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U.S. Attack -- More Updates
I'm trying to get stuff together, and post an update: The Pentagon, which evidently has partly collapsed with a chasm 200-300 feet across, and fires on six
stories, has ordered the USS JFK and George Washington into NYC. PLEASE GIVE BLOOD. Over 200 firemen are reported missing, and
reports of 50,000 dead in the WTC collapse are being bandied about. Dick Cheney has assumed control of the White House, and is in the situation room there. GWB is not returning to the White House until things have calmed down -- and has gone evidently to an undisclosed location. The [CDC] in Atlanta has largely evacuated but has activated their bioterrorism
units. American Airlines flight 11, the first to crash into the WTC, was going from BOS -> LAX. There are rumors of Akamai's founder being onboard on Flight 11, As well, the rumor is that the pilot of United Flight 193 flew it in
into the ground, outside Pittsburgh, rather then fly into the USX building, which if true, makes him a better person then I -- but there are also rumors that it was shot down by a F-16. United Flight 175 also crashed into the WTC, according to Boston.com, and originated from Boston -- so the WTC was both Boston
flights. Reports of a car bomb that was supposed to have gone off int front the State Department have been denied. In a statement, the Taliban government of Afghanistan has denied any involvement, and Yassar Arafat has denounced the attack. Remember: No one knows who did this yet, so don't make any assumptions -- remember what people
first thought about the OKC attack. In other news, the US - Mexico/Canada borders are being heavily screened; all air traffic has been grounded; nationwide federal
buildings are being evacuated; NATO personnel in Brussells have been sent home, Israeli embassies worldwide have been evacuated, all U.S. Disney parks shut down;
major parts of European cities, Britain in particular, are being shut down; stock trading is shut down in all major European and American exchanges. There are 50 flights still in the air, with 2
international flights that have yet to respond. F16s from the US Air Force has been instructed to shoot down flights in a no fly zone over NYC & DC - an AVI of the WTC plane or mpeg here.
More as we
know.Update: 09/11 18:10 PM GMT by H :I've heard on NPR that all flights and planes are now accounted for -- but that a fifth crash has occurred in an undisclosed location. As well, a car bomb did go off in front of the State Department, and there was a crash near Camp David. There's a well done timeline - we also had a report from someone who lives 3 miles away from the PA crash. Evidently the plane veered several times, and then smashed into an abandoned strip mine - which was luckily not near any people or anything.
The Canadian military has also been scrambled; I saw the two bicycles go by my place about a half-hour ago. I know more than a few of us up here who'd love to drive south and enlist just to kick the arse of whoever did this.
Oh, and btw: Somebody set up U.S. the plane.
Am I the only one who heard Roxette to sing "I'm gonna get blitzed for some sex"?
Would this be happening if Gore were our Pres?
I can respect your opinion, but you said it yourself - you are not a US citizen. So, really, there's no way you can possibly know how people living in the US feel right now. I doubt very much that you would have the same feelings if something like this happened in your country (wherever that may be). If you would indeed feel the same, then you're a bigger man than I. I think everybody's first reaction will indeed be to annihilate whoever was responsible. I have no problem with this whatsoever - hunt them down, root and branch, and eradicate them. Just be absolutely certain that they are, indeed, the correct people.
"To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!"
Violence induces more violence. Retaliation will only lead to more deaths. If you are a citizen of the U.S. of America, please write your representative right now and ask him to join a plea for peace. Historically the U.S. reaction to this kind of attack is to counter strike. It's highly probably that it's already being planned or even carried on. That will solve nothing.
Dude. This is worse than Pearl Harbor.
Get with the real world. You're dealing, most likely, with Arab terrorists. They're born and raised to think martyrdom after destroying civilian targets is the way to Mecca.
The only thing they understand is violence. This is the start of World War III. Make no mistake about it.
It's time to clean up the Middle East. And I'm afraid that will mean a lot of collateral damage to their civilians, but *the fucking World Trade Center* went down.
I don't care about a few Syrian or Afghani or whoever women and children in the face of *at least 50,000 innocent civilians* dying.
This is war. It's not pretty.
Fire and Meat. Yummy.
You are SO wrong. Appeasement NEVER works. We tried to appease Hitler, and didn't work. Do you really think that we could have "pleaded" with Hitler for peace? Or "pleaded" with Japan when the bombed Pearl Harbor?
On the other hand, when we bombed Khadafi in the 80s, terrorists didn't screw with us for YEARS.
This requires a huge, huge response. The aggressors set the rules. At the very least, invasion of the country that either sponsored, or allowed to happen, this terrorism must be made.
