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Slashback: Sale, Secrecy, Lasers

More details below in tonight's Slashback on the sale of Corel's Linux division, the public posting of the encryption scheme some bright young Irish whippersnapper has come up with, fun details on those toys you can roll around with your computer, and winners of another contest.

That's a lot of Molsen. Bigger R writes contributes this link to a story in the Calgary Herald with more detail on the sale of Corel's Linux division which was mentioned in vague terms the other day. It's going to a company called Xandros, in exchange for cash and equity, so Corel will still have at least some interest in the continued success of Linux, or at least its distro. A snippet: "Xandros Corp. president Michael Bego, who started the Ottawa company recently in preparation for the deal announced Wednesday, is also a shareowner in Linux Global Partners, a privately held New York venture firm that put up $10 million US to start Xandros."

Small, cheap and fun are all good words. An Anonymous Coward writes "There's an announcement of the winners of the embedded linux journal's design contest over at linuxdevices.com. Cool projects -- voting system, digital audio workstation, solar racing vehicle, GizmoCopter Project, and Hacking BigMouth Billy Bass. Follow the urls for the projects which are given in the announcement to learn about each project. Oh, and the prize for winning each category? An all expense paid trip to Costa Rica. Dang, why didn't I enter?"

Stuff that's hard to read. John Sokol writes with an update on the Cayley-Purser Algorithm mentioned here before.

"This story went through some time back about a 16-year-old girl outdoing RSA, but it lacked any discussion of the actual algorithm. This link is her paper that she now has posted on the net. It seems reasonable. Maybe someone here can find a flaw in it?"

Roll 'em. Slide100 writes: "It seems that there is more to the desktop rover that was posted about on Tuesday.

The marketing manager sent me a PDF file that explains some more - apparently, they just don't have the time to update the website.

Each rover comes with a cable that plugs into the transmitter and software to allow control of the rover from your computer (or through TCP/IP).

Additionally, each rover has 'Laser Tag' as an integral part of the vehicle. 10 hits (including sound effects) and your rover is disabled 'till the next match See it here. BTW - I have nothing to do with the company, I just think its very cool."

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  1. CP Algorithm broken long ago as public key scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obviously the poster did not read the article himself. In a postscript of her own paper (http://www.cayley-purser.ie/#Post_Script__An_Atta ck_on_the_CP_Algorit), a successful attack is described. The CP algorithm is only useful as a private key scheme, which is no big news.

  2. Rock'em Sockem by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 2, Funny


    You know this is a really cool little deal. What is really going to be pretty neat is when you can set up rock'em socke'em robots.

    With lasers on them to plug into your computer though a wireless network work. Then play with them though a head mounted camera! -- Opss wait that is Quake.

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  3. Laser tag? by Elequin · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't see anything about laser tag on the vehicle, but I did get this when I was trying to find it:

    This page is being modified, Sorry about that -
    come back later and we should have the
    changes completed. Please Click your
    browser's "Back" Button.

    Thank You!


    Heh. I guess maybe they're trying to add it, or trying to keep from getting slashdotted too badly?

  4. Sarah Flannery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a book entitled "In Code" by Sarah and her father, published by Workman, NY, that very interestingly describes her work. In it she tells of being advised by a well known mathematician that there is an attack on the method she described, due to the famous Caley-Hamilton theorem.

    1. Re:Sarah Flannery by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since the encryption scheme is broken (as public key anyway) it is not likely to make a great deal of money for anyone, although it was certainly interesting to read about.

      Furthermore, I think the father is right. Most children who get lots of money and or achieve lasting celebrity while they are still children have messed-up lives. I totally agree with the father's decision. Besides, smart as she is, she will most likely make money later in life if that is what she actually wants to do.

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    2. Re:Sarah Flannery by DGolden · · Score: 2

      Cultural differences. Many Irish, perhaps even most of them, don't value material wealth above all else, despite the usual cultural imperialism of imported hollywood trash. In fact, they tend to be rather disdainful of people who think that having material wealth makes one more worthy of admiration. Her father's just saving her from Evil Consumerist Brainwashing.

      She is profiting massively from it, in Irish terms, not [insert derogatory term for materialistic rest of world] terms - lots of people who matter know her name, and know she's smart. In Ireland, reputation tends to be much more important than money.

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    3. Re:Sarah Flannery by DGolden · · Score: 2

      Ahh... but the very fact that you recognise it as a new and abnormal phenomenon, and one that you don't sound particularly happy about, means that "Romantic Ireland" is not dead and gone. Rest assured that there's plenty of people left who have feelings between hate and pity for those drivers of immaculate, mud-free 4x4s who certainly don't need a 4x4 to get around off-road on the farm.

      Now that the economy's slowing down to saner levels, thanks to it's intimate dependence on currently recessional high-tech industries, there's been a bit of a media backlash against the nouveaux riches, at least in a goodly proportion of newspapers. Depends on what circles you move in, of course.

      I'm pretty confident her father didn't develop the algorithm, based on experience with other teacher's children here - the teacher's children tend to be the ones who are treated most harshly by the teachers themselves, often having to do at least 2x amount of work for same levels of recognition. I would say that she was motivated to work extra hard and do something outstanding because her father would have been much harder to please - and children tend to automatically want to please their parents (At least until the parent falls from grace by some demonstration of fallibility).

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    4. Re:Sarah Flannery by DGolden · · Score: 2

      Huh? I am Irish, born and reared, too. My point was not that people don't value material wealth to some extent, just that they don't value it above everything else, and that excessive accumulation thereof is not considered particularly commendable - the people who get most praise seem to be those who share their gains around with the community, not those who accumulate vast fortunes and don't do much with them. And in Ireland, somewhat like in Japan, people consider respect earned from their peers more important than most other things. Accumulation of money does not automatically lead to that respect, although it is one possible means to an end if you want to do things that will earn you said respect.

      Most people I know consider their reputation and their family more important than material wealth. A significant proportion still think that the peculiarly Irish brand of catholicism is more important (although I disagree, being an atheist).

      I live Dublin, avoid coffee (because I went cold turkey and went through two days of blinding withdrawal headaches - either drink lots of coffee or drink none - In between is painful!), watch anime, and talk about sports.

      I wouldn't consider an interest in sport to be exactly materialistic - in fact, athletic prowess is one of those "other than money" things that people hold in high esteem, along with artistic/creative talent and writing ability.

      I certainly didn't say we were a third world country. We haven't been since the 1980s ;-) (I remember when we "officially" stopped being one, when our GDP exceeded the sum of the interest payments on our various loans.)

      A disdain for the glorification of capital gain above all else does not mean that one automatically poor, just that one realises that there's more to life. This is an attitude I have picked up from a fair proportion of people I know here in Ireland (and Australia), to a lesser extent in Britain, and much more rarely from Americans, whether they be rich or poor.

      The thing is, property and material wealth are much more solid concepts in other cultures - in early Ireland, there was a concept of ownership, but it was transient. People were always stealing eachothers cows, lands, etc. It kept them occupied and made for interesting sagas.
      The Irish language doesn't have a verb "To Have", you say "It is with me" - "Tá sé agam". This kindof expresses the transience of the situation of ownership in the Irish psyche, which still persists today, despite British and the current American cultural imperialism.

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  5. Thoughts on the Cayley-Purser Algorithm by Shoeboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I find most interesting is the use of an inverse posiform discombobulator to repel sophisticated man in the middle attacks. Combined with the infix digestive emulator, this will be a key component in the "Digital Nervous System" of the future.

    Superficially, the Algorithm appears similary to the Bosun-Smee cipher which has been shown to be vulnerable to chosen plaintext attacks when not run in output feedback mode. Personally I think an approach based on a 4x4 Holmes-Longpole network would have been a preferable starting point, but this would be more vulnerable to differential polyp-cystizing cryptanalyis. This can (theoretically) be compensated for by a field-coit gestation transform, but no one is quite sure how to overcome the slow encryption speed of such a system.

    All in all it's a fairly interesting approach and I intend to study it further. I'd love to hear anyone elses opinion though.

    --Shoeboy

    1. Re:Thoughts on the Cayley-Purser Algorithm by Stormie · · Score: 2

      All in all it's a fairly interesting approach and I intend to study it further.

      You're not fooling anyone, Shoeboy! "Intend to study it further" my foot, you're lusting after this poor girl, admit it! What will Heidi say??

    2. Re:Thoughts on the Cayley-Purser Algorithm by Stormie · · Score: 2

      p.s. a picture of Miss Flannery for you, Shoe.

    3. Re:Thoughts on the Cayley-Purser Algorithm by GregWebb · · Score: 2

      Mornington Crescent!

      (or does no-one else know of that fine game?)

      ;-)

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  6. desktop rover by neonmatrix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's very strange that I am moved to post by this thing.

    Many of the most useful little devices started as toys. For instance the Aztec and Inca civilizations had wheels on their childrens toys but not on their wagons and carts.

