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The Community Blackboard

The Boston Globe has a column by Ellen Goodman about a community blackboard, a monument put up not for a dead president or war hero but to free expression. Read more about the project.

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  1. Some Backstory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    It's good to see our little monument here on Slashdot. Here's the story behind this uniquely Charlottesvillian creation.

    Sometime around 1995 or 1996, the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Speech had the idea that we should have a monument to free speech. They created a board, and asked for submissions from the public sometime in '98ish, IIRC. They got a lot of submissions, some quite creative, but the best one (and thus the winner) was the idea of having a chalkboard. Well, the board selected that one, though surely they knew full well that they were opening a can of worms.

    City Council, as you can imagine, was not thrilled with this. The location of this monument was to be directly in front of city hall. It hadn't occurred to them that they were setting themselves up for a 60' wall; they were thinking maybe a small sculpture or something. So the topic was debated before council, and the general consensus was "what if somebody says something bad?"

    Council finally voted on it a few weeks ago, and it, fortunately, passed. It very nearly didn't. The tricky thing about a proposal like this is that there's no turning it down. Once the genie is out of the bottle (to use the GPL comparison), anybody voting against it can be derided as being anti-free speech. Perhaps not fairly; one could be opposed to it for asthetic reasons, as Councilman Toscano was. (I think he actually voted against it for those very reasons.)

    My mother (a commentator for NPR) had a reading at the TJ Center just last week, coincidentally. I spoke with the director of the center about this very topic, as it's a hot one in town. We talked about some of the practical problems.

    What if somebody erases somebody else's writing?
    Tough. We can't very well pass a long against erasing other people's ideas. In fact, that would accomplish the very opposite of what is intended by this monument. (BTW, I call it a "memorial," because of Charlottesville's serious First Amendment violations, like the youth curfew. So everybody has to accept that whatever they write could be erased immediately afterwards.

    What if it's used for commercial purposes?
    That's speech, too. Let it happen. It would be great if it were so popular and oft-visited (people don't tend to congregate by City Hall, save for during Fridays After Five) that, say, Trax started writing their weekly line-up on that wall. That would be OK.

    What if people write hate-speech? What if the KKK writes nasty things?
    They get to do that. Other people also get to erase it.

    People will inevitably spray-paint it. Won't it be ruined quickly?
    Perhaps, but there's an easy solution. This chalkboard will have a surface that is spray-painted on. If it gets defaced, it's easy to cover over the defaced area so that people can keep writing.

    Will it ever be fully erased? By whom?
    It hasn't been fully decided how often to erase it, whose job that will be, etc. Mostly because nobody knows how popular it will be. Could be daily, could be weekly, could be monthly.

    What if somebody says something defamatory?
    What if somebody puts up posters that are defamatory? There are laws in place to handle this. No problem.

    The timeline for this is that it should be in by the end of 2002. The City is in the process of changing the whole layout of that area of downtown, so I think that they want to roll this work into that. Waiting until 2002 gives the TJ Center time to raise money, too, which is important. If anybody is interested in donating to this project, you can find contact info on their site. BTW, this is all recreated from memory, so I apologize for factual errors and such.

    -Waldo

    1. Re:Some Backstory by PD · · Score: 2

      At Michigan State University we have "The Rock" which is a very large boulder with a flat face, sitting next to a road in a busy part of campus. Every night the rock is spray painted with a different message, sometimes several times in a night. I thought it was a wonderful thing, and if I still lived in E. Lansing Michigan I'd have a website going with photos of the rock updated daily.

    2. Re:Some Backstory by istartedi · · Score: 2

      People will inevitably spray-paint it. Won't it be ruined quickly?

      The University of Virginia, in the very same town, already has something similar to the free speech monument.

      I'm referring to Beta Bridge. No chalk here--just paint. Beta Bridge works because it takes *effort* to post there. You have to paint a fairly large surface, and you have to guard your work all night to make sure nobody paints over it. IIRC, it's an unwritten rule that you don't paint after Sun-up. The bridge is nominally controlled by the adjacent Delta Upsilon fraternity house, and you also need to put "Thx DU" somewhere in your work.

