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SONET writes: "Why aren't all laptops made like this? I'm always putting my lappie in my otherwise empty briefcase. Even if it's just Photoshop/GIMP vapor, I really like the idea of a more rugged shell ... and the design is exceptionally clean. I know there are ruggedized laptops for the military and the like, but they really aren't for the average consumer as I envision something like this could be. The page is in Japanese, but the images really speak for themselves." I'm assuming it's just a mockup, the nicer to be proved wrong about ;) For the Exacto knife-and-firesale crowd though, an anonymous reader whispers that "Some guy modded his G4 Cube to have a Propaganda tile mapped inside the case. Looks excellent. That it does.

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  1. Old IBM Laptop by NewbieSpaz · · Score: 2

    A friend of mine once had an IBM 386 that was huge, and rugged as well. That thing was a monster, in that it was barely comparable to today's "laptop." This beast had a keyboard that pulled out and it weighed a ton. It seems to me that most laptop makers are going for smaller, not bigger/more rugged. Getting a bigger laptop seems to be going the wrong direction in their eyes...

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    1. Re:Old IBM Laptop by steemonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A one word solution to your problem that guzzles less gas and is safer and more suitable to on-road conditions:

      Minivan

    2. Re:Old IBM Laptop by FrostedChaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      In my experience, SUVs begin to look very attractive when you decide to take a load of passengers and assorted cargo across a small mountain range with nothing but logging roads to drive on (yes, I've done it, and there was a good reason).

      Jolly good show! Let's mount an expedition at once. Our destination shall be the Quick-E-Mart on the corner. I'm afraid we'll have to bring our heavy gear, as this is darkest suburbia. Bully!

      Ah, yes, and chaps... we'll refill our gas again on the way back to tide us over on the way back.

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  2. Panasonic Toughbook by gUmbi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bah, you call that rugged? Where's the waterproof keyboard and G-force ratings? Besides, a case doesn't protect hard-drives if they're not shock mounted.

    Check out the Panasonic Toughbook.

    1. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by gig · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple shock mounts the hard drives in its portable computers. They are really tough, especially the iBook which is made for schools.

      This guy just used a PowerBook G4 for the look and because he's a Mac user. It's not that the PowerBook wasn't rugged to begin with. Of course, now it looks like it's indestructable.

    2. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by Telek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was working at Panasonic when they were developing that beast. The trials were fun. They didn't really tell us (my group, cuz I was in tech support at the time) much about this book (or at least they didn't tell us that this presentation was going to be about this book), and proceeded to do a normal meeting, brought up a simple powerpoint display and then some sort of movie producing sound as well (think it was a music video or something). Then the guy unplugged the notebook, poured the rest of his coffee on it, threw it on the ground, jumped on it a few times, and then plugged it back in just as the video was finishing and the "panasonic toughbook" logo came on (although I think it was called something different back then, but I can't remember, it was like 6 years or so ago). Made for one hell of an attention getter though.

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    3. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by DHartung · · Score: 2

      Then the guy unplugged the notebook, poured the rest of his coffee on it, threw it on the ground, jumped on it a few times, and then plugged it back in just as the video was finishing and the "panasonic toughbook" logo came on

      Yeah ... I remember the day we had some GRiD computer salesmen stop by. (We already had GRiDs, they were selling us newer models.) Standing by the demo unit on a conference table, I gingerly opened its case, the way you normally should handle a laptop screen... especially one that doesn't belong to you yet. One of the sales guys snickered at me, grabbed it away, slammed the cover down, picked it up, and dropped it from a foot over the conference table. Wham! He flipped the top open and everything was running fine.

      Our sales force loved those GRiDs. And they weren't astronomically expensive, either.

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    4. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by sg3000 · · Score: 2

      > Actually he used an iBook.

      Agreed. It's clearly a former iBook. The PowerBook G4 Titanium has black keys on the keyboard, while the iBook (previous and future version) has white keys.

      Additionally, extracting a PowerBook G4 from its titanium enclosure with wide-aspect screen and sticking it in an aluminum suitcase with a regular screen would be a crime against nature.

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    5. Re:Panasonic Toughbook by zpengo · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but the important question is, which one's going to appear in the next Mission: Impossible movie?

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  3. It's been done before by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone remember the Osbourne?

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    1. Re:It's been done before by norton_I · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep. You can tell O1 owners because their right arm is slightly longer than their left.