    This little toy, or at least the model of a cheap travelling rover based on existing tech, could lead to cheaply revolutionized communications in cities and other compact spaces, such as aircraft carriers, etc.

    Using these devices as messengers would cut down on traffic and save gasoline and car-use resources in many cities.

    It sounds weird to us not because it's scientifically or fiscally implausible but because we are involved in a car culture.

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    1. Re:desktop rover by cburley · · Score: 2, Funny
      we are involved in a car culture.

      Not true! Personally, I'm involved in a cdr culture. I'm always chasing some tail....

      ;-)

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    2. Re:desktop rover by austad · · Score: 2

      Not true! Personally, I'm involved in a cdr culture. I'm always chasing some tail....

      cburley, you're always schemin' on something.

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  7. It says it's broken itself... by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 2
    From the paper itself:
    Thus the system as originally set out is 'broken'.
    Jason Pollock
  8. It isn't just 16 year old girls that can crack... by Kiss+the+Blade · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...codes. Controversial website adequacy.org has the skinny on autistic people being used by the NSA to crack RC5. Apparantly, each autist is capable of 1 megaflop per second, and there are many thousands of unused autists in our fine country. Are we not using their potential as we should?

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  9. feature/bug with CP alg by shibut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My crypto (and linear algebra) is somewhat rusty, it's been a few years, but I think that the problem is that Alice can't sign with her secret code. The paper mixes Alice and Bob a little, but assuming that Alice publishes and Bob encrypts in the algorithm, then unlike the RSA keys, Alice can't sign a message with her private key for all the world to see (using her public key). That is a big advantage of RSA.

    Is it a feature or a bug? what's the difference?

  10. FYI by nnet · · Score: 2, Informative
    FYI: its Molson's.

  11. the lazer game by fjordboy · · Score: 2

    Ummm...I can't seem to get the lazer game...any ideas? Appearently the page is up for construction.

  12. Cayley-Purser algorithm by binford2k · · Score: 3, Funny

    The algorithm has already been shown to have fatal flaws (search for Plaintext Defense). Sarah Flannery herself was quoted as such. However, there is nothing to say that the flaw cannot be eliminated in the next version. To say the least, this algorithm provides a strong foundation on which to build.

  13. Big Mouth Billy by krmt · · Score: 2

    If I were hacking Big Mouth Billy Bass to put Linux on it, I'd replace that annoying "Take Me To The River" sample with the classic "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Leenux."

    Of course, that would probably get old really fast, just like the standard sample. Plus, no one really wants to hear Linus say the same thing every day (except maybe his kids, who want to hear the "scary module under the bed" story every night).

    I'd really like to replace the current sample with the Talking Heads cover of the same song. Much better. Maybe give Big Mouth Billy a Big David Byrne Suit too.

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    1. Re:Big Mouth Billy by unitron · · Score: 2
      "...replace the current sample with the Talking Heads cover..."

      Make it worth the time and trouble. Go with the original--Al Green.

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    2. Re:Big Mouth Billy by krmt · · Score: 2

      Cool! Great project by the way. Cool idea. The default Billy Bass is so annoying, it's great that you can hack it.

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  14. Reminds me of Rainman... by kypper · · Score: 3, Funny
    We're counting cards....



    You're counting cards?



    We're counting cards....



    Uhh...huh...

  15. Bull! by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is a prime example of the proto-Cartesian fallacy at its worst. Remember, retrograde inverses are not prolifically transposed. There not "charmed" (excuse the pun).

    The right approach is to decompress ontlogogical entropism. You have to do this, or all you're left with is a lot of noise!

  16. Re:It isn't just 16 year old girls that can crack. by jeffy124 · · Score: 2

    i read that link. It doesnt say ANYTHING about NSA using autistic people, nor autistics being able to do computations at 1 megaflop/second. Besides, theose ppl cant be trusted as autistics are easily mislead and such, so anything they do/see can be easily weasled out of them. Learn to read, then try making false claims.

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  17. Re:Desk Rover + X10 Camera = Fun? by jedwards · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't need an X10. Plantraco sell a wireless camera which slots right into the rover.

  18. Re:CP Algorithm broken long ago as public key sche by dragons_flight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know a lot about alternative encryption schemes, but the relatively simple math involved suggests that this has the potential to be fast by any standard.

    I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile to do a mixed scheme whereby E is returned using RSA or some other technique and the bulk of the message is encrypted using C-P. If I read the comments correctly one has to retrieve the unique E for each message in order to break the system and read the encrypted text of that message.

    The table on the end show that a 250k file takes 50 minutes to encrypt/decrypt with RSA on the P 133 under Mathematica (relatively inefficient), and only a little more than 2 mins for C-P. Even given faster computers and optimized code, it would seem that one might see significant gains in speed if you are encrypting multi-megabyte files.

    Any thoughts?

  19. Re:CP Algorithm broken long ago as public key sche by dragons_flight · · Score: 2, Informative

    Block ciphers like DES and AES are much faster to compute than even C-P, since they don't require multiprecision arithmetic. AES, in particular, screams.

    The encryption/decrytpion of C-P uses only matrices of integers (all operations are modulo n). Having another encryption method might not be needed, but you're objection doesn't seem accurate.

    Or is there some meaning for "multiprecision arithmetic" other than multiprecision floating-point arithmetic?

  20. Re:It isn't just 16 year old girls that can crack. by Dwonis · · Score: 2

    Well yes, but only with x86 emulation ... damn binary-only drivers.

  21. Re:I'm confused... by Dwonis · · Score: 2

    So add 5 bits to your key. Problem solved.

  22. C-P algorithm by Compuser · · Score: 2

    I have a couple of questions. hopefully someone
    who knows a lot about encryption can answer.
    The paper claims there are two lines of attack:
    1. B={(AC)^-1}*C
    2. G=C^r
    For the first attack to be hard we need to
    pick p and q carefully. Does this restriction
    affect the ease of the second attack?
    Also, this negligible probability that the first
    attack will be easy seems to have a PR disaster
    written all over it. Does RSA have similar
    probability issues?

  23. Re:CP Algorithm broken long ago as public key sche by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
    I don't know a lot about alternative encryption schemes, but the relatively simple math involved suggests that this has the potential to be fast by any standard.
    Not by any standard. If you can transmit the key securely than a simple one time pad (i.e. xor with a random key the same length as the message) will be faster. Then of course stuff like PGP doesn't use RSA to encrypt the entire message, DES is used which is much faster. I didn't go into the CP algorithm enough to see how it would stack up against DES or other non-public key algorithms.
  24. Re: Thoughts on the Cayley-Purser Algorith and Bul by Savage+Henry+Matisse · · Score: 3, Funny
    You are both clearly insane people! A field-coit gestation transform? Decompressing ontlogogical entropism? You'd probably suggest protecting the nuclear launch codes using a Batman decoder ring from a box of cereal. For the very love of Christ, I pray and hope that neither of you boobs are in the Public Sector.

    Everyone-- me, the old lady next door, the kid down the street, the dog-- knows that field-coit gestation transforms and ontological decompression over a finite field are about as secure as a tipsy girl's chastity on prom night. Field-coit, when push comes to shove, is hardly more than a complex-- but certainly tractable-- hex-stacked XORing from an arbitrary (but by no means random) set of figures of undefined length. And ontological demopression?!? Christalmighty! Not only is it slow (maybe you can wait 1345 months to encrypt "The Old Man in the Sea", but I myself have a wife and dog to feed), but you actually end up with LESS entropy than using, say, triple-DES with unique keys-- which also has the tiny-tiny-twee little advantage of not taking 112 YEARS!!!

    This is what I hate about this ENTIRE FIELD: Some gintch in Ireland comes up with a cute (if entirely infeasable)cryptosystem (which, I might add, she has already aknowledged and published the weaknesses of!), and then I have to listen to every blowhard from here to Katamandu go off about how great field-coit and ontological decompression are. Christ, it's wors than talking about laptops with Mac-Addicts!

    Some days, I'd rather be flipping burgers.

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  25. Laser Tag... IrDA? by Gregoyle · · Score: 2

    I wonder, if since the desktop rover can be hooked up via tcp/ip to a computer, and since it has laser tag capabilities...

    Could one hack it to be a remote IrDA port? maybe be used as a second remote control for your TV? There must be some super-cool use for a radio controlled remote control...

    At least you'd never lose it!!

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  26. Re:It isn't just 16 year old girls that can crack. by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    The government has done tons of wacky stuff...e.g., the CIA had (or maybe still has??) a program, to train people to psychicly detect the presence of russian submarines. The scary thing is that this was apparently really working (or else why would the spooks care?).

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  27. Re:CP Algorithm broken long ago as public key sche by CyberKnet · · Score: 2

    Wouldnt that then be large scale arithmetic rather than large precision arithmetic?

    Just curious.

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