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Maxtor's ATA-133 Does 160GB
B. Galliart writes "ExtremeTech has an article about Maxtor's two new bleeding edge ATA-133 drive models coming out later this month. The most interesting of these is the 160 Gigabyte DiamondMax Plus D540X (priced around $400) which uses Maxtor's purposed "BigDrive" 48-bit address space instead of the common E/IDE 28-bit address space thus getting pass the 137GB barrier. The drive should be useable on existing computers due to a bundled Promise Technologies ATA-133 PCI card."
For most of the applications the rotation speed is more important than the ATA standard. This determines the access time.
I prefer an ATA-66 @ 7200 rpm above an ATA-100 @ 5400
The nice thing about Windows is: it does not just crash; it displays a nice little dialog box and let's you press 'OK'
With 8 of those drives (which would fit into a regular PC with RAID controler) you could finally reach a Terabyte. Gee, now no point in compressing those CDs into MP3, might as well keep them in clean WAVE files :)
I didn't know that there was a problem with drives over 137GB in IDE. Is there an extension planned? Or are we doomed to proprietary extensions from here on out?
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It's gone. That glowing feeling I normally get when I realize that a hard drive twice as big as my current one will cost half as much because one four times as big is now on the market... just isn't there today. The handful of comments that are already on this story are saying that it's not time for regular mundane tech stories, and to a degree. But a part of me is glad that life is moving on, and that the horrifing news is no longer supplanting the mundane news. In time, we'll all have that glowing feeling produced by Moore's law. People have died and property has been destroyed, and I'm sad about that just like many other people. On the other hand, terrorism only fails by failing to induce terror, so I say bring on the 160GB hard drives and 2Ghz processors and the 1 cubic centimeter webservers.
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"We're all sons of bitches now." --J. Robert Oppenheimer
A lot of people are saying that it's not appropriate to go back to tech stories, in the face of what happened yesterday.
But one thing to consider is that terrorism seeks to disrupt our lives as much as possible.
Even not knowing who "they" are, we can best combat them by going back to "life as usual," while never forgetting what has happened. It's not insensitivity, it's showing strength in the face of a threat.
IMHO, of course.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
Give the guy a break. Just because he's posting a submission doesn't mean he's forgotten or is over the shock and sadness of what happened.
I'd like to commend Slashdot for rallying the crowd to give blood. I'm sure CmdrTaco and the rest did a lot for those directly affected by the attacks by that simple measure.
If it was my dad buried in the rubble right now, I'd:
a) Not be reading slashdot, I'd be out there helping or at least donating blood.
b) Happy that other people were getting on with their lives rather than stopping everything to watch over my shoulders like vultures and revel in my misery.
If on the other hand I was someone from another part of the world, I'd:
a) Not stop my entire life every time there was an act of terrorism or racism or un-democratic election somewhere in the world.
b) Be sorry for your dad, but not any more than I am for all the other people who die in less middle-class white newsworthy places.
If we want to hear more about the terrorism we can go to cnn.com etc, but most of what the media is saying today has zero information content - they keep showing the vids, 'experts' keep coming up with ideas and theories, but until there is some identification of the group involved it has no impact on my day to day business, which keeps going as usual. It hasn't changed anything in Scotland, aside from our car park security guard checking a little more carefully.
Granted, I keep checking back to see updates on casualties and it is a relief every time more survivors are rescued, but I do that through other sites.
Slashdot - news for nerds - HD specs definitely come into that category. On with the day.
However i'm horrified about the recent happenings in NYC and DC i think it is a good idea to go on with our lives... not as if nothing happened... but to show people that we cannot be stopped by terrorism, how terrible the attacks have been..
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So... Does this mean ATAPI is becomming a better technology than SCSI? I fitted my most important machines with SCSI material because i always felt that that was the better choice. But with recent technological advancements (ATAPI RAID etc..) i am beginning to think it would be best to stick with the cheaper ATAPI.
Am i right or wrong?
Get them now.
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Tasty 160Gb with no built in copy protection governors? They'll be quite a bit more on the black market in a few years. Get em while you can.
-Kasreyn
Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger
"Extended" LBA commands are part of the ATA-6 standard (or proposed standard, or whatever it's marked as today). They give 48-bit address spaces. I suspect Maxtor is using this; if not, hopefully it will be soon.
Hope that's helpful.
It allows me to (for instance) do high-quality digital video editing work, keeping multiple copies of everything I do.
