Slashdot Mirror
AMD 760MP Reviews Galore
Keith Whitsitt writes: "Well the NDA seems to be up on AMD's 760MP chipset, and several hardware sites have a review up. So far Anandtech, 2CPU, SimHQ, and Accelnation all have reviews up of this beast. It sure does look like the 760MP has shaped up to be all we expected it to be and more." Time-on-target hype.
Let's see... car payment, or dual Athlons (which are $250 each...)
- A.P.
--
Forget Napster. Why not really break the law?
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
What ever happened to Micron's SMP Athlon chipset, the one with the 8MB L3 cache on the chipset die? A flury of coverage a while back, and then nothing (I've looked).
Plato seems wrong to me today
Your little "summary" seems to imply that *all* of the above tests are somehow included in the overall system performance. They are not. The overall system performance links to the SYSMark test which has nothing to do with any of the above tests. It is correct that Xeon does better on SYSMark because of Content Creation part of this benchmark (probably because of SSE optimizations and/or greater bandwidth of Rambus). But it is misleading to imply that 2 Athlon are slower than 2 Xeons overall. In fact, the benchmarks show the opposite picture.
___
___
If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
That said, it's still a pain that you have to have a new PS for the MB.
--
That said, I'm glad to see extra competition in the marketplace; CPU power has ramped up considerably since the Athlon debued and gave Intel a scare.
Also, I'll probably end up buying a 760MP fairly soon :)
--
Yabbut yer building a server when you buy one of these mobos. So you're gonna be willing to pay some coin for a big, reliable power supply -- or, probably, two of 'em, so you have redundancy.
Hardware like this, you don't cheap out on the components!
--
--
Don't like it? Respond with words, not karma.
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy awarded AMD an ENERGY STAR® Certificate of Recognition for its energy-efficient processors, including the AMD Athlon MP processor. These processors help manufacturers meet stringent ENERGY STAR specifications for a variety of appliances, equipment and other products. Products with the ENERGY STAR label are designed to use less energy, save money and help protect the environment."
From the pressrelase.
It's called new wave but it's just the same.
Sure, the BP6 was for Celerons, but it was a major hit amongst hardcore overclockers and hardware junkies.
What would you say that the odds are that Abit has a "BP6" in development for the Palimino chips?
Personally I would say that it is very good. Sure, it won't have the on board SCSI, or LAN or Video etc... It won't cost as much however, and knowing the softbios features of Abit, it will be very overclockable.
In all honesty I have heard of NOTHING about a dual AMD board from Abit, but I would put money on one being in the wings.
If a "BP6" for the Palimino comes out, you can be certain that it will be the board to have. Here is hoping...
(Has anyone heard anything about dual AMD boards from other manufacturers other than Tyan?)
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
This box is an Athlon TBird-800, with an Abit KT7-RAID mobo (VIA KT133 chipset), and the only problem I have is an occasional hardlock on startup (not more than once every 15 boots)
Other hardware: GF2 GTS, SBLive!. Busmastering PCI works fine, and IDE...no problems, except for the shoddy WD drive that I'm replacing as soon as possible.
(Yes, this box runs windows. Just a disclaimer)
-- Veni, vidi, dormivi
I'm using the machine to power my arcade machine/emulator bit .. and ArcadeOS (and the emulators themselves) are really picky about sound cards, the one that seems to work best is an old ISA SB16. When I've tried it on a shared slot, I get crackles and hisses, etc, and I've tried all sorts of configurations to resolve the conflict, and nothing has worked.
BilldaCat
I don't know about the Samurai, but
Micron Mamba chipset (North Bridge only) for the AMD platform is expected to be released in Q3. In addition to DDR SDRAM support, Mamba will also feature 8Mb of L3 cache on the chipset die. The L3 cache will have a sustainable memory bandwidth of 9.6GB/s.
Micron Scimitar chipset for the AMD platform is expected to be released in July. Scimitar is expected to feature a Mamba core with integrated on-die Rendition graphics.
copied word for word from mikeshardware.co.uk (an awesome site for not so publicized chipset/tech news)
You point out why it's always good to root for and support the underdog no matter who it is. If one day AMD becomes dominant then we should help out intel.
Monopolies are bad for the consumer.
War is necrophilia.
The Tyan is a more expensive board, but ~$200 boards are coming using the AMD760MP (or 760MPX) chipset.
The MPX is the same as the MP, but does 64-bit PCI at 66MHz, not 64-bit PCI at 33MHz.
I just want the good stuff from nForce with the good stuff from the 760MPX put together in one great chipset.
I'm not so sure about that. For a high end workstation, you would usually be correct, but this chipset is being touted for servers.
It would not be at all uncommon for a database server to have a couple of the latest SCSI 320 cards running a farm of 15KRPM drives or external RAID chassis. It doesn't take that many of them to saturate a PCI66 I/O channel. Aside from that, you don't want saturated channels on a database server -- you want your I/Os scattered evenly in order to maximize parallelism.
I'm guessing that 760MP boxen will be relatively competitive with some of the 2/4 way systems from Dell, IBM, et. al., but that is relatively low end competition. To really compete as a server, the systems will have to be configured with:
That said, I'm certainly looking into a box for home use. I don't need 5-9 reliability, so I'm just going to be waiting for sane prices...
