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Why Nobody Likes E-Books

CybrGuyRSB writes: "In today's Chicago Tribune, there is an interesting article about the total unpopularity of e-books. It seems to partly tie their failure into their copyright protection and briefly discusses the Skylarov case."

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  1. Re:This is stupid. (Not really) by SydBarrett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "You could download a whole book series from Gnutella in a matter of SECONDS, text would fly through the electronic ether faster than music ever did."

    It's already happened. Use your fav file sharing tool (or course, you only use it for legal reasons, ha ha ha ha) and search for e-books or ebook. Not enough? Try some ebook websites/ftps. Try alt.binaries.ebook. Lots of stuff there. I COULD (*cough* could I said) get:

    everything Douglas Adams has written
    almost every O'Reilly book
    All the works of Poe and Shakespeare
    Fear and Loathing is Las Vegas
    Steal this Book (by Abbie Hoffman) (heh)
    Army Manuals
    Tons of Lovecraft
    Everything by Stephen King and Clive Barker
    and about 200 compressed MB of other fun stuff.

    Is it legal or right?

    Meh.

    People have been trading ebooks for a long time. Longer than MP3 trading has been around. Who DID'NT get a copy of The Cucoo's Egg from a BBS?What has the impact been?

    Maybe none?

  2. Why I don't want an eBook by pq · · Score: 4, Redundant
    • I can't flip through it.
    • I can't dog-ear it, or use my bookmark collection.
    • Books smell good and feel good (okay, this is nostalgia).
    • Screens hurt my eyes, paper works fine.
    • eBooks run out of power, books don't.
    • eBooks might have access control, books don't.
    • I own a book, not a license to it.
    • Books are cheap - I can forget one at the beach and not lose too much cash on it.
    • I'm unlikely to be mugged for a book, even on the NYC subway.
    • Reading in bed doesn't get in the way of hot sex.
      (Hold on honey, let me unplug my eBoo - bzzzzzzzzt aaaaaagh!)
    • And finally, with a book, no one can take away my right to read.
    What did I miss? :)

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  3. No more stereotypes by The-Pheon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There was one quote that i especially liked in this article.

    "A Russian graduate student named Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested"

    I was happy to see they used the term "graduate student" and not the ever to popular term "hacker" in their article.

  4. Re:well duh by JeffL · · Score: 5, Informative
    the weight of a good book in their hand, and honestly have some kind of tactile fixation with page turning.

    I consider myself someone who reads lots of books, and I completely disagree with this statement. I think the people who say they like the feel of a book in there hand have never tried any type of e-reader. They weight of enough books to last me for a two week trip is not pleasant. I would much rather put a few books on my Palmpilot, which I have with anyways, than carry around an extra few pounds of paper.

    I have been reading books on my Palmpilot for several years now, and I am completely addicted to it. I even have a Palm III with the old low contrast screen, so I would probably like it more if I moved to a V or 500 with a proper display.

    I think people who don't like reading e-books have never tried it. (This is making the assumption that the books these people want to read are available in an usable format. I can completely understand people not wanting to read e-books because they have no interest in 100+ year old stuff from the Gutenberg project or whatever annoying thing the publishers have decided to make available.)

  5. Re:well duh by KelsoLundeen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Add to that this: the "book" as we know it has been around for over 500 years.

    There's a reason for that. In fact, there's many reasons for that. Me, I've got 2000 books in my house. Sure, I've got a 40 gig hard drive, too -- in fact three 40 gig hard drives -- and could easily fit my books on one (probably less than 1) of those hard drives.

    But why? Why would I want to sit and stare at a computer screen or Palm or PocketPC or iPaq or Rocket eBook reader or whatever is the gadget du jour?

    I actually enjoy the physical book -- the paper, the way it smells, the way I can use it, abuse it, tote it, and carry it around. I also like the fact that I won't be arrested if, say, I decide to backwards engineer it -- if I take a peep at the binding, wonder if the leaves are glued, and even spot a couple pages that haven't been cut.

    I can't do that with an eBook. I can't do that because Adobe and Microsoft will make sure I end up in jail. They'll claim that my "crime" is nearly as bad as murder -- more so, in fact, because I'm infringing on their "intellectual property" which, as we all know, is more important than anything else these days.

    Yeah, eBooks rock, all right. Go ebooks. Wonderful.

