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Current WTC happenings: The FBI is searching ISPs with FISA warrants. Architects and civil engineers are starting to speculate on why the towers collapsed. Pictures: NASA, a powerful photoessay, newspaper headlines. Current investigation news: LA Times, NY Times, CNN. They're finally starting to mention casualty figures. Finally, bjb writes: "It isn't the hollywood blockbuster of a story, but I'm a daily reader of Slashdot, and I was on the 38th floor of the WTC 1 building when the first plane hit. Oh, and I was reading Slashdot at the time. You can read about my experience here. It was originally an email that I sent out to friends and family, but I was asked by NPR's Talk of the Nation to make it a web page."
I just hope that US wont do anything stupid, like bomb some country to stoneage, and while doing it, kill thousands of innocent people in the name of justice and democracy. It would be like throwing gasoline to flames. But then again, US has a long history of lynching people, but instead of the town doing the act the US has called other villages to help. Just great..
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The more I think about this, the more I think the WTC/Pentagon disaster is an early warning just like Pearl Harbor. Americans in both the 1930s and the 1990s were effectively isolationist. Last night I saw a survivor interview that the guy ended with the statement, almost in tears, "Why can't you keep your stupid wars over there?" These events show that the war was NEVER just "over there". But if it's going to be fought with American casualties, then by God I want it fought in some desert in the middle of nowhere instead of downtown Manhattan. We have conquered dozens of nations, installed rational govenments and come home against far more organized opponents than this. We can do it again, and should. Islamic fundamentalism is just as dangerous to the world as National Socialism (Nazi) ever was. FORGET THE MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD - WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THESE GUYS COLD ***NOW*** BEFORE THEY GET NUKES. If we don't, then in ten or twenty years instaed of four jetliners it's going to be FOUR CRATERS where San Francisco, Boston, Miami and Chicago used to be, delivered by boats smuggling plutonium instead of cocaine. Yes, I know we don't have a target today and we must not go off half cocked. But when we get a target, a plan and resources ready, we must GO!
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The more I think about this, the more I think the WTC/Pentagon disaster is an early warning just like Pearl Harbor. Americans in both the 1930s and the 1990s were effectively isolationist. Last night I saw a survivor interview that the guy ended with the statement, almost in tears, "Why can't you keep your stupid wars over there?" These events show that the war was NEVER just "over there". But if it's going to be fought with American casualties, then by God I want it fought in some desert in the middle of nowhere instead of downtown Manhattan. We have conquered dozens of nations, installed rational govenments and come home against far more organized opponents than this. We can do it again, and should. Islamic fundamentalism is just as dangerous to the world as National Socialism (Nazi) ever was. FORGET THE MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD - WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THESE GUYS COLD ***NOW*** BEFORE THEY GET NUKES. If we don't, then in ten or twenty years instaed of four jetliners it's going to be FOUR CRATERS where San Francisco, Boston, Miami and Chicago used to be, delivered by boats smuggling plutonium instead of cocaine. Yes, I know we don't have a target today and we must not go off half cocked. But when we get a target, a plan and resources ready, we must GO!
If the hi-jackers took control of the plane then they would surely lock the door to the cockpit - thats the natural response when your out numbered by 100 people. if that was so, then they would be able to fly where they liked without being rushed. If the passengers had regained full control, then they wouldn't go crashing into the ground. They would have been talked down by the controllers. If there was a struggle in the cockpit, then the passengers would have waited until the last minute until they pushed the nose down. The terrorists would try to fly to the nearest populated area before giving up on such a large operation.
Has anyone seen any major wreckage from the 4th plane, such as the tail? If you look at other crash photos, this almost always survives. Unless of course, the plane was hit from the back by a missile which could disintegrate the back of the plane. Would Bush really shoot down a passenger jet and then try to cover it up? did Bill Clinton F*ck and lie? you bet'cha ass.
