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Linus to speak on "The Origins of Linux"

Paul J. White writes: "Everyone in Silicon Valley will probably be there when Linus Torvalds lectures on "The Origins of Linux" in Mountain View, California on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 6 PM. It's bound to be interesting, so sign up early!"

102 comments

  1. Re:you mean, instead of reading the book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful
    Actually PowerPoint is one of the best Microsoft applications.

    I could imagine writing something with StarOffice word processor instead of MS Word but when it comes to making slides there's just no alternative to PowerPoint.

  2. Linus - NASA by tahpot · · Score: 1, Informative

    Linus is to speak at NASA Ames Main Auditorium. Perhaps NASA like the whole linux thing?

    1. Re:Linus - NASA by O · · Score: 0

      Uh, where do you think beowulf clusters came from?

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      1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21 -- Mathematics is the Language of Nature.
    2. Re:Linus - NASA by Woefdram · · Score: 1

      I have some recollection of an article which stated that NASA was planning to deploy Linux on a broad scale. Can't remember where I read the article, only that I did and that it was quite some time ago.

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      Woefdram, l'apprenti sorcier

  3. Re:you mean, instead of reading the book? by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    Looks like I'll be reading the book. Unless there's a webcast, that the closest those of us
    on the East coast will get to this. Shame. My
    comapny's releasing their quarterly results the
    same day. I'd rather listen to Linus.

  4. Linus' speech: by odaiwai · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    "Hello, My names Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as 'a funny thing happened in my bedroom when I was a student'".

    Of course, in the original Swedish:
    "Hellu, My nemes Leenoos Turfelds und I prunuoonce-a Leenoox es 'a foonny theeng heppened in my bedruum vhee I ves a stoodent'". Bork Bork Bork!

    dave "chef"

    1. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Yes, being from Finland, Linus will obviously have Swedish as his native language.

    2. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swedish is his native language. It's the second official language in Finland and the Finnish speaking population (94% of the population) learns the language in school.

    3. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, what a waste. Why California, why US citizenship and why no webcast??

      As one of the leaders of the Open Source movement, you'd think Linus would make sure his rare speaking engagements are accessible to everyone with no strings attached.

    4. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finnish is his native language if he comes from Finland (by its very definition).

      A Fin might be able to speak Swedish, but that doesn't make it his native language.

    5. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there's an ethnic minority of Swedish speaking people in Finland. In all official documents their native language is listed as Swedish.

    6. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His nationality is Finnish but his official native language is Swedish. Obviously he speaks Finnish, too, but in principle he wouldn't have to. It's guaranteed by law that all essential services such as health care and education must be available in Swedish. To this end, it is required that a higher level governmental employee (including a scientist like me or a medical doctor) passes a fluency test in Swedish.

    7. Re:Linus' speech: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      all essential services such as health care and education must be available in Swedish.

      I wonder when the US government will acknowledge the rights of the Spanish speaking population in the same way.

    8. Re:Linus' speech: by odaiwai · · Score: 2

      > Yes, being from Finland, Linus will obviously have Swedish as his native language.

      Well, surprising though it may sound, There is a minority of Swedish-speakers in Finland and Linus is one of them. You could check out his book 'Just For Fun' for a more detailed explanation of why this is so.

      dave

  5. Seen it before by The+Ultimate+Badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    I actually saw Richard Stallman give a talk on linux 3 years ago when I was at Georgia tech. He discussed how the software project had grown from inauspicious roots as a terminal emulater that Linus had written in C to becoming an OS, based in Andrew Tannenbaum's xenix microkernel.

    Of course, the time was ripe for a project like this, since Andrew wasn't willing to accept any patches to his system, effectively preventing the inclusion of virtual memory, multitasking and a useful filesystem. Stallman made the point that any usable ase for an OS would have been successsful at that point, as long as the developer was willing to accept people's additions. Linus just happened to be in the right place at the right time

    It's funny to think that, had RMS had more foresight, we'd all be using HURD today, and Linus would be an unknown doctoral student/graduate at Helsinki university!

    --

    Denial isn't just a river in Italy

    1. Re:Seen it before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      based in Andrew Tannenbaum's xenix microkernel.

      Actually, it was based on Minix, not Xenix.