      I still have mine around, somewhere.

    2. Re:It's been done before by BWJones · · Score: 2

      Yeah I remember the Osborne. It was the very first self contained "portable" computer. Portable however, meant that you could carry it in the back seat of your car if you did not have back problems. I remember that it was truly heavy (although I was eleven at the time), but my guess is twenty five pounds or so with a tiny four or five in screen. Most of the ones that I saw were simply used for writing documents with a portable computer that the professors would take home from the university on weekends. Not very practical. I thought they were cool and all but after mowing lawns for a summer, I spent my money on an Apple II+ with 64k of RAM, dual floppies, one of those green phosphor monitors that was announced with the Apple III (dog that it was), and a printer for the same money that Osborne wanted for theirs.

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  4. Very cool by YIAAL · · Score: 2

    Extremely cool. But if they ramp it up to mass production, they'll probably ruin it. Kind of the way they do with those very cool show cars that become lame by the time they hit the market.

  5. why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
    Let's see, you just bought an Apple, where you are admittedly paying a premium for their high quality enclosure (desktop and laptop).

    So the first thing you do is rip it out of it's case into something you built? If you're going to risk destroying a computer, why not start with cheapo x86 hardware instead? You don't even have to buy a case!

    1. Re:why? by piecewise · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why does everyone say you pay a premium with Apple computers? My bro's iBook was $1299 and it's *great*. My own PowerBook Titanium G4 was $2,599. I couldn't find a single laptop for less money that could beat the Ti that I bought. A $599 15" LCD that is the BEST in the industry (even the biased CNET says that).

      I'm not trying to sell Apples here, I'm just saying, I work with them every day, and they're not overpriced, especially considering the greater number of features you get. Come on, even the Sony laptop doesn't have a standard CDRW (or even CD-ROM), you have to add that on.

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    2. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2, Flamebait
      I agree with you, Apple's are great. The iBook in particular is a good value, except for two things:

      1. No PC card slots.

      2. Can't drive an external monitor at high resolution (1024x768). Apple has intentionally crippled this computer and it's a shame.

      As to the TiBook, sorry, it is overpriced. I'll even agree that the G4 is twice as fast as an equivalent x86. That makes it equal to the 800-1ghz range. A Dell with 1600x1200 screen, FireWire, ethernet, and wireless networking can be had in that range for $600 less than the Ti.

    3. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      As to the need for PC card slots...

      They are a way of 'future proofing' your computer. They really can help extend the lifespan of your computer.

      Sure, you have a 10/100 and 56k built in - but what about next year's tech?

      A perfect example would be 802.11b - 3 years ago, no one had heard of it, now it's commonplace. Thanks to PC card slots, you can easily add that technology to your laptop.

      The same goes for USB and Firewire... now they are commonplace, but not on older machines. You can easily add them via PC cards.

      The iBook, 3 or 4 years from now, will be a lot less viable due to Apple's ommission of the PC card slot.

      Finally, I will point out 56k internal modems are standard on almost every PC laptop, and internal 10/100 can be had on many as well (Leaving you with 2 free PC card slots).

    4. Re:why? by Super_Frosty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iBook already has the option of including a wireless networking card, as part of the "air port" system.

      The iBook also has USB and Firewire built in. I don't really know what an iBook would need a PC card slot for.

      It seems to me that the PC card has been used mainly to cope with the inadequacies of PC laptops, such as the lack of 10/100 and 56k. I think that some of the VAIOs still don't have 10/100, or else they need a dongle.

      I'm not so sure that I'll suffer for the lack of a PC card slot. Much more important is the slowed down bus.

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    5. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2

      Like I said, PC card slots can be used for future, not-invented-yet technology. Since the iBook doesn't have them, you're out of luck.

    6. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      Not to mention that the iBook has no PC card slots, whereas each x86 laptop does.

      Without looking more closely at the specs, I'd also bet that the PC card laptops can all drive an external high resolution monitor, which the iBook cannot (it only goes up to 1024x768) since Apple broke the video out on purpose.

    7. Re:why? by am+2k · · Score: 2, Informative
      I find it hard to believe that an incredibly useful not-yet-invented technology would only be available in PC card form and not in a little breakout box that'll let you hook it up to anything with a USB port.

