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EFA: Censorship In Oz Wastes Taxpayers' Money

antic writes: "In a report by AustralianIT (Net censorship a $2.5m 'waste'), EFA says that after all the fuss about the Australian government censoring the Internet for Australians, and the government spending a substantial amount of money on the effort, only six complaints about local sites were made in the second 6 months of operation. It suggests that the majority of money spent, and investigations carried out, only helps the largely U.S.-based content filtering industry."

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  1. EFA's detailed analysis by danny · · Score: 5
    EFA has a more detailed analysis of the figures. We also have an FOI request in that attempts to get details of what exactly has been subject to takedown notices.

    My own site has some details of takedown notices and classifications.

    Danny.

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  2. Re:We laugh at the austrailans and their govmnt by ajv · · Score: 3
    Sorry to rain on your parade, dude, but our government is about as left wing as Hitler was. The Liberals (=Tories, Conservatives) privatise everything, they are pro-business, they are anti-environment (due to those scumbags, we're allowed to pollute 8% more than 1990 under Kyoto), and they are paternalistic, monarchistic and non-secular. A fairly unpleasant bunch of right wing loonies causing pain and angst to all fair minded Aussies (such as myself) as they wind the clock back to a mythical 1950's that never was.

    I will be glad when the paternalistic bastards are gone.

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  3. Current Oz Government on the way out by Goonie · · Score: 5
    For the benefit of our international readers:

    The current Australian government is a (highly steady) coalition of two conservative parties, which has been in power since 1996. The other major party is the Labor Party, roughly analogous to the British Labor party, but still retaining tighter links to its labor union history.

    Our parliamentary and party system, again, most closely resembles Britain, in that party discipline is very strong, and votes in the lower house are purely a formality. However, the upper house of parliament is not controlled by a single party, and two small left-wing parties (the Democrats and Greens), a religious right-wing annoyance, and a member of the lunar-nutball right hold the balance of power in that house, meaning that the government has to reach agreement with either the opposition, or some or all of the others, to get legislation through.

    The current Prime Minister is one John Howard, who was aptly described by American travel writer Bill Bryson as "the world's most boring individual". By Australian standards, he is a economic conservative (though due to his current electoral unpopularity he has swung towards popular pork-barelling), and an utter social reactionary.

    For some time, he has tried to play off the unpopularity with rural voters on economic issues (the government has imposed a universal sales tax, which has resulted in higher prices and a great deal of extra accounting overhead for small businesses, who are not happy about it) by, in essence, appealing to their prejudice against drug users, asylum-seekers, homosexuals, the primarily city-based and relatively wealthy advocates of removing the symbolic link to the British monarchy, Aboriginals, and so on. Unfortunately for Mr Howard, the rural and outer-urban constituency appears to be sufficiently annoyed by the economic issues that they will vote Labour or (in relatively small proportions, thankfully) lunar-right regardless, and the inner-urban "elite" are going to also desert his party because of disgust at his social policies as well as economic.

    I think I will join most Australians in welcoming Mr Howard's fairly imminent and fairly certain departure (the election must be held by November or so). Unfortunately, the alternative, Labor, doesn't appear particularly inspiring - if a little more clueful on some aspects of IT policy, which is nice.

    Go you big red fire engine!

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  4. Re:Censorship is a crime by leereyno · · Score: 3

    My point exactly.

    We should be worrying about providing a balanced mental diet for our children so that the occassional greaseburger isn't going to do anything to them overall.

    On the other hand if someone eats nothing but bean sprouts then they're going to turn out pretty messed up as well.

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  5. Censorship is a crime by leereyno · · Score: 5

    I've never been able to understand how it is that anyone would WANT censorship of anything.

    There is no such thing as an idea or a fact that needs to be hidden away from view. If something is a fact then hiding it is not going to change it. If it is an idea then it will stand or fall based upon its merits.

    Therefore the only people who are in favor of censorship are those who fear the truth, or whose own ideas do not stand up to cross examination.

    Most of the censor happy types will drag out the old argument that there are things in this world that are harmful for children to see. Bullshit. I've never seen anything in my life, and I'm about to turn 30, that I ever thought would be inherently harmful for someone of any age to see. Now if you take something, say violence, and feed someone a died of nothing but violence, then yes I can see how that might be harmful to anyone of any age. But seeing violence or sex or you name it within the context of other things so that an overall balance is created is no more harmful to a 14 year old than it is to a 40 year old. The "save the children" argument is a weak argument that the censorship types fall back on because they don't have anything else to stand on.

    Think about it, if censorship was a good idea, would anyone have to resort to a gut-level fear based argument to convince anyone that it was?

