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More Mapping of the Net

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the stuff-to-see dept.

An anonymous reader wrote in to say"It turns out that famous map was not the end of it, a cybergeography alert linked to this site with lots of cool pictures and animations. Turns out they didn't measure time between hosts on the poster map, and it can be used to make cool pix!"

109 comments

  1. mirror attempt... by complex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i tried to grab at least the images linked to directly on the front page, in the hope that i could mirror them, or at least pass them on to someone else to mirror them. this was when the article had only 4 responses (all -1, of course).

    the site was already toast. i got half of one image.

    wouldn't it be cool if slashdot could choose 5 or 10 trusted people (slashdot users who had previously performed a good public service and mirrored old articles) to get the story 5-8 minutes early?

    complex

    1. Re:mirror attempt... by Ghoser777 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Works now. Although the server is obviusly feeling the strain of the slashdot effect.

      I'm kind of curious on how google cache works. Would it be possible for slashdot to add these websites to the cache before the story is posted?

      F-bacher

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    2. Re:mirror attempt... by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe we ahould ask the NSA if they have a copy?

    3. Re:mirror attempt... by Jac_no_k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a mirror for some of the images:
      http://ocs.thq.com/jsuzuki/sep122001/_con.jpg
      http://ocs.thq.com/jsuzuki/sep122001/layout2.gif

    4. Re:mirror attempt... by Emperor+Cezar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And, What makes this message a Troll?

    5. Re:mirror attempt... by ThymePuns · · Score: 1
      Better yet, why not make a P2P client and have one perosn download the files first, then set it up so everyone can just download from everyone else...


      I'm sure this has been thought of and discussed before, and I'm pretty sure someone even has a real client for distributing web pages P2P, so I claim no responsability for the plan, but i still think it'd be better than having mirror after mirror taken down.

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    6. Re:mirror attempt... by suwain_2 · · Score: 1
      Another idea would be *much* easier to code, and wouldn't require anything on /.'s part. I suspect people might have already created this:

      People who have a ton of bandwidth could simply write a small Perl (or whatever language... I just happen to like Perl) script to occasionally refresh /.'s page, looking for new links, following them, and mirroring a couple links deep...

      I've thought about this a lot, actually, guess it's just that I have no life. ;) An idea like this has one major disadvantage - if everyone and their cousin has a script running to do this, Slashdot will be driven off the web by tens of thousands of these programs...

      The 'best' solution would be to have a small cache of pages on Slashdot - you could even call it "SlashCache". :) There's been a lot of discussion about the legal risks of doing this; seemingly valid arguments have been presented showing that Slashdot could find themselves in huge trouble. However, Google has been doing this for quite some time, and, to the best of my knowledge, has never had any legal problems.

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    7. Re:mirror attempt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah. I was actually suggesting that to someone this morning. Why does slashdot even bother posting URLs if they die minutes later?

    8. Re:mirror attempt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      S(Madame)ir,
      It is apparent to me that you pronounce cache cash -- it's not. It's c-aye-sh. Please die.

      Thank you.

  2. More Posters by Diplomat73 · · Score: 1

    I dont know whats up. But all these links are not working for me. Does anyone else have that problem?? Anyway one of the best places to get the current internet map is from Think Geek but thats just me.

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    1. Re:More Posters by echomonkey · · Score: 1
      Too bad the pics are already Slashdotted. Everyone will have that problem for a while. It's called the Slashdot Effect.

      The Slashdot Effect is when a server gets bogged down with requests because a link to it was posted on Slashdot. I'm not totally sure about what happens, but that's as much as I can say.

      Just helpin out some fellow /. newbies ;-)

    2. Re:More Posters by Oztun · · Score: 1, Troll

      Now we need a new term when a major event happens and we can't get to Slashdot. Maybe the terrorist effect?

    3. Re:More Posters by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      I actually used the term "Slashdotted" with a geek friend regarding CNN at 10:30am on the day of the bombing and there was no doubt in his mind what I meant. I really think its the best way to describe the situation. I described to my wife that the April '00 DDOS against CNN, MSNBC, EBay and others simulated with 52 machines what 10 million people had just acheived that morning.