      Well: USB 2.0, FireWire 2, faster 802.11, gigibit ethernet etc
      Those are just too fast for USB/Firewire

      btw, the iBook does have a PCMCIA-slot, the Airport socket. It's internal, so you wouldn't be able to connect something to it like a network cable.

      (I own one of those dual USB iBooks)

    8. Re:why? by mrbill · · Score: 2

      Revolutionary? Is that why the Airport base
      station is nothing more than a Lucent/Orinoco bronze 802.11b PCMCIA card in a fancy
      enclosure?

      Airport is nothing more than slightly-repackaged normal 802.11b, which was around (and also as 802.11) a long time before Apple thought of including it in their products.

    9. Re:why? by Teferi · · Score: 2

      It's not just a Lucent/Orinoco PC card in a fancy enclosure, it's powered by a 486 clone. :)

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    10. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2

      I can almost guarantee that the IBM mentioned (ATI Rage Mobility chipset) will support higher than 1024x768 output. I have a laptop with the same chipset and it goes to 1600x1200. It's probably a typo or oversight.

    11. Re:why? by mrbill · · Score: 2

      and I do have to point out here - I'm a Mac fan as well as a SPARC/Solaris and other UNIX fan. I'm typing this on a G4 Cube running OS X, which sits next to an Ultra 60, a SunBlade 100, and a 700Mhz/1gig/GF2MX Athlon gaming machine.

    12. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      I didn't see anything above 1024x768 on all those other laptops you listed. Maybe they've been crippled in order to urge the customer to move up the product matrix for higher resolutions. Just like you've been blaming Apple for.

      Each may have a 1024x768 external display, but I can assure you they can do a much higher resolution when attached to an external display... if the specs seem to imply otherwise, they are probably in error.

      All the IBM's and Dell's at the office can drive high resolution displays, regardless of the internal resolution. It's a neccessity for business presentations. Unfortunately, that is not true of the iBook.

    13. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      Oh, and you failed to note that the iBook will also do external and simultaneous video.

      I'm sorry, but you are wrong. There are two facts about the iBook that can be verified by a quick visit to Apple support. (The URL is linked elsewhere in this article.)

      1. The iBook supports only up to 1024x768 on an external display. Got a nice 21" monitor? Too bad, it goes up to 1024x768, and no higher, no MATTER WHAT.

      2. The iBook does not do dual display, it can only do video mirroring. (Same content on both displays.) Dual display is crippled on the iBook, reserved for the TiBook.

    14. Re:why? by BWJones · · Score: 2

      If you think the Tibook is overpriced, check out current educational pricing on the Tibook. They can be had for less than $2100. Of course you have to be associated with an educational institution, but its a pretty sweet deal.

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    15. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2

      At dell.com, I don't have to lie about being a student in order to get reasonable pricing.

    16. Re:why? by BWJones · · Score: 2

      Who said anything about lying? And besides, on dell.com I can't get a G4. Why would I go there? ;-) That said, we did however get a P4 with dual LCD's and W2K from dell.com. Its a decent box, but M$'s support of dual monitors it terrible. All of those damn log on boxes and error boxes come up right in the middle of the screen separation. And color support and sync only works on one display, not the second. Other than that, and the fact that every time I install new software, my internet settings are all screwed up, its a decent machine. Oh yeah, the fan did give up the ghost two weeks into ownership, and the replacement fan sounds like a jet taking off. Yeah, I think I will stick with my three display Mac workstation. Its relatively quiet with a good case design (something the Dell does not have), does everything I ask of it, all while being incredibly reliable. Its the best system I have ever owned (which includes: two Microns, a Compaq, an Acer laptop, two Dell machines including the aforementioned one, an HP workstation, an SGI O2, an SGI Octane, SGI Indigo, and five other Macs in addition to my first computer, an Apple II+.)

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    17. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      but that's the same GFX chipset as the iBook you dolt!

      It sure is, and that's our point. The CHIPSET is the exact same thing. However, Apple has crippled the computer, either in firmware or software, breaking the ability to use that chipset to output to high resolution displays!

      Do you see what we are complaining about now? The capability exists in the chipset, but Apple has intentionally broken that capability. Do you see Sony, IBM, or Dell doing that? No.

    18. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      Uh huh.

      The thread is not about how crappy dell is (they are), the thread is about how the only way to get decent pricing from Apple was to buy through their educational store.