    This is why I say that censorhip is a crime. It is a crime because it is a lie that is not just told, it is a lie that is perpetrated upon other people. It is an act of violence against the mind of another.

    The best way to fight censorhip is to refuse to be silenced and to refuse to be censored. There isn't anything anyone can do to you that would be worse than allowing your sources of information to be controlled. Information control is mind control, don't let your mind be controlled.

    Lee Reynolds

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    1. Re:Censorship is a crime by Jhon · · Score: 3
      How much do you think a speed limit sign costs? How many signs do you think there are?
      In California, About $5 a sign, plus an additional $10 on average to replace that sign when necessary. There's a speed limit sign every 5 miles, or when the limit changes. That cost is offset by the revenue generated by traffic tickets. This revenue also covers the cost of enforcing the law.

      Censorship has never and will never produce the revenue necessary to cover it's costs -- not even a fraction of it. That would and has come from the pockets of Joe Public.

      -jhon
  6. $2.5M? Bargain! by ozbird · · Score: 4

    Whether or not the censorship is working is irrelevant if you look at the history behind it. Put simply, the current Oz government needed the support of an independent Senator in the Upper House to pass its policies. In exchange for passing the censorship bill, they got his vote.

    Okay, so it cost $2.5M - what's the going rate for "encouraging" politicians in other countries?

    Internet censorship software: $50
    Yearly ISP dial-in account fees: $360
    Buying a Senator's vote: $2.5M
    Pissing off thousands of voters: Priceless

  7. Misleading writeup by sighmon · · Score: 4

    Timothy's writeup does not make the facts clear regarding the number of complaints made, he states:

    only six complaints about local sites were made in the second 6 months of operation.

    It should be made clear that there were 290 complaints made but only six were found to be hosted locally. The relevant paragraph states:

    "Although 290 complaints were received during the six months, only 139 were found to relate to prohibited content and, of these, only six were found to be hosted locally."

    There should be a clear distinction between complaints made and those acted upon.

    1. Re:Misleading writeup by Sabriel · · Score: 3
      An aussie here. Yeah, g'day. :p

      6 or 290, it's still a farce. The govt's own statistics reckon about six million aussie adults used the internet May 1999 to May 2000. That's just adults, so you could add a few more for children, but anyway - even if each and every complaint of the 290 was by a different person, it means less than 0.0049% (yeah, that's two zeroes in there after the decimal point) of aussie users bothered to get off their bums and complain to the government about something they didn't like on the internet.

      Now I know we aussies are a laid-back bunch, but two-and-a-half million dollars just for that?! Our road system can't cope with our population, the GST we had to have has ripped through our economy like a case of diarrhoea, retired federal pollies are snorting their 69% superannuation while joe average citizen gets 8% if he's lucky, (blah whinge grumble), and the government spends two-and-a-half million dollars so a committee can tell the police there are six naughty aussie sites they should, er, take a look at...

      Flaming expensive bunch of complaints.

  8. On hipocrisy and such... by egjertse · · Score: 3
    It suggests that the majority of money spent, and investigations carried out, only helps the largely U.S.-based content filtering industry.

    I dare say that that the US has the only content filtering industry - I can not think of a single non-US software company making filtering software (unless you count firewalls and such that is). I may be wrong. In fact, I usually am, but it's amazing how far you can get with ignorance and prejudice. Nuff said.

    Couple that with US also having the worlds largest porn industry, and you more or less sum up americans: perfect little conservative christians on the outside, sleazy pr0n-surfing degenerates like the rest of us when they think noone's looking.

    Bearing that in mind, I'm not at all surprised that grassroots response to the aussie pr0n filters weren't all they'd hoped for. Heck, If I found this huge pr0n site that'd slipped through the filters, I'd start downloading like hell - not report it to the government. I mean, come on!

    Then again, It could be just me. Usually is.

    Sigh.

  9. Re:It takes time for these things to have an effec by phooka.de · · Score: 3
    Based on the thinking displayed here we should also give up on the war on drugs, too? After all, it plainly isn't working so let's just let all the kids go out and kill themselves by smoking crack.

    Actually that's not the point. It shouldn't be abolished because it's not working, it should be abolished because it's a threat to civil rights and liberties.

    It may be laughed at because it's not working, though. However, if you think about it a bit longer, laughing at it seems quite a stupid thing to do. So fine, version 1.0 didn't work. What do you think "they" will do while we're busy laughing our butts off? Right, prepare for version 1.1 or 2.0, and then they will be the ones laughing at us. Or rather at you, since I'm in Europe and still uncensored, who knows for how long.