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Ace's Hardware posted what I feel is the best review yet of the 760MP. Instead of benching games and business apps, they go for the true workstation-class pieces of software. Caligari TrueSpace, Maya, 3DStudio MAX, SPEC APC, Microstation and Visual C++. They also do a bit of video editing and encoding. But on top of the benchmarks, they also go into detail on the architecture behind the 760MP. They look at how AMD's use of point to point topology is better than Intel's use of a shared bus topology. There's a lot more stuff there, but in regards to space, I'll ley you all find out for yourself.
SYSOP ('sih-sop) n.: the guy laughing at your typing.
It is at that point I see Alpha systems with dual 256bit busses and get a little jealous...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I think we should all support AMD products because they show the world that the underdog can suceed. AMD was, only 3 years ago, considered a little player in the CPU market. They had a K-6 CPU that the P-II was killing and Intel triedto squease them (and Cyrix) out of the business with a new slot for CPU's. Intel (like most LARGE companies) didnt think anyone would be upset that an upgrade to there product meant a complete rebuildof the system (MB, RAM, CPU). AMD kept going with the support of a few chipset manufacturers and brought socket 7 all the way to 550 MHz. They won customers that way and when the technology needed it, they had those customers buy there new line of CPU's. AMD is still gaining market share with the Duron and K-7 and I hope that they do just as well in the server market, although I think that will be a tougher fight than the desktop was. A company like AMD gives me hope that Linux (and all GNU software) will be able to someday take the desktop from another HUGE company.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people in the world?"
Yeah, me too! I mean, it seems like such an obvious fit--nForce has dual-DDR 4.2 GBps goodness, and an AthlonMP needs 2.1 GBps maximum. 4.2/2.1 = 2! Heh. On second thought, it's not quite so perfect, since some bandwidth for I/O and graphics is good to have. Um, Nvidia, could you add another 2.1 GBps to that? Thank you. ;^)
main(O){10<putchar(4^--O?77-(15&5128 >>4*O):10)&&main(2+O);}
After spending yesterday reading about all the good stuff Nvidia has crammed into the nForce, including the nice 800 MBps "HyperTransport" link between their versions of the north and south bridges, I threw myself over these long-awaited 760MP exposes, to see what AMD use. I'm more than a little surprised (and disappointed) to find that they went with the "good-old" PCI interconnect, limited to a measly 266 MBps (if it's 64-bit). The weirdness increases when you realise that Nvidia didn't actually develop HyperTransport themselves--it's licensed from (wait for it) AMD!
I guess the reason is that HyperTransport is too recent a development for AMD to include it in the 760MP, which has been under development and testing for like two years, but still... It's a shame. It seems that even the upcoming "mainstream" SMP chipset, the 760MPX, won't include HyperTransport.
main(O){10<putchar(4^--O?77-(15&5128 >>4*O):10)&&main(2+O);}
You have to factor in the CPU prices.
From PriceWatch:
TYAN DUAL AMD $565
(includes onboard video, lan, scsi)
Duron 900Mhz $64 X 2
Total $689
TYAN DUAL PIII $222
(includes onboard video, lan)
PIII 1Ghz $184 X 2
Adaptec 3950 SCSI $129
Total $719
In early benchmarks, the Duron 900mhz is comparable to the 1Ghz PIII.
Tyan is only painful if you have zero use for SCSI. (everyone needs LAN, and onboard video is just an cheap annoyance).
(of course the flaw in this argument is RAM prices, but if you buy namebrand stuff, it turns out the registered isn't so much more)
This is great, first AMD attacked Intel w/ a rival to it's PIII, the Athlon, then w/ the Duron vs. Celeron, which gave them major exposure in the desktop pc market, and now, w/ dual processor support, they are attacking the "big money" market, that of servers. I'm sure I speak for many here when i say, 'way to go AMD!'. They really deserve the credit. I for one will be switching our servers from dual PIII servers to dual athlons.
E.
-
-
This Post has been brought to you by the letter "E".
Did you catch the thing about non-standard pinouts on the power connectors?
BLAST IT!
As the owner of two Tyan (mid Rev4 Tomcat I, later Trinity 1590S) boards, they really $%^& this one up. Non-standard PS2 mouse connectors, non-standard serial port connectors, non-standard USB connectors.
With these connectors it's not too bad, because the Tyan-pinout ones aren't much more, or it's not difficult to modify a standard one. But to mess up on the power supply connector...
I still haven't been able to get DMA running on the 1590S, on either stock Redhat kernels or using the Jumbo IDE patch. At some level, others have their MVP3's running DMA.
I have been pleased with the stability of Tyan boards, but between connector issues and the DMA troubles I've been having, it no longer feels safe as a 'default' decision.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
... time to break those piggybanks
Why haven't anyone tested the motherboard (with all its features) under Linux?
They have a cursory look at Linux on page 17 of the Anand article. Not as much info as you'd like, but enough to reckon they have it working on the Mobo with little problem
Special Relativity: The person in the other queue thinks yours is moving faster.
rr
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
- Database Server Performance: 17.6% Faster
- 3D Rendering Performance: 14% Faster
- Image Editting Performance: 6.1% Faster
- Workstation Performance (Overall): 22.1% Faster*
- Linux Performance (Total): 12% Faster
- IT/Constant Computing Performance (Average): 17% Faster
- Overall System Performance: 8.6% Slower**
* - The Xeons did outperform the Athlons on the Photoshop 4 portion of the workstation performace scores by 11.4%.** - The Overall System Performance numbers ended up that way due to the Xeons' 20% advantage over the Athlons on the Internet Content Creation benchmarks and the basically even performance on the Office Productivity benchmarks.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc