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Mindstorms' Next Generation

davey23sol writes: "MSNBC has a 2.0 review of Lego Mindstorms here. Looks like they have put in an easier programming system for users, touch and light sensors, and some other stuff. The transmitters for the infrared transmitters are now USB instead of serial, too. The new system will be $200, and if you have Mindstorms now the upgrade will just be $20. It should all be available this month. I can't wait to get one (never got around to getting my Mindstorms kit)." This review may not go into $200 worth of depth, so I look forward to more detailed reader reviews (and more pictures) when this is widely available :)

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  1. Realtime systems course by shd99004 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just started my Realtime systems course at my university, and in that course, for the lab assignments, we will use LEGO Mindstorms to build cars or robots and control them with a realtime operating system. I can't wait.

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  2. Hopefully, for 3.0... by cr0sh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They will expand the number of sensors and motors you can connect at one time.

    I am aware of a number of "hacks" to allow you to attach more sensors and motors (my favorite involves a system whereby a circuit senses when a sensor is toggled between two certain modes, in that there is a current drop or something involved in the switch, and can activate a multiplexing system to select a different set of three outputs), but these systems all are custom, and require a bit of hardware skill and modeling skill to build - plus, no one else can replicate your machine unless they build that same system.

    I would like to see the "Ultimate Accessory" pack added as a standard part to the system - to let you get a rotation sensor, and a remote, as well as other good parts.

    It would also be nice to get some more "funkier" sensors or devices - like a laser pointer, one or two of the mini-motors, a wireless camera (something like the lego cam, but wireless), maybe an outboard battery pack, maybe high-power motors, a usb or network interface on-board the RCX (adding the extra sensors and motors onto the box will make it big enough to add this), so you can communicate directly, or network multiple RCXs together (Beowu... ah, nevermind).

    How about solenoid valves for the pneumatics - by the way, why can't we get the pneumatic systems anymore, huh? Walking machines would get sooo much easier, to an extent. Pitsco sells the parts, for most of it, so it is available still, but only if you know about them - still, it is nearly impossible to get the blue air tank to power your pneumatic system - check Ebay and pay through the nose, IF you are lucky.

    One other part I would like to see added as standard - a ball and socket joint. Lego introduced a part nearly like this with those cheesy Robot fling kits, but the arm that had the ball was made out of this flexible plastic - you can cut the ball off, which leaves you with a ball and a small cross peg, to attach to, but it is still hard to work with, and the ball is too tight in the socket - it needs loosening up (maybe some sandpaper and oil applied would help) to be useful, for things like very flexible arms and legs on experimental bots.

    I would also like to see the return of the huge tires that came with the old Expert Builder car kit, these things are near impossible to find (once again, Ebay it). Plus, make it easy to get the old jointed track (Pitsco sells this) for treads. Plus the geared large turntables - must have parts for robotic arm devices!

    With five motors and five sensor inputs, a real industrial-style robot arm built from lego (along the lines of a Rhino arm, or a Micromover arm) could easily be built, and teach a lot of principles of design, programming and control. Right now, to build such a thing, you need two RCX units, and a few motors, and it is still a pain to build (most work is in getting the two RCXs talking to each other properly).

    Add more memory to the RCXs, as well - for much, much larger programs - heck, drop 128K in - more than enough!

    For such an upgrade, I would be willing to pay $100.00 to trade in my old RCX for the new one, or something along those lines...

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  3. Reproductive Legos by hound3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    When will their sensors be intelligent enough to see and determine size and shape of lego pieces? That way, you can build a complex Lego robot to go out, and assemble more of itself.

    Program what you want, go away, come back and 20 robots are now working on it for you...

  4. Java for LEGO - LejOS by mtDNA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    LejOS (http://lejos.sourceforge.net) is an open source Java API for RCX.

    LejOS is great, although it does have the usual Java problems: large memory footprint, slow (virtual machine), etc...

    I like to use both legOS and lejOS, depending on the project.

    Also, I've been working on RCXComm, which is fun if you grok RCX bytecodes.

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  5. BUY THIS BOOK FIRST! by wirzcat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Buy Fred Martin's book "Robotic Exporations" first before you buy Mindstorms.

    He and MIT helped invent the Mindstorms.
    http://www.handyboard.com/