    And all these "screen reading" software that Microsoft is pioneering? Yeah, it's wonderful. Sit me down in front of a bigass monitor with Microsoft's Reader software. Software, by the way, which hasn't been updated in nearly a year. Software which is slow, buggy as hell, and won't even let me "register" more than twice.

    Oh yeah, ebooks rock all right. Let's see. Don't get me started. How about the one time I decided to purchase an ebook? I filled out all the forms -- nearly had to give my driver's license number -- and then submitted all my credit card information only to -- get this! -- get a 500 Server Error when it came time to issue me the "digital verification" that I then had to "click" on then RESUBMIT just to prove that I'm who I said I was and that my reader was registered.

    Love it! Let's see, now how does that compare with this:

    Live in Ann Arbor (or any good college town with lots of bookstores). Go to Dawn Treader Books (or any good used bookstore piled high with thousands of books). Buy book. Buy another book. Bring book up to counter. Chat with clerk who says, "Hey, if you're into Thomas Pynchon, have you tried Gaddis?" "No," say I. "You recommend him?" "Oh yeah," says clerk who, within seconds, drops a copy of _The Recognitions_ and _JR_ on top of the nicely dog eared copies of _V_ and _Gravity's Rainbow_ that I'd already decided to purchase.

    So exit I do, ambling down Liberty Street (or whatever street in your college town of choice that is lined with your used bookstores of choice) with my newly purchased used books. I can read these books anywhere. I can underline them. I can lend them to my friends. And -- imagine this! -- no matter what I do to these books -- read them, underline them, xerox a few pages from them for a presentation -- the FBI DOES NOT GET INVOLVED!

    Now, compare that with digital books. Compare that with encryption, validation, verification. You tell me which is the better deal for readers?

    Now, don't get me wrong. Maybe ebooks have their uses. You're Pre-Med, say, and can get a semester's worth of ebooks on a CDROM. Maybe that's a good deal. Or you're a law student and can get what you need a couple CDROMS and don't have to scout out estate sales of dead lawyers just so you can build a library of outdated law books. All right, fair enough.

    But for book lovers -- and actual readers -- readers who like to discover an old Modern Library edition of Thackeray that was used by someone in 1941 who dated the book and even stuck a few interesting notes on the margin -- there's nothing to compare with actual, phsyical text.

    My own opinion -- after years of haunting used bookstores and 'Friends of the Library' sales -- is this: that people who claim that ebooks are the best thing to come around since, er, the invention of the book are not readers. They simply don't read. They like to have the books. Or they like to have the electronic versions of books that they've read (I mean, really, how many copies of Joe Haldeman's 'Forever War' or Isaac Asimov's 'Foundation Trilogy' do you really need? If you check out the ebook groups on usenet, these are really the only books traded, posted, and pirated -- Haldeman, Asimov, some Sterling, Gibson (of course), and Heinlein. And the same pirated texts are posted day after day after day after day after day. But that's not the point, is it?)

  6. Publishers shooting selves in foot by jaed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've said this before, but publishers are only hurting themselves with this insane obsession with spending millions on consumer-hostile "protection" schemes.

    Look at Baen Books, which (in addition to dead trees) publishes books in electronic format, which uses good old documented and portable formats such as HTML and RTF with no passwords, encryption, "digital rights management", monitoring, locking the book to a single computer, or other nonsense, and which seems to be the only publusher of e-books that's actually making money at it.

    I don't believe this is a coincidence. It may be time for other publishers to remove their heads from their asses, stop paying buckets of money to the concocters of baroque DRM schemes and various Congresscritters, observe Baen's experience, and learn. Imagine! A company that makes money, not by threatening its customers with legal action and hamstringing them with Evil Code, but by providing them a useful product at a reasonable price that yields a profit!

  7. O'Reilly by DaSyonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When discussing E-Books, we should look at O'Reilly, and how they do E-Books. While true, it's just on a CD-ROM, it still very much applies. Yet O'Reilly doesnt encrypt it in any way. They make it very easy and portable to read the content, and they are successful. Then you look at why. They dont have to force stuff down our throat, or force us into submission, or tell us how we can read the book that we pay for. They just have good informative content, and give it at an acceptable price, and people respect them and buy the product. Now if all E-Books decided to work in this way, they would be much more successful.

