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Thief of Time
As always, attempting to explain the plot behind a Prachett novel is ... difficult. Lemme do the best I can: In Discworld, where the series takes place, Time is a resource that is managed by the Monks of History. They store, divvy it out and generally make it so that the world has enough time. However, outside forces are trying to stop Time, by constructing the Discworld's most perfect clock -- if the clock starts ticking, then the world will stop.
Our heroes include one of the preeminent cleaners from the Monks of History, his young "grasshopper," Susan, the Granddaughter of Death, oh, and the fifth member of the 4 Horsemen. And I nearly forgot the Son of Time. Or Sons. Or something like that. Yes, it's a Prachett novel at it's best. Also make regular appearances are series perennials DEATH and DEATH OF MICE. Personally, I've never been a huge fan of DEATH OF MICE, but I do find DEATH to be one of the best characters.
Plot of this particular book aside, here's the lowdown on the Discworld series -- it's satire. Yes, Virginia, even in this day and age of heavy cyncism, there's still good authors writing satire. In the past, the Discworld series has dealth with such fun issues as freedom of the press, gender relations, international relations, the telephone/telegraph/internet and role of government. The thing that's fun about the Discworld series is that Prachett's usually right on, at least from my point of view. Thief of Time is a look at that resource that everyone in our day and age claims to have not enough of, and is scrambling around for. While Prachett's satirical devices can be a bit cutesy at time -- some of the Monks of History parts, in particular, I thought were a bit over the top -- the underlying point is still the same: people create the sense of time deprivation around us. We are the ones responsible for making ourselves feel like we don't have time.
Beyond just our own interactions with time, the main anatognists in the book, the people behind the scenes, also have a serious issue with human life and all that entails. In dealing with them in the book, I get the feeling that Prachett is trying to tell us to wake up and smell the morning coffee. Being human is pretty darn cool, and we should appreciate all the crazy stuff that's around us, and enjoy life.
The Discworld series is not written for those with a dour sense of life or themselves. This, and the other books in the series are easy reads, and don't take long to go through -- but you are almost always guaranteed to laugh out loud at least several times. And somehow, despite the humour, he still manages to make a point about life, and lampoon what's around us. And hopefully the next book will have Captain Carrot.
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...when "Thief of Time" came out. As a potential journalist, I loved "The Truth"!
Also, did anyone reading "Thief of Time" get the theme song to Bard's Tale III: Thief of Fate stuck in their head? I did... "dum-dum-dum *dum-dum-dum!* dum-dum-dum..."
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> Initially, these books were a parody of "Conan the Barbarian"-style fantasy
Among other styles - there's a bit very like the Lankhmar books, and another Pern-like bit. But yes, anyone who picks up one of the first two and decides its ok but a bit lightweight ought to try a later one before rejecting them.
> the "Mandala" is clearly derived from the Mandelbrot set
Maybe. But it's also derived from a mandala.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?mandala
"1 : a Hindu or Buddhist graphic symbol of the universe"
> Death is a fun character, but he lacks personality by his very nature.
That's not entirely true - there's quite a bit about how the anthropomorphic personifications do pick up personalities because they are anthropomorphic.
Death says (or thinks) at one point that it's a good thing _he_ hasn't ever changed, but that doesn't mean it's true.
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That was not written by Douglas. It was written as an article for h2g2.com by a guy using the nickname Orinoco, and he admitted some of it was inspired by Terry Pratchett's writing. I know this because I edited the article before it went live on h2g2.
The original is here.
If I was really wired and used IMAP for my email, I'd be able to include the text of the email DNA sent round the office saying something like "Who wrote this? It's funny, but it wasn't me, and people think it was."
But I'm not and I don't, so I can't.
But it's true.
Sorry.
Tim
I'm still waiting for Pratchett to pair off Susan with Ponder Stibbons. Imagine it: the ultimate geek/goth thing...