      I won't go into the history of why people are allowed to paint this bridge, or why DU controls Beta's bridge, but it's quite a colorful story and it ought to be available online somwhere.

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  2. Re:I wonder... by Black+Art · · Score: 2

    It has been replaced by:

    "Make random acts of beauty and senseless violence."

    Kind of a "make Love AND War".

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  3. Of Course! by waldoj · · Score: 2

    You're right, of course. I must admit that I don't know the origins of Beta Bridge, but I've enjoyed the ever-changing messages on there in the past decade or so that I've been paying attention. I think that the only thing that makes the City chalkboard different is that it's intended for less-intensive messages. That is, it takes a lot less work, for better or for worse, to write something on a chalkboard.

    Anyhow, yes, UVa definitely gets the prize for doing this far, far ahead of C'ville. I feel foolish for not thinking of that.

    -Waldo

  4. Re:Experiences with College "free-speech" wall by DiningPhilosopher · · Score: 2


    I was constantly tempted to paint over frat party advertisements with "THIS IS NOT A BILLBOARD" in huge letters. But I thought there was a pretty good amount of legitimate artistic expression overall.

    (Pomona class of '98)

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  5. Anonymity by default? by DiningPhilosopher · · Score: 2


    This is a forum in which most if not all messages will be anonymous. It seems to be very hard to keep signal above noise in this kind of forum.

    Of course, there's plenty of censorship built in, in that unpopular / socially unacceptable statements will be more likely to be erased.

    I wonder if they've considered the fact that 'good' people will use the chalk and 'bad' people will use paint...

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  6. DeCSS and Scientology ? by Tolchz · · Score: 3

    So what happens when someone writes the source to DeCSS or "slanders" a Scientoligist...

    1. Re:DeCSS and Scientology ? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2

      It just crossed my mind that I have the printed source to DeCSS somewhere in this disaster of a room.

      Picture it. Among the posters for music, movies and dance parties, there's a section of nothing but sheets of 8x11 paper with source code on page after page, with a single word above it in huge Impact-font letters...

      "DeCSS"

      Wonder how long it would last...

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  7. High tech version in Gothenburg by skajohan · · Score: 2
    There was (is?) a high tech version of this in Gothenburg. Basically, just a huge cube whose sides were some sort of backlit screens. One could send a SMS to a certain number and have the message appear shortly on the cube.

    Quite a fascinating thing to watch. The cube quickly became a popular meeting place though, so many messages were along the lines of "I'm 10 minutes late" or "Meet me at the other place instead".

  8. In the "great minds think alike?" department by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2

    Wild.

    I was just discussing the idea of a public writing slate over on irc.indymedia.org today. Specifically, I've been mulling over locating a large piece of white paper and pasting it up along one of the construction barriers in downtown Toronto, with some markers and an invitation to express oneself. I figure with the loads of ads for CDs, movies, dance parties, restaurants and future fucked dot.coms, why not give the people who walk by them a chance to say something of their own?

    NOW magazine once tried a similar concept for an ad campaign (third item down). Large blank ads with the slogan "Speak your mind" and pens were put up in subway stations throughout Toronto, the idea being people could express themselves. The transit authority ordered the ads removed, but it was worth a shot.

    We need more community forums in the community, not just on a server in some far-off state where only those "in-the-know" are aware of them.

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  9. Scientology will just picket the board by cyberdonny · · Score: 2

    Not sure about DeCSS, but scientology will have a way to "protect" themselves against free expression on this place: they'll just assign a "handler" to it, who watches the board day and night, and videotapes/harasses anybody who sets out to write anything anti-clam on it.

  10. Re:How long untill... by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

    The quote is,

    ?Those who would trade their liberties for a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.?