    2. Re:Seen it before by SurfsUp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Linus just happened to be in the right place at the right time

      And he happened to be the right person. I've known a lot of technical people, but I never knew one who could lead a project like this as well as Linus. And don't forget his legendary debugging prowess. Oh, and his intuitive sense of where to lead the design. Ah, and the charisma. Err, I almost forgot about his non-partisan stance. Um, how about his ability to use English better than most native speakers? Well, you get the idea. Pretty hard to find another Linus if you ask me.

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      Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
    3. Re:Seen it before by gallir · · Score: 4, Informative
      based in Andrew Tannenbaum's xenix microkernel.

      What? It's Minix, Minix, Minix. Xenix was always proprietary, and is going to die as such.

      OTH, Minix was ergh... shared source? It died anyway...

      --
      sgis ddo ekil t'nod i
    4. Re:Seen it before by x3dnet · · Score: 1

      Not only Morpheus believes that he is the one :-)

    5. Re:Seen it before by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The thing is HURD was announced before Linux so RMS really has little excuse for the current state of the world.


      I suspect that part of the reason he's so bitter about Linux ("call it GNU/Linux!") is because Linux took off like a rocket while HURD wallows in obscurity, never likely to be more than an evolutionary dead end.


      That's not to say HURD is bad, it's just that Linux is and was more popular - partly because Linus is such a strong leader, partly because the kernel is so easy to get into and partly because it actually works dammit.

    6. Re:Seen it before by decefett · · Score: 1

      Xenix, *shudder*

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    7. Re:Seen it before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "terminal emulator" - fair enough. "Andrew Tannenbaum's xenix microkernel." - ??? His "microkernel" was called Minix, and I've used it briefly. It's nice, but limited :)

  6. Religion by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Everyone in Silicon Valley will probably be there when Linus Torvalds lectures on "The Origins of Linux" in Mountain View, California on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 6 PM. It's bound to be interesting, so sign up early!"

    "from the on-the-seventh-day-he-rested dept."

    *Sigh* Well, it is a religion.

    I miss the days when operating systems ran programs, and weren't political statements.

    1. Re:Religion by Brian+Knotts · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I miss the days when operating systems ran programs, and weren't political statements.

      What? You were one of the MULTICS developers?

  7. MP3? by Jim+the+Bad · · Score: 1

    Somebody going to post an mp3 of the talk after, like they did with Jello Biafra in times past?

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    -- And when Justice is gone, there is always... Force. --Laurie Anderson, "Oh Superman"
  8. must be a US citizen? by rneches · · Score: 1, Redundant
    Does anyone know why one must be a US citizen to see this talk? The site doesn't explain, it just points out that you need to bring credentials, such as a driver's license, passport, or green card to prove citizenship. This struck me as odd - is it a funding thing, or is there "discussion of non-exportable cryptosystems", or other such nonsense?

    Oh well. Sorry to those not from the US who might want to see this talk.

    --
    In spite of the suggestions and all the tests that I have made, I have not cavato a spider from the hole.
    1. Re:must be a US citizen? by elfkicker · · Score: 1

      "Since The Museum collection is temporarily housed within a closed Federal facility, all guests must register in advance to be admitted."

      I've never been there, but it is a Federal airport and I'm sure there are military operations on campus. Seems like a reasonable request.

    2. Re:must be a US citizen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can't let all those foreign students, with possible connections with rogue states such as Iraq or Libya, to obtain knowledge that keeps the America as the technological leader in the world.

    3. Re:must be a US citizen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does one have to be a US citizen to give a talk there? If yes, Linus will have a nice surprise on arrival...

    4. Re:must be a US citizen? by Ledge · · Score: 2, Funny

      Umm, people with green cards and non-US passports aren't citzens, so I think you're ok.

      --
      If it ain't a Model M, it's a piece of crap.
    5. Re:must be a US citizen? by lastninja · · Score: 2, Funny

      They are obviously afraid that Linus will be hit by a bus, driven on the wrong side of the road by some English guy.

      --
      John Carmack fan, browsing at +5 since 1999.
    6. Re:must be a US citizen? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, then Linus will have a hard time getting in himself.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  9. Just like when Elvis died.. by popeydotcom · · Score: 1

    ..everyone remembers where they were when they first heard about Linux.