Damn, watch the spoilers! My advice to anyone who hasn't read ToT yet is to not read the above review... or the rest of this comment.
"And I nearly forgot the Son of Time. Or Sons. Or something like that." - you just gave away the most carefully-kept secret in the whole book! First off it's not even revealed that Time has a son until a long way into the book, and even after that, Pterry is VERY careful to avoid hinting at plurals until Lobsang is actually about to meet Jeremy: "He's your brother" is the very first time we find this out, and up until that point one of the major items of suspense is *which* of the two actually is Time's son. Nicely spoilt, without any warning whatsoever.
I'm pretty sure that the fact that the clock will stop time is also not given away until later in the book, and I'm not entirely sure about the Fifth Horseman either.
I'm just glad that I'd read the book before I read this review, or I'd be mighty pissed off.
Stuart.
Well. To quote a reliable source (and to stick a header on this because /. won't let me post all-caps and is ruining the gag:
THERE IS NO JUSTICE. THERE'S JUST ME.
Another damned comic
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On Amazon.co.uk pricing: I don't know that I've found the shipping to be "a bugger" at all. Seems every time I've ordered, the shipping has been pretty much swallowed up by the exchange rate. Sure, I end up paying the equivalent of US cover price instead of the "standard" 30% discount from Borders or Amazon US, but cover price for a good cover is easily worth it even if you aren't a raving loony. At least that's what the voices keep telling me.
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I am sad to see Mr. Adams gone too, but his handful of books were largely rushed at the end. In particular I wanted to throw the last Dirk Gently book out a nearby window when I got to the end and it tied up a mystery in 3 pages without bothering to tell ME clearly what the solution was (I'm not dense, if it was obvious to anyone I have no clue how). He had a great sense of a scene and humor, but not of novel writing.
Pratchett, on the other hand, knows how to plot a book. Beginning/Middle/End, tension/release, etc. He does an excellent job. Sometimes his plots or characters end up a bit thin, but I can only think of one or two of the 26 Discworld books that I felt I had to *work* at reading, and the vast majority of them have been complete joys to read.
Bottom line: it's quality, not quantity, that counts, and Pratchett manages excellent quality, in many cases surpassing any of Adams' work.
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Have you read any Pratchett? No one who calls him a hack could have. As far as I'm concerned he's become a better writer than Adams. (This is no slam to Adams whose last novels were nothing short of brilliant). But Terry Pratchett manages to spoof everything under the sun and still tells a great story. Furthermore, as silly and improbable as the Discworld is, it is the most well-fleshed out and consistent world since Middle-Earth. There may be about 26 Discworld books (who can keep count), but they could really be thought of a 4 separate series, and they are as good now as ever:
1. The Watch Books: Vimes, Carrot, Nobby, et al, usually more urban-centric with murder mysteries and politics.
2. Rincewind and the Wizards. OK, Rincewind might be just a leetle derivative of Artur Dent, but his adventures with TwoFlower are a lot of fun. Also, the other wizards are hilarious... Pratchett has nailed every elite group of pompous men (*cough*Slashdot*cough) in their portrayal.
3. Granny Weatherwax, Nanny Ogg, Magrat, Agnes, et al. The Lancre Witches are some of the most interesting and well-developed characters in any series I've read, especially Granny.
4. All the other books. There's Death, Mort, Susan Sto Helit, Pteppic, Gaspode, C.M.O.T. Dibbler and plenty of other characters that aren't directly related to the other three groups.
Of course, members of more than one of these groups always show up in any book, but's great to see the characters evolve, interact in different permutations, and watch Discworld blossom as a razor-sharp parody of our own crazy world.
If that's the work of a hack then I should win a Nobel Prize.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
That's fast! Seems I just read The Truth a few weeks ago...
Well, brace yourself since there are going to be a number of discworld releases in short-order, including the first Discworld childrens novel.
Think PTerry has finally got back to the 6 month release schedule he used to maintain.
