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Verisign Shuts Down Domain Policy List
topeka writes: "From ICANN.Blog:
'Without warning or explanation, and without even providing list members an opportunity to reorganize, Verisign today closed the long-running 'DOMAIN-POLICY' list.'" tdye adds: "Even the archives are apparently gone,
before they could be rescued.
Some interesting comments on the shutdown here(1) and here(2)."
45. Further, when the press release was distributed internally at Network of the signing by President Murbarak and the Chair of Network, Defendant Wolford said he was tempted to change the headline to: "Network, Telecom Egypt develop Pyramid Scheme." Plaintiff believed these comments, even in jest, was improper and evidence of racial intolerance as none of these remarks were made when the business opportunities involved a Fortune 1000 non protected class prospect.
How is that racist? Give me a break. If i was doing business with Japan and mentioned Mt. Fuji, would that make me a racist? How about if the deal was with the state of Minnesota and i made a joke about how many lakes they have?
Fucking PC insensitive whiny sore-loser.
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25 May 2001
A corporation which has been granted by the government with an important (and LUCRATIVE) public function has, by implication, given up some of its "freedom" to treat profits its sole priority. It still has freedom, yes-- this is why it can do what it just did-- but it also has something else, something which is quite interesting and isn't usually held by a corporation: OBLIGATIONS. Theoretically it is now a part of the whole "consent of the governed" social contract now, and must take the greater good of the general populace into consideration or else said social contract may be terminated from the general populace's end.
And even ignoring that, even if the government hadn't given them what it did, it is generally considered considerate to do things like give users of a service you provide fair warning when the service is to be discontinued, so that your users may undertake transitioning ahead of time. This is usually a good idea if you want to keep the good will of your former customers, so that they will want to come back to you to use your services in the future.
Didn't Ayn Rand just HATE govenment-granted monopolies?
Copy the archives at Google's cache. Do it before Verisign asks Google to remove them from its cache.
Questions:
Assuming a reliable, reasonably trustworthy competitor picks up running the list and is allowed to provide access to the cached archives, might this be a good thing? It adds value to the new company and diminishes the value of Verisign?
Maybe this would be more important if more people knew what the list was and how it might help them, could someone provide a good description of what the list is and how it has helped them?
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When Declan sent this news to the politech list he cced a verisign contact asking if the list was to be released.
Text URL to the politech post: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02060.html
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Odd, I thought the point was networking computers. Which RFC requires freedom and justice for all?
Nationality has little bearing on it.
Try telling that to someone in China, or Iran, or Afghanistan. Hell, try telling that to someone in a library or school getting funding from the US gov't.
Perhaps the solution is to make a new TLD governed by an administration that's more responcible about freedom, justice and liberty
It would never work, and it shouldn't be necessary to explain why. I think the best solution is more drastic: kick everyone off the big five TLDs and stick them under a country code -- where they're supposed to be -- and let them prove that they deserve an international name; or, for that matter, a national, state, or county (in .us) name. Restrict everyone to the smallest confining domain, and keep them there until they outgrow it. Like it or, political borders exist, they're far more meaningful than any TLD, and they're a damned convenient organizational tool. There no reason to pass up the benefits of using them just to satisfy some anarcho-socialist dream of being free from tyranny.
Search engines don't work!
was that a little fast for you? sorry, I will say it again.
Search engines don't work!
Google think they are doing very well, having nearly 10% of the possible sites indexed, and sorted by number of other sites linking to them. that is 1 site in 10. How about the other 90%? are you going to make 100% coverage by search engines mandatory, or at least offer to fund this? and once they reach 100%, we will be having the same argument again about how search engines are "bad" because they rank one site above another.
I am not saying I approve of Verisign's latest example of how they will shit on the entire internet to squeeze a few extra pennies out of us - or the domain arguments, or the new TLDs. however, the main thing to remember is that they are the *default* root server. if enough of the ISPs start to use alternate roots (and new.net has signed up some already, not to mention that ORSC and Pacific Root have been around for years) then maybe they will realise a mandate from the US government that the US government doesn't even realise it has given, might not guarantee they are even in business two or three years from now... but at least they can fall back on selling certificates that say "microsoft" ;)
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but it also has something else, something which is quite interesting and isn't usually held by a corporation: OBLIGATIONS.
.us domain be given to OpenSRS as well, or perhaps some University -- MIT, maybe...
Call your congressman and ask that NSOL's contract be discontinued, and that OpenSRS/Tucows be given the business. OpenSRS, for those who do not know, is a very open registration system run by Tucows; lots of other registrars' service is based on it, and lots of ISPs use it as well. While you're at it, ask that NSOL's corporate charter be revoked, and the
Didn't Ayn Rand just HATE govenment-granted monopolies?
Why, yes, she did. So did the American colonists, especially the bunch that tossed all that tea into the harbor.
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
No, the point of the internet was to save money and distribute computing. The fact that other uses came about does not inherently make them "the point."
At the same time, just because cost-savings was the old reason for the internet doesn't mean it is the current reason (or one of many!), but there's no evidence that "interconnectivity, borderless ungoverned freedom and no ghestapo Government breathing down your back" is the reason for the internet either.