This "day of infamy" must not be allowed to stand.
Go W!
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
remember, when you hear someone say "pray for xxxxx", it's prayer that started this.
a battle over a piece of land in mythology. that is why 50000+ people died today.
when people say 'pray to god for the vicitms', what god do they mean? the god of the muslim palenstinians, or the jewish god of the israelis, or the catholic god???
it is all religion's fault.
wake up sheep, your sacred texts are no different then the stories lof odin, zeus, or thoth.
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Would everyone out there clamoring for retaliation please take a moment and consider why the US would be attacked in such a violent manner? Sometimes bullies get their asses kicked. Or, as the more popular saying goes, "live by the sword, die by the sword." These attacks are not unprovoked.
I'm much funnier now that I'm a subscriber.
And how many civilians are you prepared to murder to carry out this policy?
You are no better than bin Laden
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From what i can see, while i am very sorry for the loss of innocent life. i have absolutly no pity for the US as a whole.. US has been bulling people around for most of existance, DCMA, Canadian softwood tarrif(this put me out of work),etc,etc,etc.. im personally surprised that it took so long for somone for finally whoop their ass. they are simply getting what they deserve.. a proverb i think would fit well here is a nail standing up will eventualy get hammered down.. or keep sticking you neck out you will get your head cut off.
So what do we do? Wait until this same group of madmen perpetrates another atrocity. Go read your history books if you think that madmen and terrorists can be stopped by simply giving into their demands. Letting this act of aggression pass will only embolden the terrorists so that their next attack will be even worse.
Madmen, despots, and terrorists can only be opposed. Nations and groups that shelter such people can only be considered enemies, and treated as such. This attack will like prove as costly, in terms of human life, as Pearl Harbor and the United States of America will ignore it at its own peril.
This isn't some school yard squabble where nothing more important than pride is on the line. If we allow terrorists to go unpunished then we will never be safe again.
remember the past -- near or far -- and realize that the u.s. and its cronies are/were responsible for inflicting much anguish to the rest of the planet.
i am in no way justifying this unprecedented act of violence, but on the other hand you should be aware that there are a lot of people out there who are getting tired of your "righteous might" shoving everyone else about.
and please: let's avoid the childish pearl harbour / fdr references. that was sixty years ago and we are all in a very different situation now.
i wipe my ass with your stars and stripes
It's a square
The time for peace is over. We must identify who did this, find out where they are, go in after them, and wipe them off the face of the Earth. We will suffer more casualties doing it this way. Too bad. The death toll is going to exceed Pearl Harbor and approach if not exceed use of a tactical nuke. We are at war.
Its time for a lot of people to die. My personal feeling is that we should kill every man, woman, and child in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. This sort of crap needs to stop. The only way to stop it, is to kill every last one of those people.
Hey dumbass, the planes were from the states. It is YOUR crappy airport security that allowed these people through. Chances are pretty fucking good that the government of wherever the terrorists came from (if it IS terrorists) has no idea that they were planning to blow up large chunks of the U.S. I agree that this is a horrible thing that has happened, and something must be done to ensure that it doesn't happen again, but ANOTHER WAR IS NOT GOING TO FIX THIS!!!!!! Look at the arms situation. If it was a nuclear capable organization that did this, any attack from the U.S. is going to result in those nukes being used. At which point the trigger happy, arrogant, imperialistic American government, will enter the pissing contest with their nukes, at which point the world will be a smoldering piece of dust in an otherwise uncaring universe.
Start thinking with your brain instead of that mullet haircut I assume you have.
Build boards not bombs
A minor aside to the tragedy, perhaps worth considering a week from now. Bush has talked to the media twice now.
Note that he didn't fumble and stutter.
The man can speak well. His mumblemouth facade is an act.
Question is, why does he act like a moron? What's his goal, his payoff?
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nal 11
*BOOM*
WHAT HAPPEN?
SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB
WE GET SIGNAL
Terrorists: HA HA HA
ALL YOUR WTC ARE BELONG TO US
YOU WILL NEVER SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME
Dubya: TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE
There's a very simple way to eliminate terrorism. Start at the Mediteranean and blow up anything in a 1,000 mile radius of the shoreline. Poof: no more terrorism.
Hate to tell you this, but much of Europe has out-grown Christianity and the tooth fairy. If you want to start a religious war don't drag us into it. Religion is the cause of this crime, not the solution.
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
...fucking hubris - dont get so fucking high and mighty.. this shit is fucked up in the highest order, save your jingoist nationalism for the fucking masses.
Who's dick is biggest - who fucking cares, grow UP! YOUR BEING MANIPULATED - YOU ARE THE MORONIC MASSES!