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There is a big difference between the Nazis and 'Islamic Fundamentalism'. The Nazis created themselves and had decided that Germany should be the dominant power in Europe. 'Islamic Fundamentalism' is a reaction to sustained policies of the West, led by America.
The rights of the Palestinians have been systematically trampled. In the Persian Gulf America supports random despotic regimes based merely on their support for American interests. Let us not forget that Bin Laden was supported by the CIA when it was convenient for him to fight in Afghanistan. Sadam was backed when it was convient to oppose the Iranian government that was in itself created to remove the American backed dictatorship of the Shah.
I know this is anti American but I should say that I am not. I honestly believe that America does tend to support Freedom and Democracy. However this is not the case in the Middle East. If it was these acts would not be taking place.
President Bush was correct when he called this a war. The only thing is that he didn't realise which war this was like. It's Vietnam all over again. The United States' aims are vague and are basically that the US and Israel can do whatever they want without respecting the values that they hold dear in the rest of the world. And think about this, why did the US withdraw from Vietnam ? Because it was immoral or because the cost to the US in lives and resources became too great.
The US should learn from it's mistakes and apply the values which it purports to hold dear everywhere.
What you are proposing is to fix the symptoms and not the cause. Fix the cause, be true to democracy and peace. First of all engage Iran, Iran has recovered from it's extremism and now has a president and a population who are desparate to return into the world system. Then, either invade Iraq or end the blockade, whose death count dwarves the loss of life in the US over the past few days. Finally, and this is the most difficult part, force Israel to make peace. Israel has a right to exist, but that right cannot include the right to persecute Palestinians. This is the only way and it will eventually happen. What you are proposing, the persecution of 'Islamic Fundamentalism' comes dangerously close to the persecution of Islam. There are 1.3 Billion muslims. The US cannot tell all these people that holy shrines that they have had for 1000 years they cannot have, or that their religion is babaric.
The US can stop these attacks. But it is not by further war. A truly amazing president, like Nixon, must realise that this is a conflict in which the US must understand it's own actions and change it's behaviour. America is a truly great country, perhaps the greatest in history, however this does not mean all US actions are correct.
No amount of 'inconveniencing' will give me the safety I crave. [...] Repeat it over and over as a mantra until you achieve enlightenment.
The thing about single sentence philosophy is that it's simple, easy to understand -- and wrong.
I could list endless examples where people put up with inconvenience for relative safety, but let me give example that's more relevent: World War II. We gave up HUGE civil liberties during the war, because it was necessary to win the war. From travel restrictions to food restrictions to speech restrictions. And then guess what? The war ended, and civil liberties came back.
Now, I'm not necessarily in favor of overreacting when it comes to airport restrictions. But on the other hand, let's not overreact when people want to take extra precautions. We are at war. Hopefully it will be a short war, but I think it's time to cut the government a little slack.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
I don't pray to your god.
My god says that when you're attacked, you turn the other cheek.
You say Jihad isn't valid here. I say Jihad shouldn't be valid ANYWHERE.
You say Jihad only allows fighting among soldiers. What is a soldier? Any person who calls himself a soldier. Such a philosophy is RIPE for abuse, as has been proven. Tuesday, and MANY times in the past.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
These are conditions that have only existed in states under seige such as Israel (it is stardard policy for all ElAl flights to include at least one trained marksman).
Oh yes. It is much better to support the Palestinians, who dance in the street celebrate the death of thousands of people, and threaten the death of several foreign news correspondents that if footage of the celebrations is released, they will be executed. Or perhaps you ment we should support the ones whos nationals attacked us (with the terrorists holding United Arab Emerates and Egyptian passports). Or perhaps you ment we should support the ones who called for our death, like Saudi Arabian national Osama Bin Ladin, or Iraq president Sadam Husein.
Or perhaps you ment that if we don't deal with the rest of the world we wouldn't have to deal with this. Oh yes, I'm sure there isn't a world economy or marketplace. Sticking our head in the sand worked so nicely for the Ostrich.
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