      My former manager was from London and he used the term "fell over" for servers that died under extreme loads. I always envisioned someone scaring sheep to make them faint whenever I heard that phrase.

      BOO!

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  3. Mirror by imgaming.com · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have two of the files mirrored on my server right now.
    Someone mind helping? I dont think it will handle a heavy /. for too long :)

    con.jpg
    VRML1.jpg

  4. Vote for a Slashdot Cache by brute4ce · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What about a slashdot cache similar to the Google cache. Before things are posted on /. they automatically get cached and hosted on /. (which can handle *a lot* of traffic.

    Babes for the Geek

    1. Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache by itsnotme · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      that idea was answered in the slashdot FAQ, basically they dont do that because they would have to get the permission of the authors, and would be at risk for copyright violation and so on and they'd have to be worried about keeping the cache up to date.. so they just link to it..

      also they dont cache it because some of the site owners earn money by people seeing the site so the cache would take money away from them.. you know those dorky banner ads actually do make money when people see them so thats why a cache is also a bad idea.. they need to make money.

    2. Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, we definitly should have a slashdot cache.

    3. Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. Does Google have the permission of the authors?

      No?

      Thank you very much, case closed.

  5. Sound's like a great Idea! by orionpi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    One could set up an account with a script that would auto mirror the site when it recived an email. I'm sure someone here could set that up. The script could then respond once/if it successfully mirrored the site and those links could be posted in the story

  6. Personal Experience with these maps by bentini · · Score: 5, Informative
    The site is down, so pardon me if I'm thinking of the wrong thing. But if these are the same as the famous internet maps, they're damn cool.

    I remember when Bill Cheswick started making them. At the time, both he and my dad were at Bell Labs. He even printed two different views out for me to hang on my dorm room hall. But these have interesting research aspects in small parts. The first is mapping the internet. Damn. He has daily logs going way back, and on his website has videos of the IP's of Bosnia blinking on and off during the days of bombing them. (Google search for him). It's incredible.

    But the visualization has interesting problems. My dad did some interesting work on the computational geometry structure that allowed for these things to be visualized. They have various springiness between all the connections that eventually reach the state that's displayed. The colors can be assigned in various ways (the one I remember is that each different part of the IP address is a component of RGB). It's an amazing effort that's a lot less hype and a lot more science than we might think.

    For more info, the book Programming Pearls by Jon Bentley has mention of it (my copy is packed away, otherwise I would cite it), if obscure. But if you want to do cool stuff like this, it's important to remember that it's not just scripts, cs theory can help everywhere! A useful lesson to take to heart.

    -Dan

    1. Re:Personal Experience with these maps by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      Of course, there are an almost infinite number of ways to visualize the internet.

      It is interesting to see how people handle the various dimensions.

      Map making is a long and honored geek advocation, going all the way back to ancient times.

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  7. The Map by Phoex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From what I've seen of the map (I love previews on Think Geek) it almost looks like a fractal pattern, very organic at the very least, does anyone know if that was purposeful or just another odd facet of the Internet?

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    1. Re:The Map by hburch · · Score: 5, Informative

      As the writer of the layout code, I can tell you it was certainly not a design goal. The original goal was just to be able to look at the results of the traceroutes that were being collected.

      Via a variety of bugs in the layout code over the years, I've produced interesting images, such as rings, clovers, and (my favorite) hearts. However, they almost always have a fractal feel at the micro-level. This is true for almost any Eades-like layout that I've seen, so it's probably a function of the layout algorithm.

      Interestingly enough, corporate networks layout much differently that the Internet. Corporate networks tend to be very clean, while the Internet is very stringy (almost looks like the strands within some fiberglass).

    2. Re:The Map by flufffy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      considering that the internet can be seen as a complex system (in the sense of complexity theory) it would not be surprising if maps of it did not also exhibit some fractal structure.

      for some interesting stuff on complex internet structure, see xerox parc's 'internet ecologies' area at http://www.parc.xerox.com/istl/groups/iea/.

  8. Re:Mirror (another one) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's another mirror, made from this comment's parent's mirror:
    con
    cvrml1
    This is my third try posting it, the lameness filter is causing me real trouble, is it worth it? Can't we just mod -1 lame instead of asking a PERL script to do it?