EZ
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Aside from the title, I can't see any similarities whatsoever between Discworld and Ringworld. They're even different genres - one is science fiction which strives to be at least plausible, and the other is fantasy/humor. Care to elaborate on what similarities you see?
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Basically, in the 20 or so previous DiscWorld books, Pratchett has built a very rich and detailed history through the events of the characters. However, as would happen with almost any author, there are small timeline mistakes and such that creep into the series, which very devout fans love to point out on USENET.
Thief of Time starts with the explanation of an event in the past of the DiscWorld that caused the Timeline to crash (which explains all the little inconsistancies, since it had to be patched back together). Since then, it's been up to the Monks of History not to merely record history as it happens, but to ensure that history continues to happen at all!
Main characters in the book are Lu Tze (a History Monk patterned after Lao Tzu), Susan Sto Helit (Death's grand-daughter), DEATH, Lobsand Ludd (Lu Tze's apprentice), and The Auditors.
Anyone who enjoys the sort of satirical humor that was present in Hitchhiker's Guide should check this out, and then read the rest of Pratchett's work.
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If it's anything like Pyramids, don't stand in my way in the bookshop queue or you'll get run down! :-)
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As far as the internal monologue goes, sometimes this is bcos the character _is_ complex. Carrot for instance appears whiter than white, but certain scenes (killing Cruces, the end of Fifth Elephant) show that good doesn't always mean nice (the classic line of "Pray you never meet a good man. He'll kill you without a word."). And an internal monologue for Granny Weatherwax, who's essentially nasty but knows she has to be good, would be mindbending! IMO, adding any kind of internal monologue to the Patrician was a mistake - he's another character who should just _be_ and you work him out from what he does.
I'm quite a fan, but sometimes the humanist bits get a bit tiring when they're forced down your throat. Reading a few back-to-back, I'm come away on a couple with the distinct feeling of the same theme in different clothes. Maybe Pterry should be forced to re-read his last dozen books every month while he's writing a new one, then he won't be tempted to re-use themes!
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Do a deja news (groups.google.com) search for adams, pratchett, unseen, and you should get an article (the third one on the list when I did it) written by Terry, about his reaction to the news. It ends, "I spent the rest of the day with the sense that the world had faded to grey, and feeling very, very angry."
I felt a dull sense of betrayal by the universe, myself.
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There are some things in the books that suggest Prattchet has read Adam's works. For example if you look into Death's eyes you can see infinity - and it looks blue.
Troll. Terry Pratchett is the best author still alive.
It is not Death of Mice but Death of Rats
(Critical mode)
Um.. I enjoyed the book..
The plot unfortunately jumps about a bit halfway in a slightly distracting manner but otherwise it is a typical pterry Discworld book.
(Perl mode resumed)
Solution: buy your copies from amazon.co.uk instead. The shipping's a bugger, of course, but a Pratchett purist will appreciate the trouble spent.
Thief of Time is the twenty-sixth book in the seemingly neverending Discworld series of books by Terry Pratchett. Initially, these books were a parody of "Conan the Barbarian"-style fantasy, then evolved into satires about pop culture and contemporary politics, and eventually developed a peculiar knack for murder mysteries and cosmic crises of metaphysical proportions. Thief of Time is about one of these crises.
Susan Sto Helit, granddaughter (by adoption) of the anthropomorphic personification Death, has been trying to preserve her sense of humanity ever since she discovered her family history. Previously, in Hogfather, she was a governess; she's now taken the next logical step into elementary school teaching. But Death hasn't forgotten her, nor her usefullness in situations involving the Auditors.
The Auditors are grey, shapeless, nameless beings who have been harassing Death for some time now. Their self-appointed job is to keep things neat and tidy in the universe, and life in all its shapes and forms is exactly the opposite of that--unpredictable, nondeterministic, and full of intangible things like love and hope. They want to do away with it, but can't through direct intervention. And Death likes life, because without it he's out of a job. But he can't directly intervene, either. So he calls on Susan to help out.
