency. Most of the Chiefs of Staff could never have been elected President or Vice President (although Cheney seems to act like a Chief of Staff at times...), but they can run the White House like nobody's business.

    They are NOT a politician in the regards that Slashdotters think, but they are not an aide as you suggested that I implied. Senior level White House staff are a unique breed... influential, powerful, and significant.

    Alex

  8. Re:Dubya is Tech-Savvy by bkirkby · · Score: 3

    The Yahoo News story actually says that Bush asked federal employees to "cut back" on email, not to "send less" email. Two very different things.

    With the way you worded it, you made it sound as if Bush thought having the computer on (and sitting there), did not use as much power as having the computer on AND sending email.

    The actual wording indicates that Bush wanted people to use their computers less by cutting back on the time they spend in email. Seems reasonable to me.

    I also suspect that Bush has a fairly good idea as to how much time an average person could waste reading non-essential email from friends/family.

  9. My experience with James Barcia by spoonboy42 · · Score: 4

    I'm a constituent of Michigan's 5th congressional district (and a minor, by the way, so no vote for me). I've been pleasantly surprised when talking to Democratic Rep. Jim Barcia. I first met Jim as a result of attending a candidate forum held a few days before the 2000 election in my home town. Jim had legislative business in Washington, and as such, couldn't make it, but was represented by a campaign worker.

    During the forum, I had a chance to ask a question about whether the congressional candidates had supported the DMCA, and what they thought of its potential ramifications for independent computer scientists. While the worker couldn't provide an answer, she did take my name and phone number, and a few days later, Rep. Barcia called me at my home.

    While he was be no means a geek, Jim seemed to have a very good grasp of many issues relating to technology and society (he serves on the house Science and Technology committee). We spoke about DeCSS and Napster in particular. He mentioned that his son is a Napster user, and agreed that modern record contracts are unfair to artists, relating a story about some high school friends of his who sold the rights to a rather popular song of theirs for the price of a new amp.

    So, in short, I found Mr. Barcia to be very open-minded and well informed, as far as politicians go. If only the rest of the congress could be as cluefull as reps Boucher and Barcia...

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  10. It's more than Tech knowledge! by olafva · · Score: 3
    Tech changes so fast, we can't expect our politicians or their aides to keep up with the latest nuance such as whether the rapid growth of FPGAs is likely impact traditional hardware and software. Orin Hatch is to be commended for keeping abreast with new developments in his state as does Wu in Oregon and others.

    However, we elect our representatives primarily for their integrity and political acumen. Their knowledge of technical issues is a pleasant plus, but even more important is if they have an open mind and keen interest in adressing technical issues such as our Virginia freshman congressman, Bob Schrock who is already on key technical committees. Senator Warner can also be trusted to study, consult with aides and vote meaningfully on technical issues.

    The two engineers we elected as President, Herbert Hoover and Billy Carter, were voted out of office after leading our nation to undesireable economic states, despite their strong technical background.

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  11. My Experience with Al Gore by s1r_m1xalot · · Score: 3
    I couldn't figure out where goatse.cx was based. (Who's ever heard of the .cx suffix?) So I emailed Al Gore to see if he knew. This was back in the days when he was still VP. I expected a quick response, I mean, the man DID invent the internet, but what I got blew me away.

    Within 15 minutes I recieved a reply message with my answer: Christmas Islands. I'm telling you, this guy is GOOD. You'd think the founder of the Internet would be working on implementing IPv6 or something lofty like that, but good ol' Al never loses his touch with the common people. It's really a shame that he didn't win the election. A President with a command of his essentials like that would be a credit to the nation. I know you're all thinking one of his staffers wrote it, but you're wrong. If anyone else has had any other positive experiences with Al Gore or goatse.cx, please reply below.

  12. Nevermind Politicians by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 3
    I'm still trying to find a tech-savy IT manager.

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  13. Geography is a good guide by inonit · · Score: 3
    All of the congresspeople in Western Washington, particularly Jay Inslee -- are pretty tech-savvy, for obvious reasons. (And of course, there's Senator Maria Cantwell, also of Washington state, who worked for RealNetworks and got rich before running for the Senate (though she was a congressperson before that). Though I don't know much about the Bay Area, I'd imagine the same is true there.

    Senator Orrin Hatch (see a statement about Napster) has always seemed to have a clue (and an anti-Microsoft one) about these matters. This seems to be because of geography as well -- he's served in the Senate with Novell located in his state.

  14. Barry Jones of the ALP by triplej · · Score: 3
    When I was studying in the University of NSW, the Minister for Science was a Barry Jones, secretary of the Australian Labor Party, and someone who understood the role and need for technology.

    Currently Australia doesn't have someone quite of that calibre. There are no more tax breaks for corporate R&D, professors in Australian Universities are stuck with declining pay rates compared to their overseas equivalents and it seems that all the worthwhile Australian inventions are being brought to market by non-Australian companies.

    All of which might explain why half of the bright people I know have left to work in London, San Francisco, New York and Boston.

    1. Re:Barry Jones of the ALP by snapfrozen · · Score: 3

      We really have it made here in Australia.. Our Politicans are so tech savvy that they reduce education funding, and fight for internet censorship. The actually got the net censorship by getting votes from those in the outback who had never used or seen the internet. In addition to this, our tech minister is about 60 and cant use a mouse :-) The frightening thing is that they got the net censorship through, but had not idea on how to implement it.. what a joke.. looks like our pollies want a cole mining country for ever...

  15. Re:Dubya is Tech-Savvy by Yahnz · · Score: 3
    This is the same guy who a few weeks ago (see Yahoo news) ordered the federal agencies in California to cut down on electricity usage (and now, get this!) by sending fewer emails and turning off their AC's.

    The AC's I can see, of course. But to put them in the same sentence with "sending email"?

    My personal guess is that they have him running an Etch-A-Sketch.