  9. Re:... by Oztun · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    HUH? I must of missed something unless you are refering to one of the WTC buildings.

  10. Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what's worse, the Hall of Fame has stopped working too.

  11. What it really needs though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is a big arrow labelled

    "YOU ARE HERE"

    1. Re:What it really needs though... by while(1)fork()0x42 · · Score: 1

      ...and some kind of spacing... it just looks like random garbage with big circles thrown in.

    2. Re:What it really needs though... by Sir_Real · · Score: 2

      I know this was a joke... But damn that would be cool... Just like on those internet sites where you can see an arial of the street you live on... It would be cool to be able to see the representation of say, your subnet...

      Andrew

  12. Small mirror of the pictures by iocc · · Score: 1

    His site is not down. Just VERY slashdotted. http://www.flashdance.cx/ipmap/ is mirror of the pictures. I didnt have time to download the mpegs in 400 bytes/s. I used 5 different ISPs to get it.

  13. linkmapping by huphtur · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out this page: http://milov.nl/linkthispage.php
    A Dutch doo (milov.nl) wrote a cool little linkmapping device. In his words: "Using a combination of PHP and Javascript-DOM-scripting, the structure on this page will grow in different directions depending on the number of referrers that link to it."

  14. too bad none of the links work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too bad none of the links work

    dont you guys test these before posting?

  15. They need to edit the map already, by Soko · · Score: 2

    since thier server was just slashdotted _off_ of the very same map. Heh.

    <troll>
    And all you mirror hounds - back off. Some day these idiots will learn that you don't post something on the net that the /. crowd will think is cool unless you have access to via a T3.
    </troll> ;-)

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    1. Re:They need to edit the map already, by Judas96' · · Score: 1

      From what I have seen not everybody KNOWS BEFOREHAND that their site is going to be posted on Slashdot's frontpage. If I didn't know about it until I was already slashdotted and on the phone with a very angry webhosting service I would personally be pissed off that I wasn't informed beforehand. But maybe that is just me being paranoid and wanting to know what the hell is going on with my own website. I am sure most site owners would be more than happy to pay the bandwidth bill that they receive due to a Slashdot posting.

  16. broken videos by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can anybody out there convert the corrupted MPEG videos to a working format? They claim to be MPEG, but are not valid MPEG files.

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    1. Re:broken videos by Sir_Real · · Score: 2

      The are not corrupt. mpeg_encode (the software from Berkeley he used to encode these doesn't output mpegs the way MSMP likes). He suggests XAnim for Linux. There are other Windows alternatives listed at davecentral that you might want to look into.

      Andrew

    2. Re:broken videos by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      MSMP doesn't like them because they are corrupt - not in valid MPEG format. He admits this on the page, but mentions that XAnim plays them anyway (perhaps XAnim ignores the invalid header?)

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  17. Bill Cheswick's site by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ches/map/index.html

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    1. Re:Bill Cheswick's site by Deliverator · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's
      http://research.lumeta.com/ches/map/index.html

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    2. Re:Bill Cheswick's site by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Umm, those two sites are mirrors of each other.

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  18. Site isn't actually down by fractalus · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just the pipe out to the net is clogged, the CPU is 91% idle right now. I'm sorry it's not the world's fattest pipe, but it does handle normal traffic without problems. Bandwidth costs money, y'know? Keep trying and your requests may squeak through.

    Anyone who wants to mirror the entire page, with the embedded graphics, is welcome to, to make the material more accessible. Steve updates this page from time to time, so don't expect your mirror to stay current forever.

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    1. Re:Site isn't actually down by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should concider a site redesign. There is a large number of fairly large images on the http://www.fractalus.com/steve/stuff/ipmap/ page.

      It is really cool though (:

      ~LoudMusic

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  19. A mostly complete mirror? by helixblue · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's been a great week to test my read-ahead public web caching (not without it's bugs).. it automagically grabbed the site for me luckilly, though it took a loooong time. I'm not sure if this is still needed, but try My mirror of fractalus on 12sep2001

    Has most of the images on it. Be warned, this poor box is already pseudo-slashdotted due to some other mirrored content at the moment, and my poor cable modem can't handle too much more pounding (I set Roxen to throttle at 40K/s outgoing).