I allows larger organisations to keep massive streaming video collections. If CNN want to keep hold of all the footage they produce in a day, they can now do it on a couple of Hard Drives, rather than the massive clusters they needed before.
It means I can take my Tivo and tell it to hit every news program, all the cartoon channel and anything with the word "Trek" in it, then come back and throw away what I don't want later.
It's not going to affect how many Word Documents I store, but it could mean that I can store every phone conversation I ever have, just in case anyone points the finger at tech-support.
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I need such a harddisk in my next TiVO, VCR-Replacement, whatever system. You can store over 200 movies on a single disk, instead of using 50 tapes, so I think this _is_ smth. useful.
For all those whining, that there are no EIDE 15Krpm drive available, I have the following question:
What for? Faster access times? You gotta be kidding, if I want smth. it's probably a high sustained data rate and thats mainly affected by the density the data is packed on the physical disks within the HDD.
Access time is important for db-boxes, not for my home entertainment super-station.
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So, no offence or troll intended, but this is still slashdot. News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. The terrorist attacks on the US are definitely stuff that matters, but not news for nerds. Maxtor's new drives are both. Just because they don't matter compared to maybe 50,000 people losing their lives doesn't mean they're not important, especially when you consider that, while the attacks on the United States have global implications, they are not affecting the productivity of non-US slashdot readers (except for economic ramifications), and these drives are going to be important next month, when the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon are no longer current.
Don't get me wrong; I do sympathise, and I don't mean to sound callous, but slashdot is about tech news, and a new 160 GB ATA 133 drive is big tech news. You can't allow the entire country, or the entire world, to grind to a halt because of these attacks. That is what the attackers would find the most satisfaction in. Maybe I'll get downmodded and flamed, but I say kudos to the slashdot crew for being business as usual; it's appreciated, and maybe even a necessary distraction to some. I know you don't care, but some people do. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh.
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What will happen now when other manufacturers release their new hard drives? Will all controller manufacturers have to keep updating their controllers to include support for everyone's proprietary ATA extensions or will they all have firmware so you can use whichever driver matches your drive?
What if your brand new 330 GB slave drive isn't from the same manufacturer as the master one? Will you there be "multi-BIOS" capable controllers or are you gonna need one card for each drive, eating up all your IRQs?
Does this call for a "next big thing" to replace the IDE/ATA standard or will we get ourselves into the same awkward situation that gave us MS-DOS' "memory management" back then, i.e. a patch to patch the patch that fixed the patch?
160 GB on one drive does sound cool, but I hope some standard is on the horizon. Something as fundamental as a hard drive shouldn't be left to conflicting proprietary standards..
>160GB? How many people can actually use that much space?
I dunno, that's only about, what, 40 hours of video, right?
Yeah, I can fill that up.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Will this work in a generic ATA-1394 conversion box?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Did you know that a couple of children dies every second from starvation? Or that 22 million people are currently fugitives of totalitarian regimes? Or that thousands people somewhere in the world are being tortured for their political views on a daily basis? What's more, this has been so, more or less, for every second of your life.
So either never read Slashdot, and donate blood every minute of your waking life or whatever, or stop trolling. It's not more ethically wrong to read about harddrives now than any other day.
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Just buy twice as many drives, and have two physically seperate computers, preferably in different buildings, or at least in different rooms, on different circuits. Combine this with RAID1 or 5 if you want.
Hard disks are so cheap, the preferred media to back up a hard disk becomes another hard disk.
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I have to worry-
with the lull in any news about CPRM, I worry that they'll announce a spectacular product like this, and not tell anyone that it has CPRM inside.
That way, they can be ready for the SSSCA if/when it comes.
Now, I don't know if this drive has CPRM in it or not, but I think I'm justified in being scared and cautious- I'll stock up on 80gb drives before I buy something with CPRM in it.
Hard drive technology is getting silly. 160GB? How many people can actually use that much space?
I do. Do you know how much space Radio Synthesis Imaging takes to analyse? The 2 people I work with and I have very very nearly filled our 2 35 gig drives. And I have only been working on my project for a year. I still have 3 months left on this project, and have only completed 2/3 of all my data reduction. Unless physics buy us a new disk (not likely, given the current university funding situation in Australia), we will run out in a couple of weeks.
How many people that have that much data actually put it on IDE drives? My machines have 20 and 13 GB drives and I don't have any space shortages.