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  8. well duh by duncanIdaho.clone() · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who read lots of book, those that would see the greatest benefits of a portable reader, actually love books themselves! They like personal libraries, the weight of a good book in their hand, and honestly have some kind of tactile fixation with page turning. Most everyone but the geeky fifteen year-olds (god bless their hearts) mentioned in an article below are actually trying to get away from the monitor at the end of the day.

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    1. Re:Well duh by SteveM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      10. Cheap. They should cost about the same as a gameboy. I don't want to worry about losing/breaking a several hundred dollar reader. I could deal with losing ~fifty bucks. I may also want several, one for text books and reference works, one for my scifi collection, one for each hobby, etc.

      11. I should be able to back up ebooks. When I loose one of those cheap readers I don't want to be out a thousand books.

      12. I should have remote access to my complete library. This is a result of numbers 3 and 11. If I need a book not currently installed in the reader that is on my back up server I should be able to get it.

      13. A mechanism to share books. Today I can lend a book to a friend. I would want ebooks to have a lend function that gives the lendee access to a book for a predetemined length of time and that is copy protected.

      Steve M

    2. Re:well duh by friscolr · · Score: 5, Informative
      Add to that this: the "book" as we know it has been around for over 500 years.

      Storytelling via word of mouth has been around much longer. When i want to leave work and stop staring at a computer screen then i'll be biking up and down liberty/state/main/s. university street, maybe stopping in Ashley's or Leopold's for a quick pint, seeing who's there, finding out what's new, listening to tales of happenings past and present, meeting new folks and learning from their stories.

      I agree that most people's negative reactions to ebooks are due to their newness - your own examples particularly bring this to light, as well as other's "if they were as convenient" statements. When books first came out you'd have to wait a while for a monk to make a copy for you, or wait for Gutenberg's invention. Give ebooks some time and the rough edges will hopefully get smoothed out appropriately.

      Personally, i wish i had an electronic copy of every book i've ever read (yes, i read too - i'll stop in Old Towne for to sit and read with a pint on occasion) so that i could easily grep out a certain phrase or name or example from the text.

      But i'd also like an electronic copy of every bit of data that passes through me, so the next time i'm at the Fleetwood and someone's telling me about their Seattle WTO experience i could quickly reference it against the newspaper articles and tv news i heard and read. Sure my notebooks handle this functionality too and i wouldn't give up making them for anything, but as i open up my notebook i can't help but think 'grep -i seattle' and wish i could have written down full transcripts of what i heard.

    3. Re:well duh by SteveM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's see if I've got this right ...

      You don't like the current legal environment for intellectual propery, including ebooks. Me neither.

      Of course there have been laws about paper books as well. Copyright was originally granted by the king to let you publish. The church had the list of forbidden books. In the US there are people that want Tom Sawyer and Harry Potter banded from school libraries.

      Of course this has nothing to do with paper books or ebooks in and of themselves. But I could see story tellers arguing that they didn't need permission to tell their tales, so the hell with these new fanged paper things.

      You don't like the current hardware. Me neither. Of course the first 'books' were done in stone (think rosetta stone, an early ASCII to EBCDIC type reference manual). Ok so mabye that is stretching it. But in the same fashion I don't think that computer screens or palm pilots deserve to be called ebooks. As far as I'm concerned the 'e' equivelant of a book hasn't been developed yet.

      You don't like the current software. Me neither. But have you looked at old hand printed books? Yes some are gorgeous, clear text wonderful illustrations. But some are unreadable scribble.

      You don't like poor service. Who does? But the experience of buying an ebook has little to do with the ebook itself. If I visited a book store with surly clerks, badly stocked shelves, damaged books I wouldn't shop there. But this has nothing to do with the books.

      You don't like the current sales infrastructure. No browsing the stacks. No recommendations from clerks or fellow shoppers. I agree with you here. Amazon type user reviews just aren't the same. Is the trade off to be able to find any book ever published, download it, and start reading in minutes versus hours spent driving to the local bookstore and hoping they have it (I know, but I never call first) or days waiting for it to be delivered. I don't know, since we aren't there yet. I do like going to the bookstore. I also like the convenience of shopping on line.

      So if you are arguing that the current state of the ebook leaves much to be desired I wholeheartedly agree. But we part company if you are saying that ebooks will never be as useful as paper books. Don't confuse the potential with the current implementation.

      Of course, ebooks may not pan out. I think they will, but I've been wrong before.