    19. Re:why? by Lally+Singh · · Score: 2
      The $600 difference is definitely worth it for three big reasons:
      1. Mac OS X - If you don't know you better ask sombody (IMHO, the best desktop unix available)
      2. AltiVec - What geek wouldn't like 32 128bit registers to muck with, especially when they're hooked to one phatty vector processor?
      3. Titanium case, carbon fiber frame - Looks good, damn strong, damn light, and most imporantly, chicks dig it.
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    20. Re:why? by BWJones · · Score: 2

      And my point is that, even though Apple systems are expensive, I am happy to pay more for a system that is well thought out and built with quality. It makes me more productive allowing me to actually get work done rather than screwing around with stuff trying to get it done. The work accomplished over cost ratio tends to be much higher with a decent system. And as far as Windows PC boxes go, in my experience, Dell systems are actually some of the better systems.

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    21. Re:why? by firewort · · Score: 5, Informative

      I must respond to this:

      1. Don't need PCMCIA cards on the iBook. It has USB, firewire (IEEE1394), 56k, and 10/100 ethernet.
      What PCMCIA would you commonly need besides this. (you say token-ring and I kill you. :-D )

      2. Incorrect. The iBook does drive external monitors at 1024x768. It does this in a video mirroring method where the same display on the LCD is echoed on the monitor. If you could turn off the mirroring function, the external display could get 1600x1200 at millions of colors.

      The Ti wasn't meant to compete with bland ole Dells, it was meant to show up the sleek VAIOs. Comparing Apple to Dell is like comparing apples and lemons. (yes, I meant lemons. Dells have consistently gone bad on me, in laptop, desktop, and server form. Lousy hardware that a Dell tech has to come running to replace while I sit in downtime.)

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    22. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      It certainly is common in the PC industry.

      I'm not arguing that Apple is the only one doing it, rather, simply that it's a poor decision in this case.

      People with $1299 to spend on a laptop aren't going to buy a TiBook, no matter right, right?

      So given that they have a budget of $1299, which do you think will sell more - iBook with functional video out, or iBook with crippled video out? Apple's cost is the same in either case. Seems like an easy decision to me!

      Apple could sell more systems at the same price, with the same costs, if they hadn't made this decision.

    23. Re:why? by Stenpas · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Geesh people. Calm down. The sky isn't falling or anything like that. But nevertheless, not to spawn an OS war, the operating system matters as much if not more than the hardware.

      The MacOS has been proven again and again to be more reliable in the sense that it's more secure and takes less steps to get the same job done compared to any Microsoft OS.

      I read from somewhere that in a years time, the average PC user will spend more than 50 hours tech supporting their system, while the average mac user spends less than 5. I'm not too sure about the windows side of the equation, but I'd say that's pretty accurate for the mac side. I've spent maybe...umm..lemme think here. ok. It's been so long that I can't remember. 10 minutes maybe. In a worst case senario, it might be 2-3 hours in a year.

      Besides that, MacOS X looks like it has some real potential. 10.1 looks like a winner. They've got about a month to perfect it. Even on that ram retarded icebook it should run semi-decent after the upgrade to 10.1.

      It's not just the hardware which commands the premium price, it's all the stuff that comes with it. MacOS 9, MacOS X, itunes, imovie, Appleworks. All of those are in the price of the computer.

      Beyond all of that crap I just typed, a lot you guys seem to be making price your first priority when buying something. I don't know about you guys, but USER SATISFICATION comes first for me, then comes price. I always pay a lot of money for stuff I want, but my reaction is always something like, "Yup. I paid a lot of money for this, but I'm damned glad I did!"

    24. Re:why? by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      If you could turn off the mirroring function, the external display could get 1600x1200 at millions of colors.

      That's right, but you can't. Thus, you can only get 1024x768, no matter how big a monitor you have. Let's not dance around the issue, the issue is it should work, but it doesn't.

  6. Mockup? Nah. by BitchAss · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm assuming it's just a mockup, the nicer to be proved wrong about ;)

    It seems to be a working model. There's a picture of it working here

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  7. You know the speaker works . . . by Ezubaric · · Score: 3, Funny
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  8. Where to order the cases by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 4, Informative

    The company I used to work for, Root International, sells these cases. I have one very similar to the one this gentlemen used for my laptop (thought it's just a case). They can build them to do just about anything, custom foam inserts, etc. They even sell cases just like that one for Palm Pilots, etc.