This time, the Auditors are attempting to re-create a special clock--one that can measure the "cosmic tick" of the universe and trap Time herself within it. Stop time, and you stop change, preserving the universe in a tidy and calculable form that the Auditors can enjoy. There's even a clockmaker in exile from his Guild, a man by the name of Jeremy, who's uniquely suited to building such a device.
Susan's not the only one trying to find Jeremy before he can build the clock, though. The Monks of History, last seen behind the scenes of Small Gods, have been taking care of time for... well, it doesn't matter how long, shuttling time away from where it's not needed and adding it to where it is, all across the Disc. They were responsible for restoring history the last time a clock like this was built (and broke), and they're determined to keep it from happening again. The trouble is, it's hard to find a clock that can stop time before it's even built, and it's harder to stop it after it's started working....
Thief of Time will delight geeks because of its well-disguised references to chaos theory (the "Mandala" is clearly derived from the Mandelbrot set), quantum mechanics (the "tick of the cosmos" = Planck's constant), and the movie "The Matrix" (the monks can "slice time" to move ultra-fast, and know more wacky-sounding martial arts than an entire Jackie Chan film festival). You don't have to know the references, fortunately, because Pratchett has to explain them in such a way that his own mythology can interact with it. But knowing where his ideas come from makes the book that much more fun.
The book didn't conclude as well as I'd liked, because a few of the minor characters weren't really tied up. But the major characters were all great. Lu Tze, the monk that played the important part in Small Gods, should be a character we'll enjoy seeing again in future books. Susan is spot-on her usual personality, harassing the mortals she's forced to interact with on a daily basis. Death spends some time chasing down his fellow Horsemen. And the Death of Rats is there mainly because (a) he's how Death always contacts Susan, and (b) to make a not-too-subtle "hickory dickory dock" joke halfway through the book.
Susan's first apperance in Soul Music was a bit of a disappointment, but her role here, like in Hogfather previously, is perfectly suited to her. Death is a fun character, but he lacks personality by his very nature. Susan acting on his behalf is much more enjoyable. More books with her will be welcome in the Pratchett audience, and this one's worth the purchase.
If anyone's looking for a good introduction to Pratchett, and is too lazy to read a 200 page book, check out this Wyrd Sisters video. This mini-series captures Pratchett's style very well (it has DEATH). Definately worth a look.
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"THE DEATH OF RATS", not "THE DEATH OF MICE"? Any you call yourself a Pratchett fan. On an unrelated note, I was sad to read in the Douglas Adams interview that he had never read Pratchett. I wonder if Pratchett ever read Adams? I bet he has.
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I see the Statesider covers occasionally in used bookstores and wonder where people are getting them, since all the fresh ones have always been Kirbys.
Ordering Canadian should be really cheap, considering our drowning dollar and the fact that Corgi Canada now prints the paperbacks, reducing cover price (we used to get pbs from the UK, too).
I'll recommend White Dwarf Books (never mail-ordered from them, but they're in Vancouver and I've bought from the store) and Nebula Books in Montreal (haven't ordered from them either, but emailed an inquiry once and got prompt, polite response), they've an entire page devoted to Pratchett, with cover gallery. Hope this helps.
Chapters alternate: One chapter has Rincewind and the other wizards tinkering with an experiment gone wrong that's turned in to an explorable solar system, the next has a real world science explanation of the concepts. There's just something about mixing in Discworld ridiculousness that makes the science more memorable.
The beloved Hex also turns up (Obligatory /. comment: Gee, imagine if I had a Hex cluster!), with it gaining insights in to the future. As a result it starts getting messages along the lines of "Make money fast!" "Send $1 to each of these five people and you'll make $millions" etc. I guess some things never change then.
Title: The Science Of Discworld.
Authors: Terry Pratchett, Lian Stewart & Jack Cohen
ISBN: 0 09 187477 7
Publisher: EBURY PRESS Pages: 368
One more for the shopping list.