    So, please mirror it -- but ONLY if you post the URL to the mirror here. It's still grabbing some of the images, so be patient.

    1. Re:A mostly complete mirror? by helixblue · · Score: 1

      BTW, it should be complete, save for the mpeg's.. I killed those in the interest of saving my bandwidth. I'll re-chmod em back tommorow or so, but by then you should be able to get it from the real site or another mirror.

      Yeesh.. 3 hours to get modded up.

  20. Re:Dumb Moderators! by Nasheer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I think I saw somewhere before posting it something like "Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs! Don't forget the http://!".
    Or maybe I saw "You should have used the preview button" after posting...

    Nevermind... it's already done.

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  21. traceroute by austad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone could take the data that they used to make the still images, and made a traceroute utility that flew down each wire "quake-style" towards each network cloud, that would be cool.

    Totally useless, but cool.

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    1. Re:traceroute by hburch · · Score: 1

      It doesn't allow you to pick the host, and it's only a subset of the Internet (since otherwise the rendering is slow and not very pretty), but this VRML file does show the 'Internet as it looks to a packet.' (the moving viewpoint may not be the default one).

  22. Re:Dumb Moderators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but would you have called it a troll? look at the comments.

  23. Map in light of US attacks? by mysta · · Score: 1

    Someone earlier mentioned an animation of the maps while Bosnia was attacked. Is there any similiar traceroute data before/during/after the recent terrorism on the US?

    I by no means want to belittle the loss of human life because of this tragedy. I think it's unbelievably horrid and my thoughts and hope go out to the victims and their family and friends. I just think this would show us another dimension to the disaster.

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    1. Re:Map in light of US attacks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how that would belittle the US victims, unless the previous comment on Bosnia bellitles the Bosnian victims, of course.
      You die just as horridly and regretably from military bombs as you do from terrorist airplanes.

  24. ARPANET map circa 1986 by SimHacker · · Score: 4, Informative
    The net was a lot simpler to map in 1986:

    http://catalog.com/hopkins/arpanet/index-large.htm l

    This is the network of IMPs (Interface Message Processors) that comprised the ARPANET in 1986.

    -Don

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  25. Could it be? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

    Is this the first sighting of a space dredger?

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  26. Re:... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that in his own feeble way he was attempting to be funny. But as I recall this same forum spews endless jokes about any other catastrophe ( the concorde comes to mind ) without anyone meaning any harm.
    Why should an American catastrophe be different ?

  27. Maps, shmaps! by NotoriousQ · · Score: 1

    I found the end of internet

    And what the hell is this: Your comment violated the postercomment compression filter. Comment aborted

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  28. official mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have put a mirror over here in the UK.

    This is just some random text to try and circumvernt the silly filter.

  29. partial mirror by mosch · · Score: 2

    http://overtone.org/sass/fractalus.com/steve/stuff /ipmap/ contains as much of a mirror as I was able to get. Unfortunately the original site got turned into a 404 zone while I was still wget'ing.

    1. Re:partial mirror by mosch · · Score: 2

      I lied, the above is now a complete mirror.

  30. Site has been relocated by fractalus · · Score: 1

    And the old links now redirect to the new site at CASA.

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  31. Whole Exhibit at the Guggenheim... by michaelwexler · · Score: 1

    Look at http://guggenheim.org/exhibitions/virtual/index.ht ml to see the great virtual exhibits, including Cyberatlas (reachable directly at http://cyberatlas.guggenheim.org/home/index.html). These are some of the most innovative of the many "internet maps", reflecting the variety of ways to understand the internet as a communications medium.

    Michael

  32. Re:Dumb Moderators! by Nasheer · · Score: 1

    You're right.
    The concept of "funny" has skyrocketed.

    Next pool:

    What is funny?
    - Geek joke
    - Comments in the SRC
    - Dark jokes (WTC, Hyroshima/Nagasaki, Death of Ayrton Senna...)
    - Cowboy Neal.

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  33. Re:Hey moderators! by Nasheer · · Score: 1

    Offtopic is OK, but Troll???

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