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Legal Challenge to FBI's Keystroke Sniffing

Factomatic writes: The "Associated Press is reporting that lawyers for" an alleged "Mafia boss who used PGP will argue on Mon. Jul. 30 that keystroke logging is an illegal wiretap after the FBI bugged his computer to get his password to decrypt his files. The case has major implications for privacy rights and other electronic surveillance techniques like Carnivore. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has put the case documents online." Meanwhile, a spending bill proposes a $7 million increase in the FBI's budget for defeating encryption (and stego).

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  1. Re:they DIDN'T have a judge's approval! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5
    So before people start flapping their mouths bout how this mafia probably got what he deserved, the agents didn't have a court order to do this.

    They had a search warrant. The distinctin is a technical one, as they indicate that the "bug" did not transmit anything. It doesn't heed to usual wiretapping SOP, as it was placed on the PC in one warranted search, and the data was picked up at another. As such, the agents did not have the ability to choose not to intercept unrelated data, as they would in a standard wiretap (they have to cease listening after 1 minute if there is nothing relevant to the case said, and wait 1 hour before resuming listening, or something like that). Maybe it's easier to think about it like this: what if the FBI got a warrant, broke in while he wasn't there, stole the key to his safety deposit box, made a copy of it, and replaced it without him knowing. It's just different in that they had to come back later to pick up the copy of the key. They aren't relying on any communications intercepted by the key-capture to make their case, only his password, like his safety-deposit box key.

  2. Re:they DIDN'T have a judge's approval! by unitron · · Score: 4
    The really strange thing here is that they had enough to get a search warrant (during the execution of which they allegedly placed a hardware or software bug in the guy's computer) but either didn't have enough to obtain an authorization for a wiretap (in which case one wonders how they had enough for a search warrant) or they just decided not to bother.

    You don't have to be in favor of the existance of the mafia to be bothered by this.

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  3. Re:they DIDN'T have a judge's approval! by ethereal · · Score: 5

    But searching someone's safety deposit box would also require a warrant, which would be separate from the warrant to search someone's home. I don't think your analogy is correct.

    There is a distinction between hard copy communications which are physical objects that may be searched with a search warrant, and immaterial communications (electronic or just voice) which are by definition transitory and don't hang around to be searched. IMHO, if he had anything written down they could have taken it when they searched, but leaving a device which effectively converts a transitory communication (password keystrokes) into a permanent piece of evidence (keystrokes stored in a bug) is effectively a wiretap, rather than a search of physical property that the mafioso already had. The agents had to do something to convert his communications into physical form so they could take it with a search, and in doing so they stepped over the line into wiretap land.

    Your argument has ludicrous consequences, because you could use it to do essentially any wiretap with just a search warrant - just place miniature voice recorders in all the phones, wait a week, come back again and harvest the tapes, and see what you got. I don't think that's consistent with the spirit of the law, which expects law enforcement to get a separate wiretap warrant for intercepting communications.

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  4. Re:Good and bad aspects by Steve+B · · Score: 5
    One thing which stands out about this is that the FBI guys didn't get a wiretap order. This is obviously not a good thing. IIRC, they got a search warrant, and assummed (wrongly IMHO) that the warrant included the right to search his computer

    There's a reasonable case that a search warrant for documents includes a search of the current contents of the target's computer. However, the keystroke sniffer, placed for the purpose of making it possible to monitor future communications, clearly falls into the "wiretap" category rather than the "search" category.

    (The reason the two are different, and the latter requires a higher standard, is that a search can be executed in the presence of the suspect. This serves as a deterrent against illegal expansion of the search into a fishing expedition. Wiretaps, obviously, cannot be known to the suspect until after the fact, which makes them more open to abuse.)
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  5. The FBI will use this to fight encryption by alteridem · · Score: 5
    This guy will probably have his case thrown out of court because agents, without a wiretap order, recorded a suspect's computer keystrokes which the FBI will then spin to make their point that common citizens should not have strong encryption. They will then push for one legal encryption scheme that they have a backdoor password to (deja-vu anyone?)

    This falls perfectly into the government's propoganda that only criminals use encryption. Why is it that more of us don't use PGP for all of our emails? I would happily use it if any of my friends actually had public keys. We can't fight these fights unless we all pull together.

  6. they DIDN'T have a judge's approval! by Coolfish · · Score: 5

    From the article: agents, without a wiretap order, recorded a suspect's computer keystrokes.