Nationality has little bearing on it. the usage of .com is for 'commercial' sites only, see how the US gov slipped into making it more of a 'default' domain, leaving even the .net and .org TLD's as second rate. .com becoming more prominent than the other domains, that is a matter of debate. Obviously, Back In The Day, when the 'two domains per company' rule was enforced, .com domains were the only thing a corporation could take. Since money makes the world go 'round, it's only natural that the money domains rose in prominence.
My, we are bitter tonight. In the beginning, there was only the US. It was natural for us (no pun intended) to be the default. As for whether the government was at fault for
On another note, yet another thread degrades into Nazi name calling. Yay. Godwin would be proud.
Is it a coincidence that just a week ago they were given a sweet deal to manage the coveted .com domain for many more years? Did they wait to get this deal before pulling this stunt? Shows their true colors!
...until you people quit bitching about our monopoly!
I've suggested this before and got loads of stupid replies as to why it wuldn't work (not many about what would, though) but I'm going to do it again:
Get rid of alphabetical domain names.
Every problem we have with the bastards at NS/VS comes from the fact that names are valuable. Numbers aren't (in the vast number of cases).
I have been reliably informed that the current version of Bind will accept numerical domain names (e.g., 1.293.1)
Someone (VA, Linus, FSF? Anyone!) set up a single new root server and start selling off the "numerical roots" starting at 1 , 2, 3 etc. If you buy a numerical root you can sell or use the subdomains 1.1, 2.1,.3.1 etc... for whatever charge you want.
How would you find sites? Use a search engine! Or start a new type of search engine bsaed on normal telephone books. In fact, if you can use a telephone system without keying in letters, why should a web based on the same idea be so hard to use?
No letters means no trademarks, no trademarks means no stupid squatting or bullying by large companies.
No letters means local companies are not at a disadvantage (Mr McDonald's electricity shop appears on the search engine beside Ronald's dead cow emporium and you simply click on the one you actually wanted).
With the roots all being numerical there is no danger of VeriShit ever duplicating the system (no money in it for a start) and taking it over, which is the reason alternative roots will NEVER work. If I set up .bit and VS start one up too, who's going to win?
We have to do this or the web will be taken from us.
If someone has a rational reason why this would be worse than letting things carry on as they are, I'd be surprised and interested in their argument.
Names were good when the net was small but they are strangling it now.
This would initally only work in the Bind-world but it would work with very little effort from the users (yet another killer for many alt-root systems) and we could build up some momentium until one day M$ has to add the new root to their software.
ICANN's only purpose is to keep everyone focused on "fixing" the current system by adding more pointless root domains and finding ways to abuse the ccTLDs. Forget that: the current system is NOT fixable.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
But none of that has to do with interconnectivity or "borderless ungoverned freedom". The United States snagged control of .com. Sorry your country didn't get it (did your country happen to be involved in inventing the internet?), but your country DOES have complete and total control over it's own two letter TLD (one less letter to type than .com!). Use that.
This my friends is a textbook example of "American Arrogance". Let me explain. What we have here: An American doesnt know how to deal with being treated equally. Americans feel they deserve special privilege. They dont deal well with others demanding the same power they feel they have.
By your logic, because America 'invented' the internet, you will rule it. As a Canadian I would like to ask that you please not use telephones other than they way we dictate. Because, as you know, the telephone was invented on Canadian soil. If I were a Brit, I may kindly ask then, that you please follow my direction on how to use Radio - as it was invented by Mr. Marconi in London. Also, If I were from anywhere in what is now Europe and Southeast Asia, I might ask that you stop using English as to write your asinine messages in these forums, for English is an invention derived from proto-European languages. Can I please see your newly renewed License to use the English Language(TM)?
You see - all cultures and communities have a great history. Those histories saw much 'invention'. No invention exists in a vacuum. It is unfortunate that some cultures are so intoxicated by their own appearance of beauty in the mirror, that they cannot be cognisant of anything else. Please, my comrades in America, do not continue to let hubris and myopia confuse you. It is good to share... please abandon the imperialistic pursuits and gain some perspective.
"If I was able to see farther it was because I was standing on the shoulders of giants." - Sir Isaac Newton (a brit, inventor of differential calculus and 'gravity'.. ever heard of it?)
This statement is a horrible generality. Not all Americans are this way - just most of them.
So you expect them to be run by the International Non-Denominational Council of Flower-Wearing Happy People? Somebody has to organize things, and I don't see a whole lot of viable alternatives. The ITU/UN would be a thousand times worse than even the most depraved US government, as anyone who has worked with the International Technology Obstruction Organizations would readily attest.
It's a bummer that the US has messed this up so bad, but all this tells us is that we need to be getting on the US government's case to learn the realities of the technology and do a better job.
Nope, this is an example of the opposite: That the United States quite often gets to do what it wants, just because it wants to, regardless of whether or not it's a good idea.
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
granted by the government...
Whose government?
Theoretically, .com and .org are universal and beyond national governments. Certainly you cannot predict from what country a domain originates when it is .com. Does anyone else remember the .us domain?
The US government snarfed the .mil and .gov domains when the Internet was still ARPANET, and they are not going to give them up, but it still seems to think that the entire Internet is its property, to manage or dispose of as it wishes.
It shouldn't need saying, but the United States is not the only country in the world. Its goverment is not the only government. Its goals are not the only goals.
Just maybe one or two people who are not United Statesians are getting a little upset that the US seems to treat the entire world as its private fief. This is just another example.
Sorry. I'll shut up now.
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