Arabs are like Orcs... you have to kill them all, even the children. They're raised from birth being told that they will go to heaven for forwarding the jihad against the West.
Baby orcs, however cute and innocent, grow up to be big, nasty adult orcs. While it's technically genocide, that's really the option for true peace, and unfortunately it's not going to happen.
SHADDUP you pussy!
In a WAR, you fight back. When you're the US, you DESTROY the offending country (AFGHANISTAN). You also move remaining troops directly into Israel and declare war on the FUCKING ANIMAL RAGHEADS.
DEATH to the talibunghole! Death the responsible RAGHEADS!!! FUCK decency!! It means nothing now.
I disagree. It is our complacency that allowed them to breach security. Complacency should not be confused with Incompetence, in my book. I boarded a flight in the past three months where they did not even ask me the basics questions about how I handled my baggage. I knew that the ticket agent knew what she was supposed to do, and how to do it, and was probably capable of doing it well. She just didn't feel it was necessary any longer.
And if you don't think the US is capable of infiltrating _every_ plane in the offending country and ramming them into _every_ major landmark on their soil, you are a fool. Our guys would probably even live to tell about it, too. Thing is, we have laws that prevent us from doing exactly that. Funny thing too, the laws seem to be enough deterrent for the average United States Citizen. The attack was well planned, well executed, some might even say impressive. The biggest mass murder in history. On the scale of expertise available in the world, it was rank amateur. The Palestinians can rally in the streets today, and celebrate the mass extermination of human beings. I doubt they will have any streets in a few years, whether the US retaliates or not. That kind of hatred is a spiritual disease that will eventually lead to their own destruction.
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Also, don't forget this cryptic but seemingly relevant passage:
The heads of rag will tremble before they burn.
The fire will streak from the sky and scorch their land.
The land of the jockeys of the camel will be no more.
How are decent welfare crack headed niggers supposed to pay their bills.. if the whole world is donating blood. Come on guys. They thought of it first. They depend on it for their groceries. Don't take away the poor man's income.
We'll be lucky if that bastard doesn't round up any person who is a moslem in the US and put them in camps for orderly disposal.
I think that the US people have learned, and will soon have the lesson reinforced, what happens when you elect a president with WEAK foreign experience.
Point 1, is this a bad thing?
Point 2, he may have weak foreign experience, but his cabinet is quite the opposite and they make the calls anyway.
I wish I had not used up my mod points yesterday, so I could mod you down you stupid idiot. I am an american citizen, and I want a counterstrike, I want one now, I want whatever organization, person, country whatever, Blasted back to the GOD Damned stone age, leveled, nuked, invaded, strung up by the short and curlies. There is no peace, there is only war when, and deserved war when crap like this happens. I bet the prick(s) who did this got in the country on H1B Visa's. So lets throw all of them out of the country while we are at it.
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
1. Kill them all. Every last one of them. And anyone who ever cared about them. No one will be left to carry out revenge. No future generations will rise up.
OR
2. Forgive.
Since number two is not incumbent upon us, and we can not force another group to forgive, you seem to have hit upon the one solution that works.
I'm not saying it's a *good* solution, but the way to defeat terrorism is to eliminate terrorists. Since the initial killing of non-military personnel is generally caused by religious or philosophical beliefs taken to an extreme, the only way to deal with them is to eliminate those beliefs - eliminate those who believe.
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"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
The original
Yesterday, Dec. 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.
The modified
"Today, Sept. 11, 2001 - a date which will live in infamy, again - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by cowardly Islamic terriorist forces of the Milertistic group lead by Osama bin Laden."
Make no mistake. We are at war.
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The Slashdot articles regarding the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are literally filled with misinformation that is represented as fact. I can't help but wonder how many people are reading Slashdot and not bothering to verify the information.
Please, let's leave the high-risk reporting to those qualified to do it. You're doing more harm than good.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
Well, whoever did this is dead. Apparently, they were more than happy to die in order to piss off America.
Did he say "its ok because these civilians supported a government that we were at war with?"
How did he justify killing civilians, deliberately? With an atom bomb. That killed 70,000 instantly and 55,000 later from radiation poisoning?
So the question is, are civilians of an aggressive nation accountable for the actions of its government? If so, then Hiroshima was ok, but then so was this attack.
If not, of course, then I'm sure the US will happily bring to trial, or assasinate, its own diplomats who were fully aware of the civilian deaths in central america, africa, vietnam, indonesia, iraq...
The guy responsible for the deaths in central america (the disappeared) is about to take his place in the senate, I believe. Start with him, why dont you.