      Steve M

  9. I love reading eBooks... by sacherjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...unfortunately I have to "steal" them. Even though I can buy the paperback for $6, the companies wants me to pay hard cover prices for electronic copies. Forget that. I'll buy the paper back, then download a copy of the book from a newsgroup and iSilo it onto my Visor (which I feel that I have a right to use with my ownership of the paperback). It is great reading a part of a book anytime you have a free moment. With my Visor always with me, I always have 4+ books at my disposal. When I finish a book, I delete it and give the paper back to the library. Wouldn't it be much simpler to sell me the electronic copy for $6?

  10. Economics For Dummies by Steve+B · · Score: 4, Interesting
    But as the stock market drooped and the zeal for all things tech withered last fall, Random House began to hedge its bets. The original low price of $5 for each e-book download was doubled.

    Gee, why didn't some of the other dot.com outfits try doubling their prices? It makes as much sense as their other business models....

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  11. I beg to differ! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is from an email I wrote to a friend of mine who requested some references after I gave him the RenderMan Interface Specification 3.1, avaiable at pixar.com.)


    You asked me where other free references etc could be
    found online.

    Hogan Books has a pretty nice list:


    ftp://hoganbooks.com/weball.zip

    `Numerical Recipes in C/F77/F90'. I think it may be
    included above.


    http://www.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/Numerical_Reci pe s/

    Mostly science books, but has `A Simplified
    Introduction to LaTeX'.


    http://samizdat.mines.edu/


    Of course, the Linux Documentation Project has its
    HOWTOs and mini-HOWTOs and Guides in .ps or .pdf or
    sometimes .dvi format:


    http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/othe r- formats/


    http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini /o ther-formats/


    http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc- pr oject/

    Adobe keeps all of their specs online; the PDF and
    PostScript language references, stuff about TrueType
    and the new Compact Font Format, etc etc.


    http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technote s/ main.html

    `Thinking in PostScript', posted by the author in some
    ridiculous proprietary format, as well as in PDF.


    http://www.rightbrain.com/pages/book-download.sh tm l

    A whole variety of programming books; most seem to be
    available in PDF/PS:


    http://www.free-book.co.uk/computers-internet/pr og ramming/index.htm

    A variety of free online programming references.


    http://www.thefreecountry.com/developercity/onli ne references.shtml

    Online publishing is only dead if you're a publisher.

    -grendel drago

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  12. EBooks are extremely handy, but... by SandSpider · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been reading eBooks since I owned a Newton 100 (The Hacker Crackdown was my first). It's extremely handy, for several reasons:

    1) I can carry around many books in the space of a PDA (currently a Palm);

    2) You can read the book with one hand (get your mind out of the gutter) - I can hold the palm in one hand and turn the pages with my thumb on the scroll button. Sure, it's not much, but that's just that little bit of convenience that paperbacks don't have;

    3) Low light conditions - I can just turn on the backlight, and I have an instant built-in reading light;

    4) It goes where I do - since I keep the Palm with me, it's always right there if I happen to have a few minutes or more free and I didn't think (or feel like) bringing my book.

    However, I have no need of a specialized eBook reader nor Adobe's format. I buy my books and magazines from Palm Digital Media (used to be Peanut Press) at http://www.peanutpress.com/ They have a decent if not overwhelmingly complete selection, they don't overcharge, and everything's quick and easy. I'm not going to give up on paper books any time soon, if ever, but I have easily integrated eBooks into my life.

    =Brian

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  13. Well duh by joshv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is what an e-book reader needs to be to be successful:
    1. Physical dimensions of a closed paperback.
    2. >=200 dpi high contrast display.
    3. Internet/wireless enabled. Should be able to plug in a phone line or ethernet cable, or use 802.11b at the book store to download new content.
    4. E-Books should never 'expire'. I want to be able to re-read a book ten years from now. I can do it with printed books, why not an e-book.
    5. Huge storage capacity - at least 1000 books.
    6. Battery life in the 16 hours range (most people could read two average books in this amount of time).
    7. Should function on it's own. I don't want to HAVE to use a PC to load books onto the damned thing, see #3 above.
    8. Not neccessarily fully voice enabled, but it should be able to listen for something like 'bookmark', 'next page', etc...
    9. The books should cost LESS than normal books. Why? Because it does cost less to make an e-book - you are just shoving bits, instead of printing, binding and distributing. Additionally people need a REASON to switch to E-books, making them cheaper might be a good incentive.