    So before people start flapping their mouths bout how this mafia probably got what he deserved, the agents didn't have a court order to do this. Think about it. If FBI agents have enough "probably cause" and figure they should tap your computer cause you're under suspicision of doing something illegal, and they don't even have to go see a judge to approve it, then your privacy and civil rights have gone right out the window.

    1. Re:they DIDN'T have a judge's approval! by unicaller · · Score: 4

      The court order, however, did authorize the FBI to "install and leave behind software, firmware, and/or hardware equipment which will monitor the inputted data entered on Nicodemo S. Scarfo's computer by recording the key-related information as they are entered." from http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/12/04/ front_page/JMOB04.htm

  7. Re:So simple its scary by Greyfox · · Score: 4

    Compromising the passphrase is always easier. I'm sure that you could extract the passphrase from just about anyone given a couple of hours and a pair of needle nosed pliers. It's pretty easy to ignore those inconvienent laws against that sort of thing, too, especially if your suspect is thought to be a domestic terrorist or a copyright infringer.

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  8. Re:methods for keystroke logging? by mikeee · · Score: 4
  9. Police moral decay? by Sara+Chan · · Score: 4
    This weeks edition of The Economist has several stories surveying illegal drugs. The story relevant here is the one on Collateral Damage, which begins
    The most conspicuous victim of the war on drugs has been justice, especially in America, ...

    The attack on drugs has led to an erosion of civil liberties and an encroachment of the state that alarms liberals on America's right as well as the old hippies of the left. At the Cato Institute, a right-wing think-tank in Washington, DC, Timothy Lynch is dismayed by the way the war on drugs seems to be corrupting police forces. ...

    Civil liberties ... suffer because there is usually no complaining witness in a drugs case: both buyer and seller want the transaction to take place. The police, says Mr Lynch, therefore need to rely on informants, wire-taps and undercover tactics that are not normally used in other crimes. The result is "a cancer in our courtrooms", as he puts it, that proponents of America's drugs war rarely acknowledge as one of the costs of prohibition.

    Gradually, the police get accustomed to using these "undercover tactics" even when doing so violates civil liberties. And then they use those tactics in more and more investigations, whether it is legal to do so or not--like (perhaps) keystroke sniffing. And of course, they claim that the end result justifies the means. Clearly, Justice is the loser.

    I'm not sure that I agree with all this, but it's an interesting perspective.

  10. Sad day by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 5
    It's a sad day when the Gov't throws you in jail for breaking the encryption that "protects" a copyrighted work, but openly funds and encourages the development of technolgies that violate the privacy of it's Citizens.

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  11. Re:Good by mikethegeek · · Score: 4

    "This particular event needs to be punished, and unfortunately in this case it means a guilty person goes free."

    Don't hold your breath. The FBI has a long and distinguished history of breaking the law, and I've yet to see a FBI agent be punished for what they've done, unless it's spying.

    FBI agent Lou Horouchi participated in a cold blooded murder, that of Vicki Weaver and her baby, yet wasn't even prosecuted. In fact, he and his fellow jackboots got awards and promotions. Hell, the FBI jackboot who is persecuting Sklyarov is up to become HEAD of the FBI!

    Which is why we need the courts to defend the Constitution. While I'm all for putting mobsters away, the ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. To advocate that is to advocate lawlessness and anarchy.

    The only way the FBI will stop violating the Constitution is to lose cases against people they violate.

    This is why under US law, evidence obtained illegally is NOT evidence in the eye of the courts, this is ultimately the ONLY check and balance that will provide incentive for law enforcement to obey the law.

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  12. Tech-savvy Feds by Compulawyer · · Score: 4
    Like it or not, the Feds are probably the most tech-savvy of all the world's law enforcement agencies. Also, with propoer procedures, including obtaining a search warrant, most of these procedures are legal.

    You should be aware though that the US Supreme Court appears to be taking the issue of high tech's effects on privacy very seriously. In Kyllo v. United States, 121 S. Ct. 2038 (2001) (available on LexisOne - free registration required) the USSC held that the police's use of a thermal imaging unit to detect the use of heat lamps to grow marijuana inside the defendant's home violated the 4th Amendment's prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures.

    I predict that the USSC will continue to take privacy matters very seriously as technology progresses.

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  13. They can sniff all they want... by infinite9 · · Score: 4

    They can sniff my keyboard all they want. Although I don't know why they'd want to. I mean, it just smells like pizza and jergens lotion.

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