    Another good one:

    If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that, too.
    -- W. Somerset Maugham

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  11. Re:Monument??? by 1010011010 · · Score: 2
    good point, but the word you're thinking of (I think) is 'memorial'

    Monument:
    1. A structure, such as a building or sculpture, erected as a memorial.
    2. An inscribed marker placed at a grave; a tombstone.
    3. Something venerated for its enduring historic significance or association with a notable past person or thing: traditions that are monuments to an earlier era.
      1. An outstanding, enduring achievement: a translation that is a monument of scholarship.
      2. An exceptional example: "Thousands of them wrote texts, some of them monuments of dullness" (Robert L. Heilbroner).
    4. An object, such as a post or stone, fixed in the ground so as to mark a boundary or position.
    5. A written document, especially a legal one.


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  12. Monument??? by 1010011010 · · Score: 4

    Aren't monuments erected to celebrate things that have passed? Shouldn't a culture that embraces free expression and the curious study of new ideas be enough of a "monument"?

    Oh, wait...



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  14. Hey... by ktakki · · Score: 2

    Isn't that what this is?

    k.
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  15. Experiences with College "free-speech" wall by panck · · Score: 4

    At my school (Pomona College) There is a long wall, approx, 5x150 ft called Walker Wall (it's outside Walker Dorm, and borders the Walke Beach) where people are supposedly allowed to paint whatever they want on it.

    This has, of course, garnered some controversy. E.G when someone painted a quote from some Adam Sandler stand up skit mentioning lesbians or something. Most of the things painted on it are pretty inane, and mostly stupid. Sometimes taggers get creative and put up some interesting tags. It's used as kind of an advertisement a lot.
    Sometimes there are protests/real causes that get featured. Most people ignored the wall. A lot of the painting involved frat related party advertisements.

    I liked that it was supposed to represent freedom of speech, but at least in our closed, college community, it was a big billboard for advertisements most of the time. Also it was pretty stagnant. Sometimes at night some group would whitewash it and paint the whole thing with some slogan, which would be noticed by everyone the next day.

    Guess this post isn't saying much, but as you can tell if you don't filter the responses to a /. post, most of what is going to get put up on such billboards is inane crap.

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  16. Re:How long untill... by mduell · · Score: 2

    Actually, according to Bartleby, the quote is "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Mark Duell

  17. Give it a week... by selectspec · · Score: 2

    ... and the goatsex guy will have that board covered. After a few days, the people in that town will be so right-wing they'll want to abolish talking in public.

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  18. Re:WEB interface / FREE vs ANONYMOUS by Speare · · Score: 2

    This is a FREE SPEECH monument, not an ANONYMOUS SPEECH monument.

    If someone wants to spend the day filling this board with 'goatse.cx' grafitti, that's fine. But they gotta show up and spend the time right there in front of onlookers to do it. And the onlookers can smile at them while erasing the junk.

    Not to say ANONYMOUS SPEECH has its values, but I like this just the way it is.

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  19. I'm amazed... by DESADE · · Score: 2

    that they were able to get this past the city government. As the article states, it is a brave move approving this. The mere fact that people are afraid of what will end up on the blackboard makes the monument a living testament to the idea it represents.

    BTW, read the article. Well written.

  20. Uh, one minor correction by John+Miles · · Score: 2

    www.aclu.org -- True defenders of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    I think you mean "True defenders of part of our Constitution and some of the Bill of Rights."

    If I were to join the ACLU, I'd have to join the NRA, too, just to avoid being seen as an anti-Second Amendment advocate. (And I'm not about to do that, because the NRA's leadership is preoccupied with the notion that the industry I work in is devoted to corrupting America's youth.)

    Here's some homework for those of you who belong to the ACLU: ask your leaders why they don't have the balls to post a link to http://www.aclu.org/library/aaguns.html on the otherwise-exhaustive "Issues" list on their front page.

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    1. Re:Uh, one minor correction by John+Miles · · Score: 2

      I agree with every other issue that they have a view on...

      I do, too, and I'd like to sign up and help them fight the good fight. But I can't deal with that kind of hypocrisy. :(

      but you can't please all of the people all of the time

      I agree. It's more my problem than theirs, I suppose.

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  21. WEB interface by krokodil · · Score: 2

    Too low tech!
    Better idea is huge LCD screen with from
    somewhere on the net, through which anybody
    can post comments.

  22. Good idea! by AMuse · · Score: 2

    This is a pretty good idea. Sure, some people will probably write things on the board that others will find offensive, but that's part of free speech. Besides, in my city, people *graffiti* offensive speech all over the place.

    The speech will be there. Might as well let people use chalk and a board, and encourage it!

    I found the quote interesting as well. "After all, if the first amendment were up for a vote today, it might not pass". Scary, but true.
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  23. Erasure policy by Animats · · Score: 2

    A simple policy for public surfaces, be they chalkboards or bulletin boards: just clear them on a fixed schedule. Divide them in half. Mark one half with something like "Cleared during the first week of each month". Mark the other half "Cleared during the third week of each month". This is a big win for bulletin boards, especially on college campuses. Removes all controversy about content-based censorship, gives everybody a known minimum amount of visible time, and makes it easy on the maintenance staff.

  24. Bill^H^H^H^HChalkboard Liberation by Moorlock · · Score: 2
    In San Francisco earlier this year, someone tried a freelance approach to the same problem - he altered a billboard with chalkboard-spray-paint so as to include a viewer-participation window.

    Check it out! You could do it too, and on the cheap!
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  25. More Beta Bridge by istartedi · · Score: 3

    Here is what happens when people decide to get controversial with it.

    OK, enough of this. Just do what I did. Use Google.

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  26. Re:This is a giant stall. by eviljason · · Score: 3
    I think this will just be the largest toilet stall in North America. Soon the blackboard will just be full of:

    @#( %& #$(*(& jews! @#(&%@# &%* nigga sh#@( *^

    I don't see why people would be offended at the sight of Sendmail rewrite rules.

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  27. later they used the word, "chiseled" - poor choice by dpilot · · Score: 2

    I heard the report on this a few weeks back on NPR. At first blush, it sounds like a great idea. But I remember thinking this at the time, and now I see the word "chiseled" in their report.

    I worry about NOTHING people write with chalk, or erase, etc.

    I worry about what they PAINT, and what they CHISEL.

    That makes the statement that we Americans just can't handle free speech anymore, and perhaps we just plain don't deserve it, either. Sad day when the first permanent mark goes up on the monument.

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  28. Re:How long untill... by electricmonk · · Score: 2
    The real question is: "When will some congressman use kids as an excuse to ban this?"

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  29. Re:I wonder... by Jaysyn · · Score: 5

    Point a webcam at it, and have it take a picture every 5 minutes....then it would be free speech to the entire world...

    Jaysyn

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  30. Millions Flying to SC by Telastyn · · Score: 2

    So they can write "FP! BEYOTCH"

  31. This is a giant stall. by aussersterne · · Score: 4

    I think this will just be the largest toilet stall in North America. Soon the blackboard will just be full of:

    @#( &#%& #$(*(& jews! @#(&%@# &%* nigga sh#@( &#*^

    And it will gradually fill up with spray paint and permanent marker and pretty soon sane people will just walk by without responding in any way. Eventually, it will be declared an eyesore cesspit of racial slurs and four-letter words and will be torn down.

    Let's face it: we all have free speech, but when do Americans ever speak publicly? Usually only when they're upset about something. Moving free speech to the street like this will just give people on the street who aren't in a hurry (i.e. those that basically live there) a place to vent all of their anger at institutional capitalism and perceived systemic wrongs.

    Not that I'm against free speech. I just don't think this'll last, because people don't like to help ugly free speech along if they can avoid it.

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    1. Re:This is a giant stall. by blang · · Score: 2
      And it will gradually fill up with spray paint and permanent marker and pretty soon sane people will just walk by without responding in any way. Eventually, it will be declared an eyesore cesspit of racial slurs and four-letter words and will be torn down. Most likely your predictions will preveal, but there is one thing that may work to the blackboards advantage. It _invites_ people to write there. And if there is anything these brave "rebels" shuns, is conforming to doing legal stuff. It's no fun anymore. People tend to want to do the opposite of what they're asked.

      An example; there's this weblog called heavybias.com, where people are encouraged to enter topics that cause controversy, and the more controversial a topic is, the higher it is scored. You will be amazed by the lack of controversy on that site. They could not produce a flame-war to save their lives. Pretty much every comment is as balanced and politically correct as you can get it.

      But I am still pretty sure your prediction will prevail, there's just too many clueless kids out there. Time, random, and big numbers will prove that you're right.

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  32. Re:Heh by hillct · · Score: 2

    So, are we allowed to Transcribe the source code for DeCSS on the chalkboard?

    For those who want other places to put DeCSS, check out the popular 42 ways to distribute DeCSS.


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  33. How long untill... by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 3

    Some kids parents say "Little kids will be harmed by this!"

    I go with Ben franklyn on this one: "Those that exchange comfort for saftey deserve neither"


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    1. Re:How long untill... by zbeba · · Score: 2

      Just before it's removed because someone chalked up a link to a DeCSS site.

      You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself.

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  34. From the FAQ by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2

    When will the Community Chalkboard be built? If the project is approved by City Council, it is estimated that it will take two years to raise the funds for the monument's construction

    In the meantime, feel free to draw little penguins on the sidewalk in indelible ink. Barring that, note that large concrete structures passable as a venue for artistic expression is currently available at every office building in the downtown area. Do not think yourself limited to only concrete, metropolitan glass and flora are right at your fingertips.

    Dancin Santa

  35. Re:I wonder... by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 3

    Ahhhhhh, that is an interesting idea, and one I'd be interested to see. BUT, consider this -- will a webcam restrict peoples' freedom just as surveilance cameras on the streets do? Wouldn't someone be afraid to express themselves with a camera watching?

  36. I wonder... by mbessey · · Score: 5
    It's pretty sad that everybody seems to be concentrating on how this monument will "inevitably" end up covered in graffiti and swear words.


    To a certain extent I believe them. On the other hand, maybe it won't be so bad, at least at first. When some kid finds out that he can write "my teacher is a weenie" and nobody will punish him for it, he'll have learned what "free speech" is all about.


    And some mornings, there will be 4-letter words written accross the wall in 6 foot tall letters. And maybe somebody will stop by on their way to work and erase them and write a poem up in their place.


    All in all, it'll be a fascinating experiment. And even if it "fails", due to vandalism, it still will have encouraged people to think about freedom of speech in everyday terms, which has to be a good thing overall.

  37. website by Geldon · · Score: 2

    A student from my school posted a website (the website is up, but the contiversial message board is gone. if you are interested, the site is here) that was in no way sponsered by the school, but created a forum that allowed students to post problems with the school, and discuss them on a message board. For some reason the faculty hated it, and students caught accessing it in class got in more trouble then if they were, say, accessing e-mail. There were, of course, many questions brought up regarding the "freedom of speech" in this page. The message board was not moderated, and there were some things posted about teachers that were not true, and somewhat degrading. However, I was a heavy advocate to keep the page going, because I thought that it was a good way for the students to say (anonymously) what they wanted to about the school. I would like to hear some input on this.

  38. Ways to circumvent by zoombah · · Score: 2

    Ways for corporations/big bad government/microsoft to defeat blackboard:

    1) hire lackees to scribble all over blackboard, rendering the writings of others unintelligible.
    2) hire "janitors" to "clean" the blackboard (from site: "regardless of what is on it, the slate will be cleaned by maintenance staff on a regularly scheduled basis. Thus, everything placed on the monument is temporary.")
    3) do nothing. why the hell would i want to walk all the way to a towns square to scribble something in chalk when I can post something on the internet?