  9. Titanium? Tough? Hah. by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go to a frys find a titanium and gently press on the back of the monitor while it is on. You'll see the screen deform, the titanium is so thin that just light pressure bends it, that can't be good, and definitely isn't rugged. 1/16" of titanium isn't that strong

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  10. It's all about the benjamins! by jht · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    They don't make 'em like that because very few people want one that ruggedized - therefore you can't sell enough to make the assembly line worth running. It costs a pretty penny to make a machine that tough - and laptops already cost more than desktops to begin with. Panasonic pretty much owns the rugged nighe right now with the ToughBooks, and Dolch (are they still around?) used to make some awesomely tough luggables that could be folded away easily but weren't really laptops (they mainly ran off AC, though I think they did a laptop or two).

    Most consumers want a small, light portable computer which pretty much eliminates ruggedness from the design (the current iBook and a few others being partial exceptions to the rule). You make up the difference with padding - ie, a really nice tote that provides the extra protection. It's a good enough compromise for most.

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  11. iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by jungwirr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I kicked myself when I bought my iBook SE (lime green - 340MB RAM, 10 gig HD, OSX) because Apple came out with the next generation iBook soon after. I would have really liked to have the bigger screen and external display support. But after working with it for several months I was consoled. This thing is rugged and convenient! Rubberized case and a reinforced handle make it quite close to what this fellow has mocked up.
    I stand firm behind my assertion that Apple makes the most durable and usable consumer grade notebooks available. OS X is still a little rough around the edges, but to have Mac classic and BSD running at the same time without major hakkij you can't beat it.

    1. Re:iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by jchristopher · · Score: 2, Flamebait
      I would have really liked to have the bigger screen and external display support.

      Don't worry, you aren't missing much. The new iBook can only drive an external display at 1024x768, and no higher, even though the ATI video chip supports much higher resolutions.

      Why? Because Apple intentionally crippled it to make you buy the TiBook. Unlike Dell, Apple can't justify the cost of the higher end with faster chips (they don't exist), so they have to cripple the low end to make the top end look good. Shameful. Makes me sad to be a shareholder.

    2. Re:iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by jchristopher · · Score: 2

      FYI, here is the link that lists the display resolutions: Apple support page.

    3. Re:iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by Super_Frosty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unlike Dell, Apple can't justify the cost of the higher end with faster chips (they don't exist)

      The TiBook has a G4 chip. The iBook has a G3 chip. Even though they are both 500 MHz, the different architectures = a sizable speed difference. Also, Apple makes up to a 800? MHz G4 chip.

      Of course, this makes it all the more pathetic to dumb down the iBook in other ways. Not only is the display an issue, but also the slow bus. Apple is not a friendly company.

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    4. Re:iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by gig · · Score: 2

      The iBook supports 1024x768 both internally and externally. jchristopher, you need therapy, man.

    5. Re:iBook Clamshells are quite durable as well. by jchristopher · · Score: 2
      What's your point? That's exactly what I said above.

      To reiterate - the iBook will do 1024x768 on both it's internal and external display, but no higher, even if you have an external monitor capable of 1600x1200.

      Although the video chipset is capable of 1600x1200, Apple crippled it so it won't work at anything higher than 1024x768. That is a verifiable fact.

  12. Yes, it's real. by sakusha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, it does function, and yes, I can read Japanese.

    But seriously, WFT is that "Bad Apples" story title? Seems to me this is a GOOD Apple, or is /. incapable of doing anything but bashing Apple?

    1. Re:Yes, it's real. by agdv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WFT is that "Bad Apples" story title? Seems to me this is a GOOD Apple

      For some reason the word "bad" has started being used to mean "very good". As is "bad-ass". Ah, kids today...

    2. Re:Yes, it's real. by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

      But seriously, WFT is that "Bad Apples" story title? Seems to me this is a GOOD Apple, or is /. incapable of doing anything but bashing Apple?

      Well you're probably Japanese, so I'll cut you some slack. Go rent Pulp Fiction or Shaft, and picture Samuel L. Jackson saying, "Those are some Baaaaaaaaaaad apples!"

      Actually, he'd probably say, "Those are some baaaaaaaaaaaad motherfuckers!" But they can't print that on Slashdot.