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He did plan to return to the series at some point, but if that meant another book like Mostly Harmless, I'd rather he pursued projects he felt less obligated to do.
One can only imagine the pressure upon Harper Lee, to write a sequel to To Kill A Mockingbird. Small reason she has chosen to live a quiet life, away from the clammoring masses. Terry obviously enjoys writing, as there's plenty of humor and stories move along pretty well. Although, I do feel in the waning pages of each book (I've read about 12 consecutively, now) that they're a bit dry at the end and he may be making some point. Still, lots of fun to read, and Death and Death of Rats (yeah, i got it wrong in a prev. post, mind on code, not on reading) are humourous personifications as many are in Discworld.
Ford was about the only funny character in DNA's books, Zaphod was a jerk, Arthur was a bore, and Marvin was a bit fun, but that's about it. I liked the HH series for where it took my imagination and for that I'm still grateful. Otherwise, I'd probably be rejecting story submissions on /.
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Hmm. Don't suppose the dog could be Gaspode...
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I can just see Bill harvesting wheat stalks, one at a time... :-)
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The troll reached for his keyboard, as he had a thousand times before, but something was different as his hands passed right through the letters f-r-i-s-t-p-s-o-t. He tried again and then noticed the head leaning off to one side. SQUEAK!
"Um, d00d, y3r a r4t!"
IKK IKK IKK SQUEAK!
"Uh, wh0's t00, bu5y t0 b3 h3r3?"
SQUEAK SQUEAK IKK EEK!
"N0 way! I d1dn't th1nk j00 c0uld d13 fr0m n3g m0d p01nt5!"
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In Momo, a small girl and her turtle stop the time thieves who hoard people's time in their grey vaults and smoke it in their cigars...and so on...
Satire? Hm. Okay, a very friendly suburban version of satire, nothing hurtful or mean. No slashdot trolls anywhere...
For satire, I really prefer Robert Rankin - 'Armageddon, the Musical' or 'A Dog Called Demolition' or 'Sex and Drugs and Sausage Rolls.' More in the vein of Monty Python.
It's certainly a lot more like 'Pyraminds' than any of the other Pratchet books, both in plot, tone, and style. You remember that Djelibebe (sp?)spent the last third of Pyramids in 'folded' space in between Tsort and Ephebe? A lot of 'Theif' takes place after the Glass Clock starts ticking.
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...In my opinion at least. While the emphasis is still on parody and satire, 'Theif' harkens back to some of the earlier pratchet books, 'Light Fantastic' and 'Pyramids' in particular, in that it doesn't focus on the parody as much as the story and characterization. Compare this to 'Soul Music' and 'Hogfather', which were mostly parody, with a little bit of plot thrown in.
The characters, while many of them appeared in previous books, are all quite nicely fleshed out in this one. Susan was flat in 'Soul Music' and at best a cardboard cutout in 'Hogfather', but she really takes on quite a bit of depth in this one. Other characters, most notably Lady LeJean, are entertaining to read and are not jokey as much as they are dynamic. Lu Tze is a little over the top and Jeffery and Lobsang didn't nearly get the time they deserved, however.
This is probably because Pratchet has a bad habit of not giving equal dialogue or internal monologue to some of his characters. For example, Sam Vimes internal monologue will comprise a good fifth of any given watch book, and Angua will get quite a bit too. Carrot Ironfoundersson's internal monologue, like Lobsang and Jeffery's is never indicated, and their thoughts are *only* shown by their actions and dialogue. This would be okay if Pratchett did this consistently with all or just one of his characters.
All in all, 'Theif' is probably the best book Pratchet has written since 'Small Gods'. I would reccomend it for new and experienced Pratchett readers.
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After yesterday's debacle, I expected this review to be about how poor the binding was or how the reviewer's book light would not clip on to this book, and thus why this is the worst book ever.
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