    I was working as a Technician at a college in the Engineering department. One of the students starting raving on about this CD he had received containing loads of free (beer) software.. I remember him being a bit of a techy nerd. He had the beard and belly too.

    I thought he was a fool "It'll never fly".

    How I wish I had listened and got in early on. Then I too could be as righteous, patronising and superior as half the Linux community.

    1. Re:Just like when Elvis died.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, do I know how that feels. I'm kicking my self for not jumping on the bandwagon early. Now I have to put up with fat, filthy beardos lording it over me that they started out on redhat 5.2 when my first distro was slackware 6. It sucks.

    2. Re:Just like when Elvis died.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      started on redhat!?

      hahahahah - latecomers!

    3. Re:Just like when Elvis died.. by mprinkey · · Score: 1

      Wow...I was a fat and bearded (but not filthy) several years ago...I got started with RH4.1. What a piece of crap! Downloaded over a 28.8. It took about four days to get it. I had to install from a hard drive because I didn't have a CDR to burn an iso. Good old 120MHz 486...watching first runs of Babylon 5. And Enlightenment was in crash-per-minute beta and Gnome/KDE were just glimmers in our collective eyes. And signed up for some piece-of-shit webboard called Slashdot...back in the day.

      Starting to feel a little old.

    4. Re:Just like when Elvis died.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Then I too could be as righteous, patronising and superior as half the Linux community

      You said it. The really unfortunate part is most
      of that anooying community can't program their
      way out of a paper bag ...

      Anon and loving it.

  10. Moderator abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Danger! The post claims that there's Microsoft program that's lightyears ahead of anything similar on Linux. Must moderate it down at once!

    1. Re:Moderator abuse by synapz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It should be moderated up because it's (slightly) funny. vi is even more infuriating than word (just - bloody word and it's indents!) Why on earth didn't vi die along with the 8" floppy drive?

  11. Totally wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Andrew Tanenbaum's product was called freenix, and it was based on freeBSD. He released it in alt.comp.minix, which was probably why you got confused.

    1. Re:Totally wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IHBT! How could I overlook that misspelling? Torveldes, not Torvalds! D'oh! And he says he came from Norway, not Spain. Well, I guess I am and idiot!

  12. free software... not so free conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is Linus doing in a restricted area??? Is this because M$ is checking the IDs to genrate a realtime blacklist of its customers or what?!???!!!

    Since The Museum collection is temporarily housed within a closed Federal facility, all guests must register in advance to be admitted. You may be required to show your picture ID and/or passport upon entering the base.

    When you RSVP, please provide:
    For US citizens:
    Full name, affiliation, address, phone number, and notification of US citizenship. (Please bring your picture ID.)

    For Non-US citizens with Green Card holders:
    Same requirements as for US citizens. Please provide your country of citizenship and Green Card number. (Bring your Green Card with you.)

    For Non-US citizens:
    Same requirements as for US citizens above, plus citizenship, VISA type and expiration date, passport number and expiration date, date of birth, and country of birth. (Please bring your passport.)


    1. Re:free software... not so free conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about us illegal Mexican immigrants?

    2. Re:free software... not so free conference by super-flex-o-matic · · Score: 1

      so you need visa ?
      thats though...

    3. Re:free software... not so free conference by Chazzy · · Score: 1

      >>For Non-US citizens with Green Card holders:
      >>Same requirements as for US citizens. Please
      >>provide your country of citizenship and Green
      >>Card number. (Bring your Green Card with you.)

      Hmmm, guess I'll need a bigger suitcase... Do I get it back afterwards?

      Sorry. Couldn't resist.

  13. Re:must be a US citizen? Can you read? by paul7e · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please don't be an alarmist unless you've actually looked at the site, the event is open to all.

    However, the Museum is currently housed on an old military facility (that's still owned by the military), so you need picture ID.

    Non-citizens, like it says multiple times on the site, just need to bring their passport or Green Card. But everybody needs to make advance reservations so they can run you through whatever security database they use.

    paul

    --
    Silly Rabbit, sigs are for kids.
  14. Well.... by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

    We do know that Linux came from Xenix...

    1. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N00b !
      Linux came from SCO Openserver !

  15. CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Be paranoid for a moment, think about what would happen if all those who attend the talk are arrested for "DCMA" violations ...
    A lot of American Open Source Coders in ONE! swell swoop..

    feel the shiver?..

    Either way they will have your profile from now, what with all the information they are collecting.

    tchuss!

    1. Re:CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh, so that's what they've built these camps for! To keep all the Open Source zealots in!

      The Truth is finally out there!

  16. GNU's Army Will Be Out in FORCE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expect no mercy at that event. He had best give credit where credit is do or there'll be some trouble you can believe you me.

    1. Re:GNU's Army Will Be Out in FORCE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He'll probably be too overcome by the smell of filthy GNU hippies to even speak, let alone say linux without prefixing it with GNU.

    2. Re:GNU's Army Will Be Out in FORCE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. I heard the air force is going to bring in the AEFB to contain the smell.

  17. Why is this on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    It is so very local that it is useless to post here.

    I wouldn't have mind a transcript or so when it is over, but this is ridiculous!!!

  18. When was that? by wiredog · · Score: 2

    Remember DOS vs OS/2
    OS/2 vs Windows?
    Remember Unix vs VMS?
    etc?

    1. Re:When was that? by koekepeer · · Score: 1

      and let's not forget windows vs. mac (or, as mac users say: dos vs mac, and they're right dammit!)

  19. Hey shut up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's talking about the leader!

  20. Just For Fun by jeffy124 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several months ago /. did a book review on Torvald's own book, Just For Fun. If for whatever reason you can't go to his talk, I recommend the book. I've read it, and it's good.

    --
    The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
    1. Re:Just For Fun by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can also listen to his interview with Terry Gross on Fresh Air. The interview is about his book and was very well done. It was also talked about here on slashdot a while back.

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      Erlang Developer and podcaster
    2. Re:Just For Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Fresh Air.

      Did he address how not to be overcome by the smell of dozen filthy GNU hippies?

    3. Re:Just For Fun by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      Is the book GNU GPLed, so I can grab it on an ftp, change it, and charge for these changes ???

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      What ? Me, worry ?
  21. TCMHC Fellows by Lizard_King · · Score: 2

    Not an incredibly interesting article unless you are going to be on the West cost next week.

    However, I did notice the Computer Museum's list of fellows, or more specifically, individuals of outstanding merit and accomplishment who have contributed to the development of computing.

    Some familiar faces are there: Vint Cerf, Dennis Ritchie, Woz... I wonder when Linus will grace this list. Who else is missing?!? Tim Berners-Lee? Bill Gates? Bjourne?

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." - Jack Nicholson
    1. Re:TCMHC Fellows by AstroJetson · · Score: 1

      Who else is missing?!? Tim Berners-Lee? Bill Gates? Bjourne?

      Bill Joy is still the man in my book for the original vi. But you could name names all day.

      --
      Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
  22. Why such a limited audience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a student at Waterloo and last year my friends and I organized a great event at our Univeristy that brought an interesting interview of Web inventor, Tim Berners-Lee to our school.

    The cool part is that to get TBL we didn't have to do much. A distance-learning program called the VisionQuest Series made all the arrangements and all we did was tune in with our browsers and satellite. A question of mine was even chosen and TBL answered it.

    Why don't more people speak through this forum, or something like it? I wonder if those VisionQuest people approached Torvalds? I would love to hear Linus speak but I can't quite make it to California. When is distance-learning finally gonna be popular?!

  23. Seriously, why is this audience so restricted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    California? US Citizens?! What's the deal?

    I'm a student at Waterloo and last year my friends and I organized a great event at our Univeristy that brought an interesting interview of Web inventor, Tim Berners-Lee to our school.

    The cool part is that to get TBL we didn't have to do much. A distance-learning program called the VisionQuest Series made all the arrangements and all we did was tune in with our browsers and satellite. Everyone had equall access. A question of mine was even chosen and TBL answered it.

    Why don't more people speak through this forum, or something like it? I wonder if those VisionQuest people approached Torvalds? I would love to hear Linus speak but I can't quite make it to California. When is distance-learning finally gonna be popular?!

  24. Re:GNU's Army Will Be Out in Frocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He prefixes everything with 'GNU'.
    That's because every time he opens his mouth, his own stench causes him to retch uncontrollably.

  25. It's all clear... by Spackler · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you RSVP, please provide: For US citizens: Full name, affiliation, address, phone number, and notification of US citizenship. (Please bring your picture ID.)