Dont get me wrong, I think the deaths are totally unacceptable. The question is, "How could they have been avoided?". Is there a change in US foreign policy that might reduce the suffering of the rest of the world cause by american aggression?
I see this Attack on the US, as a reaction to American Cultural Imperialism. You don't see anyone attacking Canada like this, because Canada supports diversity of cultures. I can only hope that Ammericans will see how out of sync their virtual reality is with other cultural environments in the rest of the world and the powerless americans. I grew up in South Africa during apartheid, and the whites always felt they were morally justified. Only mounting weight of dead demostrators and freedom fighters woke up the international community and only finally the regimes of political power.
If this is a war, it is a war of culture.
Notice, nobody has asked why someone would give up their life for these actions? Why are they so desperate? Why do these people have no other medium for expresion? Talk about democracy these people are voting with their lives.
The eye-witness (americans) think is this a movie, because that is the only way their culture represents these type of acts. Explosions == Movies. Violence is not real to americans, it is very real to the people who have commited to these acts of terrorfing horror.
Rethink america freedom and democracy, it's a joke. How can a system that claims to be open to the pillars of human desire -- freedom and self expression, have evolved to the point where such extreme action is the only way to critize it.
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I went to get some lunch at a grocery store near my office and I saw one shopping with his family. I chucked a pint of milk into the back of his head and skated! It knocked the towel right off his sandy little head! As I was running away I heard him yelling in gibberish, it was some funny shit.
There will be many more paybacks in the near future. Towelheads beware!
As for terrorism, what must it feel like to have americans pouring napalm on your children, or to be denied AIDS medicine because the WIPO is backed by the US military, or not be able to feed your family because you cannot resow a crop of seeds because they are patented.
Wake up.
What kind of an idiot assumes that cruise missiles are the only solution for any problem?
Republicans.
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Well, the USA got what it deserved... They believed that they are above other people and that their army and missile defences can protect them. They lived in a ignorance of what really happened in the rest of the world. Little countries can be a big problem of stomped on enough. Hopefully USA understand that they are not alone on the earth. They could try some more humanitary tactics before firing tons of missiles against anything that remotely looks like a terrorist... I truly hope that Bush WILL NOT respond with violence, if he does, he is not any better than the terrorists who did this...and hopefully Americans will understand that they are not the only superpower in the world... and before the next few thousand people lose their lives.
(Sorry for the bad language, i'm not a native english speaker)
You are completely fucked up, buddy.
Probably the same single fuckup that has tried to moderate my posts down, in the face of the dozens of up-moderations that they've received.
Lots of people figure you're wrong. Perhaps you should listen to them.
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These cowardly terrorist from some nameless organization in the Middle east (best working assumption thus far) have just done something they will wish they never have.
The only way to deal with terrorists is to respond in so overwhelming force, and hit them so hard, that they comprehend that their message was heard... and so was ours. Rather than attempting to constrain nations like Israel that practice what the media call "extrajudicial" extermination, we should be practicing it ourselves. If eliminating 20 people or 50 people would have saved these 10s of thousands, then that is worth the price.
Yeah, right now I might still be in shock. Fundamenatally I am feeling fury. Pure white hot fury. Those who perpetrated this heinous act are going to pay. And those that they care for are going to pay. And those that harbor these useless pond scum are going to pay.
The cold analysis is this: Terrorists used weapons of mass destruction against non-combatants on US soil. That folks, constitutes an act of war. A war where the opening volley was a cowardly thrust against non-combatants... with weapons of mass destruction.
As these cowards are unwilling to claim credit for their crime, and it appears less likely that they are from one particular nation-state, it is difficult to declare a well defined war against a particular entity.
It is imperative to figure out precisely who is responsible though. Once this is determined, war needs to be waged, with appropriate weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, there will be the peacenick's who insist that bullets never solved anything. Actually two atomic bombs ended the pacific war more than half a century ago. Materiel' has solved problems. You might not like the method, but the outcome is decided.
The only way to provide a deterrant to future attacks is to make an excruciatingly painful example of these people. Not tit-for-tat, but completely overwhelming. They use WOMD, we use WOMD. Ours are somewhat more powerful. Time to use them.
As Heinlein noted in one of his novels, the use of overwhelming force has decided most of the conflicts in the history of humans. Diplomacy has simply postponed the use of force, not alleviated it.
Look and see who is dancing in the streets cheering this act. Look and see who is horrified. Those who cheer this are complicit. They deserve the same treatment coming to the perps. Not tit-for-tat. Wholesale destruction.
They call us the great satan? Time to live up to the name folks... lets sent these assholes to hell where they belong.