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  13. Tupperware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think computer cases, laptops especially, should be made of Tupperware, it's extremely durable. My mom has Tupperware bowels dating back to the 70's and the stuff still looks brand new.

    1. Re:Tupperware by bellers · · Score: 4, Funny
      Man. What I wouldn't give for Tupperware bowels.

      It would sure make those 3am Taco Bell cravings much easier to deal with the next morning.

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  14. Well, they do exist... by SlowCoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Panasonics "ToughBook" series is a _tough_ notebook, made for outdoor and industrial use..
    Doesn't look too bad either..

    Some features:
    * Shock-restistance
    * Spill-resistance
    * Vibration-resistance
    * Dust-restistance
    * Magnesium casing

    http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/Default .asp

  15. Re:Rugged? Try Titanium by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't be a moron. The PowerBook G4 is very fragile. I own one. I've had it since February 2001 and I always treat it with kid gloves. So far, I've smashed the screen latch by simply picking it up with one hand instead of two, I've ripped off all four rubber feet by dragging it a little ways across a tabletop, and I've nearly ruined the screen by grabbing it too hard. The PowerBook G4 is so flimsy that you can cause a short on the motherboard by lifting the machine in a particular way, and if you pinch the right side of the machine while a CD or DVD is spinning, you'll scratch the disc.

  16. Re:Rugged? Try Titanium by jchristopher · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Titanium in such minimal thicknesses is actually very flexible. (and also very lightweight). I'm no engineer, but look at the tubes of titanium bike frames. They are always oversized in diameter compared to steel, otherwise the bike would flex like a noodle.

    Check out the cool Ti bike stuff at Litespeed

    Ti is nice, but there is nothing necessarily indestructable about it.

    P.S. If you really ran a TiBook over with a car, it would be completely destroyed. You can flex the screen a scary amount by hand. (not that x86 laptops are any different).

  17. Re:here's why by jchristopher · · Score: 2
    Really? For the longest time, Apple has been saying that the G3/G4 is twice as fast as an x86 chip at the equivalent clockspeed. I'll agree with that, my own experience with macs seems to bear it out.

    However, the price/performance ratio is still horrible. Let's say a G4 tower really is twice as fast as a Pentium IV 1.4ghz. The Pentium IV is half the price! So it still has double the cost-effectiveness. Athlon is even better.

    Apple would have to market the G4 as "four times as fast" to make them price competitive.

  18. Re:here's why by jchristopher · · Score: 2
    not a real strong analogy

    You're right. Thank you for completely ignoring the topic at hand and validating my statement.

    The price difference is awfully huge if your only reason for buying one is to be "unique". If that's all you care about buy a $30 PC case and paint it.

  19. This reminds me of... by RainbowSix · · Score: 4, Funny

    My self contained portable Linux server... :)

    http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tw/serv.jpg

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    1. Re:This reminds me of... by shepd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know what works even better than a briefcase?

      The aluminum (well, metal covering some cheap fiberboard) cases they sell for $10-$20 at Home Depot. They are _exactly_ the width of the motherboard + 1" (leaving enough room for you to mount the motherboard backplate inside). They are tall enough for whatever peripherals you want inside, and are long enough to fit everything comfortably.

      They aren't too hard to cut up, and you end up with a sheilded, easy to lug about computer that only has to be opened (via the EZ-open latches) for servicing! :-)

      Best $10 I spent in quite a while.

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    2. Re:This reminds me of... by RainbowSix · · Score: 2

      Yes but to my knowledge, those are larger.. this briefcase is only around 5" high. I had to take the shielding off the power supply to get it to close. As a server, I don't need CD/floppy drives, only a network connection and power.

      Though for LAN boxen, yes, those large toolbox suitcases do work pretty well.

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  20. Yeah, I own one. Makes that Mac looks like a toy. by Myself · · Score: 2

    Toughbooks rock, although the lack of a fan means that the magnesium-alloy case is USED for heat dissipation.. it can get uncomfortably warm sometimes.

  21. I concur by victim · · Score: 2

    I have both a clamshell ibook and a new ibook. The clamshell is a tank. The battery lasts long enough that I never take a charger, so I never had a case. Just grab the computer by the handle and go. I forget how long I've owned it (it is one of the first) and it has never been damaged by being handled and carried naked.

    I miss my handle on the new iBook. I understand that the display hinge precludes one, and given the choice I'll take the extra 1" the hinge gets me, but I still miss the handle.