You dont? My desktop has 13 gigs, and is nearly full (uni work, some of my CD's as mp3 format, data files), and my laptop has 20gigs and is nearly full (more data, more mp3's, a build of mozilla and X). As for our data disks - they are on commodity hardware running SunOS i86pc, since speed does not matter when the programs we run are limited by the 100Mbit ethernet and the CPU speeds on the ultra10, so IDE makes sense.
What I do have is speed shortages. Same old worn out technology. Mechanical storage devices... moving parts... fragmentation headaches... ugh!!! We need *new* technology.
You care to invent some for us?
In the mean time, how about making 10KRPM IDE drives, or 15KRPM. I always wonder why SCSI drives are always faster internally, because I'm pretty damn sure it has nothing to do with them being SCSI. Why not just slap an IDE controller on that new Cheetah and see what happens?
Ever noticed that SCSI cabling is complex? Need to terminate the cables, need to be under a certain length, need to be this thick fat expensive stuff? It is all related to the bandwidth it is required to handle. I'm pretty sure there is a bit of physics holding back anything better, at least for now....
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I love the speed bandwidth increases and the barrier breaking stuff but how compatibile will this be? I have a near useless maxtor ata-100 40gigger that on ocassion will run under winme/2k but not at all under linux. I should say the drive runs fine its the adapter card that runs like snot. when it runs is runs well but thats rare. the maxtor card is a rebranded promise tech card. i understand that with some tinkering one can get the card to run under linux but I don't want to tinker essential hardware to make it run. it just should. i expect hardships with video or sound hardware but not with a bloody ata card. sorry ranting to take my mind off things falling from the sky.
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Maxtor's so called Big Drive technology is no more than an implementation of the spec. ATA/ATAPI-6 specifies a 48 bit address scheme, giving a new upper limit of 2^48*512 bytes, or 128 petabytes.
Also, the limitation is not 137 GB, it's 128 GB. And Maxtor's new drives are not 160 GB, they're slightly more than 149 GB. These mistakes are what happen when you start believing "drive manufacturer math".
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do any kind of reasonable backup of media of this size? As hard disks scale up to the point where a single drive holds hundreds of hours of my video, thousands of hours of my audio, all of the e-textbooks I've ever used (if you believe in that), and every document I've ever written (no matter how trivial), how do I mitigate, at reasonable cost, the risk associated with a hard disk failure? CDR doesn't seem to cut it, I'll probably have video files larger than a single CDR can hold. High-capacity tape is expensive, and the time to dump a significant portion of a 160G disk to tape is probably excessive. Will writable DVD get cheap? Am I forced into some sort of second hard disk?
That's the thing, the mechanisms aren't the same. They often spin faster (10K, 15K), seek faster, are more reliable (>10^6 MTBF), have bigger buffers, and so on. IDE mechanisms are cheap. There's a little overlap at IDE's high end and SCSI's low end where they may share a mechanism. If there were a Cheetah-15K/IDE it would cost about the same as a Cheetah-15K/SCSI.
Maybe it's your board, connector, BIOS, or other piece of hardware. It is highly unlikely that the hard drive itself would be bad after you exchange it. But in case it is, ask them for another one. If that one will arrive not working, then I bet you that it's something on your side.
Beside that, a really nice thing about Maxtor is that they provide warranty and exchanges for ANY of their drives, including OEM. They are the best in support and warranties in the industry.
IBM does not cover any of their OEM drives under warranty, they won't even send you a replace. Seagate and WD provide warranty services on a case-to-case basis, and most of the cases there is a timeline you can get an exchange.
With Maxtors, there are no limitations, which means that for the money you put in them you will get the worth of them.
Uh, you're an idiot. Maxtor drives are the best, and fail far less often than drives from Seagate (I've bought Seagate drives and had them die, not just one or two, but LOTs) and when I used Maxtor drives in those same systems, they worked FLAWLESSLY. As the other replier pointed out, Maxtor also has awesome warranty coverage, usually going so far as to send you a replacement the SAME DAY YOU CALL **BEFORE** you send in your broken drive (yes, they require a credit card number in case you don't follow through on shipping it in). It doesn't get much better than that.
The other drives I like are Western Digital, but as far as JUNK goes, Seagate (for IDE devices!) sucks ass. IMHO, SCSI drives from Seagate are of a much higher quality though...
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problem with drives over 137GB in IDE
On a somewhat similar note, I just purchased an 7200rpm 80gb WD drive to replace my ailing 12gb Bigfoot. For some reason, Win2k would not let me format any partition on it greater than 30gb or so. I'm stuck with dividing it into 3 partitions. I can't seem to find any documentation on it, so would anyone have any clue as to why this so?
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