  14. They need to make changes to e-books by JWhitlock · · Score: 4, Funny
    I've looked at e-books, and I don't think they are ready for mass use yet. They need some changes first.

    With paper books, I can look smart by filling a whole bookshelf with stuff I haven't read. With one trip to the used bookstore, I can cheaply purchase a whole 6 feet of classics from the past, and look like a well rounded person. Ebooks need to include some sort of packaging that fills bookshelf space, like the computer game boxes.

    Technical references are too easy to use in a well-implemented electronic format. Why would I want to search text electronically when I could visually scan for it, page by page? There should be three ways to find something - Table of Contents, Index, and post-it-notes. Oh - and you shouldn't be able to click on the index entry to jump to the page, you lazy bastard. Navigate there yourself.

    It's also too easy to correct errors in electronic books. I have fond memories of spending the first day in class fixing the errors introduced in the 11th edition. Errata should be sent on paper, by mail, so you can make the changes by hand. Think what the children are missing!

    One thing that should be implemented is textbooks that change every year, in such a way that they can't be upgraded. This encourages students to keep their textbooks, since they can't sell them to next year's students. My shelf has many inches taken up with important sounding books like "Elements of Style", "Thermodynamics, 3rd Edition", "Calculus Made Easy", and "Learning Programming (with C)", that protects my shelf from getting dusty.

    The best thing about reading the newspaper is the feeling of getting up, throwing on a bathrobe, getting your slippers wet with dew, and retrieving the daily paper from your neighbor's yard. All ebook media should be delivered by throwing it on your lawn, preferably at 5 AM, so that the dogs can tell you the moment it arrives. Or shipped in two weeks, the way Amazon does it. Again, don't forget the packaging - I want evidence that I've been getting the daily paper in my trash.

    Size is also important - how will the folks across from me on the bus know whether I'm reading Dostoyevsky, Hacking Exposed, Playboy, or Harry Potter? The e-book should be huge, so that it requires a backpack, and should include, in a bright red LCD display on the back, what you are reading. The back-pocket is an unreasonale design goal. Weight is also a good thing - you need a counterweight when you are taking a dump.

    Also, current ebooks are a bit too waterproof, and a bit to easy to backup. If I spill a little liquid on the display, I should see the waterspot five years from now. If I lend it to a friend, I want the electronic equivalent of a marked cover and bent spine. Books are a precious thing, and should be fragile, easily transferable, and should age with an old-book smell. Or, just put mold in a aeresol can, I don't care which way you go.

    Are any design engineers listening?

  15. Only the legal E-book business is dying by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take a look at any of the ebook usenet groups one day and you'll see that ebooks aren't dying, rather they are only viable as an underground were people digitize all of the greatest new releases (and older classics, and older not-so-classics) and distribute them in easily read formats. You can get nearly any modern book from these people in plain old text, which you can slap on a Palm or simliar device and read on the bus/train/whereever you want.

    Contrast this with "official" ebooks, where you have to buy an expensive and proprietary reader for your expensive books from exceptionally obscure authors. Worse, these readers have all sorts of annoying "copy protection" built in that makes you a thief for even trying to give your book to a friend (like you can do with regular old paperbacks), and the publisers treat you like the enemy when you buy one of these.

    I think the truth is in the article. Ebooks are the future, unfortunatly that's a future without publishers, so the publishers of today have every incentive to make ebooks look as bad as possible and makes sure that everybody knows that "everyone else prefers the tactile sensation of books over any of those crappy ebook things that you want to stay away from."

    Of course the publishing industry is slow to change, so we probably won't see the publishing industry die anytime soon.

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  16. Re:This is stupid. by well_jung · · Score: 5, Funny
    I couldn't agree more. It's pain not being able to read all the .doc files these strangers have been sending me to review.

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  17. Should be able to buy for whichever format we want by blang · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My idea of utilising the network for distributing literature involves getting the book in print as an option.

    I would like to go into a book store, and ask for any book, which would be printed on demand.

    Or, I would like to go into a book store, transfer my ebook token, for which I paid $4 for to the book store. Then for an additional $3, I would receive a cheap pulp/paperback print copy of the same book. Or I could add $11 for a original printed copy from the publisher/printer, which normally would have cost $15 withot the token.

    30 years after, the print copy would still be functional, while all the other gadgets and content delivery schemes would long since have been obsolete and thrown away.

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