  22. Re:here's why by jchristopher · · Score: 2
    Hey, we agree that they are twice as fast! The problem is that they are ALSO twice as expensive, which means they have 1/2 the cost effectiveness.

    Example - G4 733mhz is as fast as a Pentium IV 1.5ghz. Sounds great, right? Except that the G4 tower STARTS at $1799! You can buy an 'equivalent' speed Dell for 1/2 the price.

    My point is that even if you accept the fact that Apple's are twice as fast per Mhz, you cannot ignore the fact that they are still more expensive to get an equivalent machine.

  23. some translation by novastyli · · Score: 2, Informative

    On the details ("detail") page,

    CD-RECORDER DRIVE

    It has a cd-r drive for imac, CDR-I420/IM(SONY CRX510E), made by Melco.
    It is very useful when I work aborad. It makes it easy to transfer large data to Windows-using clients.

    POWER KEY

    The power key is solid aluminium. The same for the reset key.

    SPEAKER

    The speaker consists of a mesh of aluminium and a ring made of solid aluminium.

    TRACK PAD

    The button is made of solid aluminium. It feels wonderful when you click. Also, it prevents miss-clicks.

    SLEEP LAMP

    I made the sleep lamp out of a solid acrylic. It flashes when the mac is sleeping. Together with the apple mark, this is important for the look.

    APPLE MARK

    I made this apple mark by casting graphite-colored epoxy-resin into a mould I made with silicone by taking the shape of the apple mark on a blueberry ibook.
    It glows softly by the light of the LCD backlight. (put your mouse pointor on the picture --novastyli)

    PORT

    The USB connector, whose position is a shorcoming of an ibook, was moved to the back, beefed up to a four-port hub. Of course, all other connectors are also on the back.

    AIR MAC (Mech Mushroom)

    It contains an air-mac inside. It works great when I work at places near my home, such as a park or a cafe.

  24. Something On Topic by Space+Cow · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't believe all the unrelated crap getting modded up today.

    Anyway, some real info:

    First, I read through the whole thing including his guest book (BBS link) and it looks like the real thing. He claims that his making of section will be in the August edition of Mac Life (Japanese Mac magazine). I will see if I see it on the stands before I head back to the states. Ok, just searched the web real quick and...presto:
    Mac Life does have an article about this! So it is real.

    Also, in the guest book section he says that he is working on a Halli Mac 2 based on the new iBook.

  25. Cool - 17 years late by cprael · · Score: 2

    It's a really cute idea. Consider that a friend and I were working on putting a PC-XT into a normal briefcase in 1984, and it doesn't look quite so cutting edge, though.

  26. Been there, done that. by jcr · · Score: 2

    As it happens, the first company I started had a gig to build a portable machine which consisted of a Mac *and* a PC, sharing a keyboard, a plasma display, and hard disk, all packaged up in a Zero Halliburton briefcase with a cell phone and modem. (This was circa 1985.)

    AFAIK, we were the first people who ever hooked up a Mac to a plasma display (which tended to get pretty hot with nearly all of the pixels lit), and it looked *amazing*. We'd never seen discrete pixels like that, or a 200:1 contrast ratio.

    Unfortunately, the customer we did it for went broke and stuck us with a massive receivable.

    One drawback to packaging a machine in a briefcase like this, is that it's really uncomfortable to use when you put it on a table.

    -jcr

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  27. Re:Rugged? Try Titanium by Sulka · · Score: 2

    As an owner who's opened mine (had to install airport) the biggest problem with the design is lack of sufficient insulation between the cover and the motherboard. For some reason, my machine leaked electricity to the cover for a while. :)

    The main body of the machine is very very sturdy but unfortunately only cover the outer edge of the machine, not the bottom.

    A friend dropped his machine rather spectacularly and broke the screen and the titanium frame. Everything else survived but he had to pay $$$ to get the broken parts replaced.

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  28. Haha by FallLine · · Score: 2

    I dare you to carry that through airport security! ;)

  29. Re:Airport $ by mrbill · · Score: 2

    $199 AUD is roughly equivalent to $99 USD.

  30. Re:dell w/ firewire? by jchristopher · · Score: 2

    The Inspiron 8000/8100 ships with FireWire built in. I don't know why they don't hype it more, it's not obvious.