    Bush: How can we get rid of all these commie bastards that the MPAA keeps bugging me about?
    Ashcroft: If we grab their hero, and make them want to come here for him, we can get them all in one place.
    Cheney pulls off Bush mask
    Cheney: They would never fall for that, it's a military base!
    Ashcroft: I got two words for ya, slash dot!
    Linus: Um, Mr. Asscroft, that's one word.
    Ashcroft: Guards, sieze him!
    Cheney: IANAL, but BWahahahahahhaha!

  26. Booooring by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 1

    This is like going to Church every Christmas to hear the same story. Linus wanted to run Unix on his 386, and used Minix as a base of inspiration. Heard it all before. It ain't that interesting anymore.

    --

    Stop the brainwash

  27. who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares? Linux is gay!

  28. Re:you mean, instead of reading the book? by Spootnik · · Score: 0

    You would rather go to your Linus meeting, fine Mr. Simpson, clean out your cubicle on your way out.

  29. Re:you mean, instead of reading the book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    "Wow, speaking gigs... "

    Think he will speak long enough that an Oog Vorbis recording would get into gig(abyte)s? And me with only a dial up connection:(

  30. History strangely repeating itself? by letoram · · Score: 2

    "The Origin of Linux", doesn't sound right, I'd rather have it
    "The Origin of Linux by means of penguin fanatics".

    Comparing the work of Linus (& crew) to the work of Darwin is perhaps not fair, but their work had both a revolutionary effect and was regarded with contempt from many in power.

    Not too many people these days questioning evolution right?

  31. _rebel code_ [book] by jspraul · · Score: 0

    i'm tired of "submit"-ing.
    * gets over it *

    1. Re:_rebel code_ [book] by jspraul · · Score: 0

      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail /-/books/0738203335/customer-reviews/qid=100021392 3/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/104-9251050-7297506

      http://www.addall.com/New/submitNew.cgi?query=07 38 203335+&type=ISBN&location=10000&state=AK&dispCurr =USD

      bookpool.com would sell it cheaper if they knew it was a tech book.

      ~jed@spraul.net

  32. They might as well... by Kasreyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the way our laws are going all the professional OSS coders are gonna be fleeing the country anyway (probably to Russia just to make the irony that much more perfect), so why not arrest them before they can escape? After all, every one of them used their brains today, and brains can be used to write code, and code can be used to circumvent encryption schemes, so the brain is a circumvention device. It's basically a crime to be a computer programmer in the US now, so git while the gittin's good is my advice...

    -Kasreyn

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    Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger /. flamers since 1999.
  33. Hrm. by Kasreyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    This site is a bit over-the-top. Would apparently lay the entirety of Linux, the OSS movement, the wheel, and sliced bread at Linus's feet.

    Not a word about the GNU project, RMS, the FSF, the GPL, etc. Just "appease the Linux fans by publically worshipping their poster boy!".

    Heh, I bet RMS is taking an ANGRY sponge bath this morning. =P

    -Kasreyn

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    Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger /. flamers since 1999.
  34. Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he is not moderated: (Score 5, redundant)

  35. Linus on PowerPoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "do you think he'll have a powerpoint presentation? hehehehehe"

    What do you mean? Two years ago, Linus praised Microsoft for at last producing a useful program. Remember, back then there were no viable free option.

    Linus is more pragmatic than NOT using PowerPoint. However, if there is a viable option today, I believe he may use it.

  36. simulcast by bodleyca · · Score: 1

    I take it no one would be willing to sneak a wire in or make a call from a cell phone to a weblink. Those unfortunates on the other side of the country may not be able to get there. (me being one of them) Any one who here's about a possible simulcast please drop me a line. Any hope of an official simulcast?

  37. I would guess this is cancelled... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

    Given the world domino towers incident.

    1. Re:I would guess this is cancelled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, we have a fine collection of very able programmers and the like here, how 'bout a little demonstration, aimed at any and all web sites promoting terrorism in all its forms?

      Nothing organized, nothing planned, just give a little back to the society that has nurtured (most of) us.

      Geeks of the Internet, Unite!

    2. Re:I would guess this is cancelled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am guessing its probly going to be put off a bit seeing its a military base and they are on high alert. also flights are canceled and such.